Guild Wars 2

In my opinion it was a huge mistake to take dwarfs out of a fantasy games.
I know technically they are still there but after the great ritual
they are transformed and defeated the Great Destroyer they are fighting the destroyer left overs forver in the depths of Tyria.

I guess this would have been epic for the waiting time for China
to open up the ancient Deldrimor Area and experience an epic story.

Helping the dwarfes defeating the destroyer mops and getting back to former appearance and shape finding and using ancient magic.
Giving them hope to retake Deldrimor and rebuild their former glory and monuments.

It would have been an easy fix for A-Net.
Story is already written, models are already made map is already there.
A new race would be introduced without any efford to offer a even deeper product.

Dear A-Net this would have been the right way to interact with you already existing customers while opening a huge new market.
Just ignoring customers because they are already there to gain new ones is
not the right way to do that.
I completely understand people who are kittened off.
The smallest things you could do is communicate.
we don’t expect much but a word here and there what is planned for the future or what the crew is working on would be much appreciated.

How comes Star Trek Online has a separate section for developer blogs with future plans, present work they are on and existing things they have an eye on.
These guys release a new world wide season every 8-12 Month.
Including new races and permanent contend.
This is like China every 8 Month.

Is it really that difficult to write a note like “no new dungeons until winter” or “opening Deldrimor this summer” or “we closely watch zerker mops”………..
just something.
We don’t even expect a time frame.
We just want to experience that WE, the North American and European customers are not forgotten and still exist and are not a file under a table leg to preventthe table from wobbling.

You seems to be under the impression that the dwarves simply fight leftovers down there.
That is not the case. They are directly fighting the minions of an Elder Dragon (Primordus) and they will keep coming as long as said Elder Dragon is active.

It has also been made very clear that the transformation is permanent.
They are stuck in that form until they are killed.

The very first sentence you post is also the exact reason why we don’t have playable dwarves. Because more or less every other game does, and why must all games be identical when it comes to the races?

You also show rather clearly that you have no clue whatsoever about how development work, and seems to be under the impression that they could just put a fully playable race into the game with a few hours work.

The reason for why we don’t get any long-term information is the fault of these forums.
As soon as ArenaNet says anything about something people here will take that as an absolute set in stone promise and will spam, threaten and hate on ArenaNet if something changes.

We already know what is coming.
Living Story Season 2.
We also know where we are headed, Maguuma.

lordkrall.7241:

You seems to be under the impression that the dwarves simply fight leftovers down there.
That is not the case. They are directly fighting the minions of an Elder Dragon (Primordus) and they will keep coming as long as said Elder Dragon is active.

It has also been made very clear that the transformation is permanent.
They are stuck in that form until they are killed.

The very first sentence you post is also the exact reason why we don’t have playable dwarves. Because more or less every other game does, and why must all games be identical when it comes to the races?

You also show rather clearly that you have no clue whatsoever about how development work, and seems to be under the impression that they could just put a fully playable race into the game with a few hours work.

1. So you are saying the Borg and Star Destroyers belong into a fantasy game and Dwarfs not ?
I like Dwarfs, they belong into the mountains because of their mining abilities.
Just because other games have some means i can’t ???

2. They don’t fight Elder Minions anymore. They killed the Great Destroyer who was the Minion of Primordus.
I just pointed out we could help them to clean up and rebuild.

3. I never said playable race. What i said was we help out and they populate Deldrimor again. I don’t even want them playable. They would ad so much more depth to the game

4. Yes the transformation is permanent for Dwarf understanding. A nice way to circumvent it would be the gods from Cantha. We did them a great favor with beating Shiro out of the gods realm. We even turned into gods for a short time to enter their realm. Now its their turn to help out.
They would be powerful enough to reverse the Dwarf transformation since it was a mortal Dwarf ritual.
Just a little creativity would help.

I don’t know, it looks like i ask for horrible things here.
Creativity and some contend against the stream of Button2 zerking events.
Same with Cantha, A-Net almost reacts allergic to Cantha related questions.

1: That is not what I said. And the dwarves quite clearly DOES exist in the game, and they might very well belong. But having them playable as more or less every single other MMO isn’t really needed.

2: The Destroyers ARE minions of Primordus, the Great Destroyer was a Champion (akin to the Shatterer, Claw of Jormag and Tequatl). Destroyers are created by and follow Primordus or one of its champions.

3: Hm, then I missunderstood all that talk about adding a new race to the game (there already is at least one dwarf that does play a rather large part in the game).

4: The gods of Cantha that we helped weren’t really gods. The gods they have are the same as Tyria, the entities we did help however was envoys, and I doubt they have the power to reverse godlike beings (the Great Dwarf) power. We were never turned into gods. We got the blessing of the Five Gods, nothing more, nothing less. The only one being turned into a god (and that was permanent) was Kormir.

It was not a mortal Dwarf transformation, it was bestowed upon them by the Great Dwarf, which is basically (as far as we know) a god itself.

New content is nice, but why not make it new content, rather than trying to shoehorn in something from GW1 that clearly goes against what was told in Guild Wars 1?

Kurrilino.2706:

A new race would be introduced without any efford to offer a even deeper product.

Errm…

I like the dwarves as well. But IMHO, they have a much more interesting storyline right now and having them become playable characters would not work lore-wise. They are fighting Primordius and his Destroyer minions. They lost the sense of being mortal and have become one with Deldrimore and are immortal. But that does not mean we will never see them again. If and when we ever get to fight Primordius, I’m sure we will be working side by side with them if there is any left. If you really like Dwarves… the closest you are gonna get are the Norns. Though they are huge… they have similar personalities as dwarves in other stories. Plus… I’ve never seen a dwarven female in GW1…. or … have I…..?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?

I’m sorry OP, but both of your posts simply reek of biased opinion and lack of lore understanding. Dwarves have no necessity as a playable race in the GW games, not only from a solid lore standpoint (which I would rather have elaborated upon than changed), but as already stated they’re over done. Having the dwarves suddenly undo the Rite of the Great Dwarf through some deus ex machina just because “new playable race” would not only undermine core story and history, as well as the impact of past events in GW1, it would be about as out of place in GW2 as adding Elves and saying they were always there, but the Sylvari coming into their homes drew them out", or having Scarlet come back from the dead and take over Halloween this year.

As to any mention of STO, considering their player population has been hemorrhaging since day one, it’s rapidly become one of those MMOs you wonder how it’s still running, kinda like Anarchy Online. Beyond this, it’s not fair to compare the actions of different games released under different development mantras. ANet wants a living world, one where, short of a small, sparsely detailed release article now and then, a full blown dev diary would ruin by systematically killing hype and story as the devs constantly reveal spoilers just so the masses know “we’re 50% done with the Cantha entry arc, so hey, big surprise, Cantha.”

Back to “dwarves not fitting”, haven’t you noticed that the archetypical fantasy race roles have been filled with notably distinct, though hauntingly familiar, races? Humans are the core familiarity pin, but Sylvari fill the role of the traditional nature-aligned elves, Asura fill the intellectual gnome slot, Norn take the typical belching, drunk, loud, polytheistic/ancestor/spirit worshiping hardy dwarves, and Charr are, to an extent, the emerging archetype set by the industrious, adaptive, survivalist goblins. To me, filling the archetypes with new races is vastly superior; pulling out the digital 3D printer and churning out an established race is like adding zombies because “everything’s better with zombies.” On that note, I honestly hope the Tengu never make it; they’re established. I’d much rather see a race such as Skritt or Hylek elevated, through living story, to a more prominent position in the world.

Did you guys even read what i wrote ??

The point of the thread was that A-Net would be better off with letting us explore
a little new piece of the map until they have China figured out.

I didn’t even mention a playable race. Just something little and new to keep us busy while China is finished.
The dwarfs has been mentioned because i like them and in Fantasy world there would be a way to get them out of their stone ritual.
If you guys have some other idea just write it down.
Some skeletons and the Crystal desert would also be very nice.

But geeezzz… instead bringing something to the table a bunch of lawyers coming in why the Dwarf ritual can’t be returned and we have been god or semi gods in Cantha.
This is exactly what destroys GW2 for so many people.
Instead an open mind or creativity people have to listen to what is not possible only.
You guys really need a motivation coach or something

I absolutely don’t see any harm or insult in giving us a little bit to do until they are done with China.

You are aware that a new piece of the map is very far from a “little thing” right? It would most likely take months to create it, if it was going to be anything other than Southsun, which most people seems to hate.

Saying that removing the ritual because it is a fantasy world is rather silly as well. There are extremely many different fantasy worlds and styles.
I can’t wave a stick in GW2 and shout Avada Kedavra and instantly kill anyone for example, same as how I can put on a magic ring and go invisible in Game of Thrones.

You are overall either completely ignoring, or simply don’t understand, how much work a new map would take.

Kurrilino.2706:

This is exactly what destroys GW2 for so many people.
Instead an open mind or creativity people have to listen to what is not possible only.

Imma get in on this too.

I think a large part of why you’re suggestions are being shot down are because they show an inconsistent or incomplete understanding of the events of GW1 and GW2. It is important to maintain canon within a fictional setting as much as possible in order to create any sense of realism or permanence in the world. Wanting to preserve that is not being “closed-minded.” I truly doubt that protecting the integrity of the lore is “destroying” the game.

The idea of introducing a story arc involving the dwarves is a good one. As another poster suggested, they will almost certainly be involved in the battle against Primordius when it rolls around. However, Anet is currently very occupied with the China release. New content takes time and resources, and this would be new content. The idea that they could simply drag-and-drop maps and models from GW1 to a totally separate game is simply wrong. An existing concept does not mean existing resources. A new map would have to be built from the ground up, new story written, new voice acting recorded, new models built and animated, new events coded; the list goes on and on. It’s would be great as an eventual future release, but you really are trivializing the amount of work required for any new content.

I am pretty sure it wouldn’t destroy the lore if any god or killed dragon has the power to reverse the dwarf ritual.
Beside that i can guarantee you that the maps are already created and they just appear blurry to us.
No company would be stupid enough to leave everyhting empty just to figure out what to do later.

Anyways…. i learned that opening a new part of the map is a very bad thing
and absolutely nobody would enjoy it.
On top we better let the game die than exploring new ways of a story and we better protect the spare time of A-Net employees.
i guess it is easier anyways to turn every landscape into white background and all monster into black blocks plus we can delete any story to not touch past lores.
This way every expansion is easy and the people who run in groups and push #2
buttons doesn’t realize whats going on around them anyways.
Win-Win situation…

Kurrilino.2706:

Beside that i can guarantee you that the maps are already created and they just appear blurry to us.
No company would be stupid enough to leave everyhting empty just to figure out what to do later

Are you serious?

panzer.6034:

Kurrilino.2706:

Beside that i can guarantee you that the maps are already created and they just appear blurry to us.
No company would be stupid enough to leave everyhting empty just to figure out what to do later

Are you serious?

IKR? This isn’t just well-crafted trolling, is it?

In this game (and Elder Scrolls) they are dead or “buried”. Move along.

HyruleanHyroe.1473:

panzer.6034:

Kurrilino.2706:

Beside that i can guarantee you that the maps are already created and they just appear blurry to us.
No company would be stupid enough to leave everyhting empty just to figure out what to do later

Are you serious?

IKR? This isn’t just well-crafted trolling, is it?

I think he’s never gone void jumping and seen the end of the map… there is absolutely nothing there. It is a flat nothing. The maps are not already created. The OP clearly does not understand how the game works.

i would like to see dwarfs in GW2 and it might even work lore-wise, sadly the OP started the thread the wrong way.

I quote GW2 wiki here .

-The dwarves are a !!!near!!!-extinct race of short, stout humanoids made of stone, that once inhabited the Shiverpeak Mountains. They act as guardians of the Depths of Tyria, fighting the minions of Primordus and denying them passage to the surface. As such, few are ever seen

- !!!!!!Few lived to return to the surface and tell the tale of their victory!!!!!

-No longer interested in maintaining their solidarity as a race, these last dwarves scattered across Tyria, finding battles to fight in the deep caverns or !!!!!making new homes in far-flung hills!!!!!

-Regarding to Ogden Stonehealer, who is still alive and still present in GW2 Durman Priory: …………….. !!!!!!!!!!Like all who have undergone the Rite of the Great Dwarf, he has been transformed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This indeed proofes that not all Dwarfs have undergone this rite.
And it is almost safe to say that the Stone Summit did not go with
with the Deldrimors.
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Can someone explain me why the heck it would be against the fluff to meet some Dwarfs ?? They even appeared in a fight against Zaithan
Seriously……… Did you guys even read their story ??

Yes they are rare. But not all of them followed into battle.
Just think of Woman and children. They have survivors who didnt do the rite.
This could be a wonderfull start for a campain. Let’s help them to find back to their homes or at least give them a reason to go back home.
Let us explore the Far Shiverpeaks once again.
Even if most of them turned into stone. Let’s have an epic journey to give them a chance to live again.

All that as a mini campain with dwarfes as NPC’s until A-Net is done with China.
Is it really such a horrible idea?

Kurrilino.2706:

I quote GW2 wiki here .

-The dwarves are a !!!near!!!-extinct race of short, stout humanoids made of stone, that once inhabited the Shiverpeak Mountains. They act as guardians of the Depths of Tyria, fighting the minions of Primordus and denying them passage to the surface. As such, few are ever seen

- !!!!!!Few lived to return to the surface and tell the tale of their victory!!!!!

-No longer interested in maintaining their solidarity as a race, these last dwarves scattered across Tyria, finding battles to fight in the deep caverns or !!!!!making new homes in far-flung hills!!!!!

-Regarding to Ogden Stonehealer, who is still alive and still present in GW2 Durman Priory: …………….. !!!!!!!!!!Like all who have undergone the Rite of the Great Dwarf, he has been transformed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This indeed proofes that not all Dwarfs have undergone this rite.
And it is almost safe to say that the Stone Summit did not go with
with the Deldrimors.
————————————————————————————————————————

Can someone explain me why the heck it would be against the fluff to meet some Dwarfs ?? They even appeared in a fight against Zaithan
Seriously……… Did you guys even read their story ??

Yes they are rare. But not all of them followed into battle.
Just think of Woman and children. They have survivors who didnt do the rite.
This could be a wonderfull start for a campain. Let’s help them to find back to their homes or at least give them a reason to go back home.
Let us explore the Far Shiverpeaks once again.
Even if most of them turned into stone. Let’s have an epic journey to give them a chance to live again.

All that as a mini campain with dwarfes as NPC’s until A-Net is done with China.
Is it really such a horrible idea?

The problem is, you have selective reading. “The dwarves are a !!!near!!!-extinct race of short, stout humanoids made of stone.” this is an entirely accurate statement. Every single dwarf is made of stone now, even the women and even the stone summit; Ogden is stone as well.
Not to mention, it’d be pretty weird to play as a near extinct race. to see at least half a million players with a dwarf character, kind of wouldn’t make sense.

As the above poster has pointed out. EVERY SINGLE DWARF HAS TURNED TO STONE. Ogden was the last to hold out, but the dwarves HAD to undergo the rite.
They’re now focused solely on destroying Promordius and his minions. Yes it is probably that we will encounter them later on, but they will never be playable and the rite is irreversible.

A Massive Headache.1879:

The problem is, you have selective reading. “The dwarves are a !!!near!!!-extinct race of short, stout humanoids made of stone.” this is an entirely accurate statement. Every single dwarf is made of stone now, even the women and even the stone summit; Ogden is stone as well.
Not to mention, it’d be pretty weird to play as a near extinct race. to see at least half a million players with a dwarf character, kind of wouldn’t make sense.

That last statement is also my top argument why Largos shouldn’t become a playable race either. A seclusive race that few have ever seen, up until they become playable and suddenly you have half a million Largos running all over Tyria.

Dwarves are dead, Largos are few (you’d expect) and shunning contact with land-dwellers. Both would require a ludicrous amount of retconning to make them playable.
My 2 pence are on either Tengu or Kodan or something new Anet come up with depending on where an expansion introducing a new playable race takes us.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

As the above poster has pointed out. EVERY SINGLE DWARF HAS TURNED TO STONE. Ogden was the last to hold out, but the dwarves HAD to undergo the rite.
They’re now focused solely on destroying Promordius and his minions. Yes it is probably that we will encounter them later on, but they will never be playable and the rite is irreversible.

what about deserters, a group of dwarfs who spit on tradition and left the siverpeak to build their own society.
so with that, not all dwarfs are turned to stone because there could be some who did not undergo the rite.

see, it works in lore, just think of a common situation and adjust it to fit a different world order.
it’s not the best way, not in the slightest, but it is a way that works.

sorudo.9054:

what about deserters, a group of dwarfs who spit on tradition and left the siverpeak to build their own society.
so with that, not all dwarfs are turned to stone because there could be some who did not undergo the rite.

see, it works in lore, just think of a common situation and adjust it to fit a different world order.
it’s not the best way, not in the slightest, but it is a way that works.

As far as I understand the rite, they didn’t really have much choice in the matter.
They could resist it for a while, but sooner or later they would all turn to stone.
Ogden didn’t turn to stone until after Eye of the North (where most (all?) other did) after all, but he is stone now nonetheless.

Azure Fang.8605:

, it’s rapidly become one of those MMOs you wonder how it’s still running, kinda like Anarchy Online.

I still play it (afaik it still turns a profit and a new engine and content are due this year!!)

On topic though, I’d love to play a dwarf, but it wouldn’t make sense now being what they have become. We could help them fight destroyers later down the line though – Ogden is still around to make that link for us

The rite didn’t happen all at once, I believe it was the movement of the world that said the Stone Summit, evil dwarves, had to undergo the rite eventually, but that most certainly didn’t happen during eye of the north. Actually, I forget if the stone summit were inherently evil, they did enslave dredge but now they’re doing that to themselves, or if they were just deeply territorial. I’ll have to look it up.

Dondarrion.2748:

A Massive Headache.1879:

The problem is, you have selective reading. “The dwarves are a !!!near!!!-extinct race of short, stout humanoids made of stone.” this is an entirely accurate statement. Every single dwarf is made of stone now, even the women and even the stone summit; Ogden is stone as well.
Not to mention, it’d be pretty weird to play as a near extinct race. to see at least half a million players with a dwarf character, kind of wouldn’t make sense.

That last statement is also my top argument why Largos shouldn’t become a playable race either. A seclusive race that few have ever seen, up until they become playable and suddenly you have half a million Largos running all over Tyria.

Dwarves are dead, Largos are few (you’d expect) and shunning contact with land-dwellers. Both would require a ludicrous amount of retconning to make them playable.
My 2 pence are on either Tengu or Kodan or something new Anet come up with depending on where an expansion introducing a new playable race takes us.

I hate to agree with you on the largos, because they are so neat in appearance. My money is on tengu, with hylek being a fever dream. I can’t imagine trying to work armor for them

sorudo.9054:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

As the above poster has pointed out. EVERY SINGLE DWARF HAS TURNED TO STONE. Ogden was the last to hold out, but the dwarves HAD to undergo the rite.
They’re now focused solely on destroying Promordius and his minions. Yes it is probably that we will encounter them later on, but they will never be playable and the rite is irreversible.

what about deserters, a group of dwarfs who spit on tradition and left the siverpeak to build their own society.
so with that, not all dwarfs are turned to stone because there could be some who did not undergo the rite.

see, it works in lore, just think of a common situation and adjust it to fit a different world order.
it’s not the best way, not in the slightest, but it is a way that works.

No it doesn’t. They PHYSICALLY could not resist the rite. Every single Dwarf felt compelled to undergo it, even the Stone Summit who were the enemies of the Deldrimor Dwarves in GW1. It was not something they could resist. Ogden held out as long as possible to give information to the players of GW2, but that’s it. They HAD to undergo the rite, it wasn’t something they had a choice about. This is an entire race sacrifcing themselves in order to try and save the world from a threat they had faced before and knew how catastrophic it would be if they didn’t try and do something. If Anet were to go back on that it would be ridiculous and would require a massive retcon.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

sorudo.9054:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

As the above poster has pointed out. EVERY SINGLE DWARF HAS TURNED TO STONE. Ogden was the last to hold out, but the dwarves HAD to undergo the rite.
They’re now focused solely on destroying Promordius and his minions. Yes it is probably that we will encounter them later on, but they will never be playable and the rite is irreversible.

what about deserters, a group of dwarfs who spit on tradition and left the siverpeak to build their own society.
so with that, not all dwarfs are turned to stone because there could be some who did not undergo the rite.

see, it works in lore, just think of a common situation and adjust it to fit a different world order.
it’s not the best way, not in the slightest, but it is a way that works.

No it doesn’t. They PHYSICALLY could not resist the rite. Every single Dwarf felt compelled to undergo it, even the Stone Summit who were the enemies of the Deldrimor Dwarves in GW1. It was not something they could resist. Ogden held out as long as possible to give information to the players of GW2, but that’s it. They HAD to undergo the rite, it wasn’t something they had a choice about. This is an entire race sacrifcing themselves in order to try and save the world from a threat they had faced before and knew how catastrophic it would be if they didn’t try and do something. If Anet were to go back on that it would be ridiculous and would require a massive retcon.

let me walk you trough this, this is what is said about the dwarfs:

" It is said all dwarves who participated in invoking the Great Dwarf’s power to battle the Great Destroyer were turned to stone. Are there dwarves then who are not stone out in the world somewhere still (assuming then there were some dwarves who did not participate)? If so, how are interactions between them and their stone brethren?
Ree: All of the dwarves eventually participated in the ritual. There are no non-stone dwarves in Tyria. "

in tyria, who ever said there are no dwarfs in the rest of the world.
and no, he never ever said tyria as the world so it’s easy to see this as tyria as in the content.

another point:
" The Rite of the Great Dwarf, sometimes referred to as “the Rite,” is the ritual performed by King Jalis Ironhammer, utilizing the Hammer of the Great Dwarf and the magic hidden within. It is the key component in the event that would become known as the Dwarven Transformation, where the Deldrimor Dwarves were turned into living stone in order to fight off the Great Destroyer and its spawn. "
deldrimor dwarfs, again who ever said there are no other dwarfs in the world, a different kind of dwarf could’ve bin somewhere in the world not deldrimor.

and to show the full picture:
" The exact origins of the dwarven race is unknown, but their legends claim that the Dwarves were forged by their god, the Great Dwarf, on Anvil Rock in the Northern Shiverpeaks. Over time the dwarves laid claim to the Shiverpeak Mountains, forming the Deldrimor nation. Though they traded with the human nations and were on generally good terms, the dwarves largely kept to themselves. "
a line that shows that even Anet has absolutely no idea where the dwarfs came from nor are they sure if a different kind of dwarf exists.

sorudo.9054:

snip

Tyria is the name of the world as well.

And Ree did mean Tyria as the world. All the Dwarves are stone, it would be bad storytelling for Arenanet to introduce Dwarves that weren’t.

Also given that we are unlikely to go to areas in GW2 that were not explored in GW1 (at least not for a very long time) we are limited to the familiar areas of Tyria, Cantha and Elona – and in travelling these continents the only place we encountered Dwarves was Tyria. The Asura come from underground and don’t appear to have any knowledge of the Dwarves, which rules out Dwarves hiding underground.

There are no dwarves that aren’t stone, get over it.

A) The rite has undergone by Jalis and his Deldrimor Dwarfs.
The Stone Summit would be the absolutely last guys to help them out.
Especially after the humeans helped the Deldrimors.

B) The rite had to be accepted. It’s not like any Dwarf on any part of the planet in any hidden cave suddenly turned into stone.

c) I always pointed out it should be NPC’s !!!!!!!!!!!!! I never said playable race.

D) Helping the Dwarfs to clean up downstairs and rebuild their Stuff upstairs would be epic and million times better than LS zerker fests.
I understand that the majority of this game are teens and they couldn’t care less about story or lore being happy to push #2 buttons. But it must be allowed for the rest of the GW population to make them self being heard.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

And Ree did mean Tyria as the world. All the Dwarves are stone, it would be bad storytelling for Arenanet to introduce Dwarves that weren’t.

Also given that we are unlikely to go to areas in GW2 that were not explored in GW1 (at least not for a very long time) we are limited to the familiar areas of Tyria, Cantha and Elona – and in travelling these continents the only place we encountered Dwarves was Tyria. The Asura come from underground and don’t appear to have any knowledge of the Dwarves, which rules out Dwarves hiding underground.

There are no dwarves that aren’t stone, get over it.

"""""""It is said all dwarves who participated in invoking the Great Dwarf’s power to battle the Great Destroyer were turned to stone"""""""""

What part of that don’t you understand ?
I highly doubt they turned Woman, Children or Farmer who are essential for a race
to multiply and create food sources support into stone.

Under how many mountains in Elona and Cantha have you been ??
How do they mine their metals or gems ??
I haven’t seen any. Having weapons and gold tells me there must be some mining though.

How people deny the Dwarfen race with even written down that not all of them did the rite is far beyong me.

Ok, now I would just like to point one thing out … or rather ask … in which game have you seen, or played, a dwarf that was made of stone? My experience with MMORPG’s is most likely very limited compared to some of you out there, so maybe someone else came across this already, but it would surely not be “common”.

Yes, I think it would be a nice side-arc or some sort of “personal” story addition. I would definitely be interested in seeing it. However, I think the dwarves will have to get in line and if at all it will be likely years down the road …

Kurrilino.2706:

A) The rite has undergone by Jalis and his Deldrimor Dwarfs.
The Stone Summit would be the absolutely last guys to help them out.
Especially after the humeans helped the Deldrimors.

B) The rite had to be accepted. It’s not like any Dwarf on any part of the planet in any hidden cave suddenly turned into stone.

c) I always pointed out it should be NPC’s !!!!!!!!!!!!! I never said playable race.

D) Helping the Dwarfs to clean up downstairs and rebuild their Stuff upstairs would be epic and million times better than LS zerker fests.
I understand that the majority of this game are teens and they couldn’t care less about story or lore being happy to push #2 buttons. But it must be allowed for the rest of the GW population to make them self being heard.

The Stone Summit WERE Deldrimor Dwarves. They had recently broken away from the other Dwarves because they disagreed with them, but they were still Deldrimor Dwarves…

Yes the rite had to be accepted, but it wasn’t something they could entirely resist. “Ogden did not initially undergo the Rite, although eventually all dwarves were made to—by force, if necessary.”
“I am the last of the dwarves. Most of my people have gone down into the depths of Tyria to fight the Elder Dragon Primordus. I have remained here to help the Priory.”
That’s pretty conclusive…

They are all part of a collective consciousness now, their only aim is to destroy Primordius. We will obviously encounter them when we go off to fight Primordius, but they cannot turn back from Stone and their minds have basically been destroyed.

The Dwarves don’t need to multiply anymore, their race decided that killing Primordius was more important than them living on as a race. If all the men have turned to stone what use would the women staying fleshy do? There would be no men to continue the race with. Also if women and children HAD stayed fleshy then we would have encountered them. They lived in the Shiverpeaks after all. They couldn’t survive underground for the same reason the Asura had to come to the surface. They could not have migrated north for the same reason the Norn had to migrate South into what used to be Dwarven land. The dwarves are gone. They’re all either dead or turned to stone.

Yeah, at this point is just people wanting dwarves to be more prevalent having selective reading and saying the same thing. This thread may as well be locked.

But in short, dwarves will be seen more when we fight primordius. They are all stone.

A Massive Headache.1879:

sorudo.9054:

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Tyria is the name of the world as well.

aaaaand another that can’t read……PLEASE read the post before just snipping it, you might have a kick from not looking ridicules like you do right now.

sorudo.9054:

A Massive Headache.1879:

sorudo.9054:

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Tyria is the name of the world as well.

aaaaand another that can’t read……PLEASE read the post before just snipping it, you might have a kick from not looking ridicules like you do right now.

Ok, and this thread really may as well get closed then. Dwarves were exlusively in the shiverpeaks, and there are no nonstone dwarves in all of planet tyria. Glad we solved this

Kurrilino.2706:

"""""""It is said all dwarves who participated in invoking the Great Dwarf’s power to battle the Great Destroyer were turned to stone"""""""""

What part of that don’t you understand ?
I highly doubt they turned Woman, Children or Farmer who are essential for a race
to multiply and create food sources support into stone.

Under how many mountains in Elona and Cantha have you been ??
How do they mine their metals or gems ??
I haven’t seen any. Having weapons and gold tells me there must be some mining though.

How people deny the Dwarfen race with even written down that not all of them did the rite is far beyong me.

It is explicitly stated by both Ree Soesbee via an old interview and Ogden Stonehealer in-game that eventually all dwarves underwent the Rite of the Great Dwarf. And according to Ogden Stonehealer, this happened within 50 years of Eye of the North – it wasn’t immediately, but each and every dwarf underwent the rite. So the first line is not wrong, but it is not fully accurate as it doesn’t state the full truth of every dwarf having undergone the right.

Dwarves were a Tyrian (continent) race. They weren’t under Elona and Cantha.

How do they mine their metals and gems? Simple. They don’t anymore.

But you see, all of them did undergo the rite. And this is something you seem to be missing. First performing the Rite of the Great Dwarf triggered something in the minds of each and every dwarf alive, and this drove them to cease their infighting (thus finally bringing an end to the Stone Summit/Deldrimor conflict) and – within 50 years (which is not even 1/8th of dwarven lifespan) drove them to undergo the rite and go underground to fight Primordus. The Rite basically created a compulsion in every single dwarf still living to undergo the rite. This includes the Stone Summit – which is why in Dredgehaunt Cliffs, the Priory members state that the Stone Summit returned to Deldrimor before going underground (this is said around Granite Citadel – SE corner of the map).

Ree Soesbee is also saying like already mentioned…..

The exact origins of the dwarven race is unknown, but their legends claim that the Dwarves were forged by their god, the Great Dwarf, on Anvil Rock in the Northern Shiverpeaks

If i assume the god created the dwarfs on purpose and not by accident i don’t see any reason why he couldn’t do it again……
A being so powerfull to create a whole race from nothing is powerfull enough to reverse the rite.
Northern Shiverpeaks are still there and so is Anvil Rock.
so let’s go discover what is needed and lead the dwarfs back to glory.

I assume the people will argue now this is not possbile and Ree is a liar.
But i stick with my opinion because the opposite argues are so flawed
that i have the reason to believe they never read anything about the dwarfs and their god.

One thing you seems to be missing is the fact that the fight between the Great Dwarf and the Great Destroyer is a major part of the dwarven legend, which might very well suggest that the dwarves were specifically created in order to battle Primordus.

Which would basically mean that if the Great Dwarf could just create more dwarves at will he could just create a billion dwarves and destroy Primordus in a week. So why haven’t he?

None of us are arguing that Ree is a liar. She’s basically the queen of the lore… We’re arguing that you are taking what she has said and twisting it to an extreme. Can I ask if you ever actually played GW1 in its entirety?

A Massive Headache.1879:

sorudo.9054:

A Massive Headache.1879:

sorudo.9054:

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Tyria is the name of the world as well.

aaaaand another that can’t read……PLEASE read the post before just snipping it, you might have a kick from not looking ridicules like you do right now.

Ok, and this thread really may as well get closed then. Dwarves were exlusively in the shiverpeaks, and there are no nonstone dwarves in all of planet tyria. Glad we solved this

lol, where does it state they are exclusively in the siverpeak?
no really, i love to see the sources you get your info from, i have looked everywhere on the internet about anything “exclusive” dwarfs related but you might have a source somewhere that officially states what no one else knows.

sorudo.9054:

A Massive Headache.1879:

sorudo.9054:

A Massive Headache.1879:

sorudo.9054:

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Tyria is the name of the world as well.

aaaaand another that can’t read……PLEASE read the post before just snipping it, you might have a kick from not looking ridicules like you do right now.

Ok, and this thread really may as well get closed then. Dwarves were exlusively in the shiverpeaks, and there are no nonstone dwarves in all of planet tyria. Glad we solved this

lol, where does it state they are exclusively in the siverpeak?
no really, i love to see the sources you get your info from, i have looked everywhere on the internet about anything “exclusive” dwarfs related but you might have a source somewhere that officially states what no one else knows.

The dwarves were created in the shiverpeaks and did not expand out of the shiverpeaks, that is, until they ALL underwent the rite and became stone. After which, they went further underground as well, to battle primordius.

A Massive Headache
’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’The dwarves were created in the shiverpeaks and did not expand out of the shiverpeaks, that is, until they ALL underwent the rite and became stone. After which, they went further underground as well, to battle primordius’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’Ok, and this thread really may as well get closed then. Dwarves were exlusively in the shiverpeaks, and there are no nonstone dwarves in all of planet tyria. Glad we solved this’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
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Please just stop you make yourself looking stupid….
I quote Ree again:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Many years ago, far to the south, in Cantha, relics of a mysterious race, possibly an offshoot of the Deldrimor dwarves, were uncovered in the Aurios Mines of the Jade Sea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How you people can argue they never left the Shiver Peaks is far beyond me.
This has nothing to do with selective reading.
It is written that Deldrimors have been in Cantha.
And no i don’t make this up, this is Rees writing…… and i really believe she left an open end on purpose.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

None of us are arguing that Ree is a liar. She’s basically the queen of the lore… We’re arguing that you are taking what she has said and twisting it to an extreme. Can I ask if you ever actually played GW1 in its entirety?

And again Quote:
’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’Many years ago, far to the south, in Cantha, relics of a mysterious race, possibly an offshoot of the Deldrimor dwarves, were uncovered in the Aurios Mines of the Jade Sea’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

Another thing i bring up is:
’’’’’’’’’’’’Tyria is a continent in the world of the same name. The geography of the continent ranges from the dense jungles of the Maguuma, to high mountains of the Shiverpeak Mountains’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
- Elona, also known as the Land of the Golden Sun, is a continent southeast of Tyria.
- Cantha, also known as the Empire of the Dragon, is a vast empire located to the southwest of Tyria, across the Unending Ocean
’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

That proofes that they talk about Tyria as Tyria the continent when talking about dwarfs.
Yes, i played GW1 since realease and still play it since many years.
All expansions all bosses everything.
It is this experience mixed with actually reading about Dwarfs that makes me believe the Dwarfs doesn’t have to be gone forever.
Even more when the Great Dwarf left Tyria to go down into the underworld Forge
to remain there.
He is the creating god, it is easy for him to reverse or create new Dwarfs from there.

it would make absolutely no sense having a god, creating his dream race, watch them kinda die and walking away. I guess he just thought “to bad it didn’t work out with my dwarfs. I will never touch them again. Next time i will try Unicorns with 10 feet”

Kurrilino I could say the same thing to you.
The word relic is used to describe something left over from an earlier time, meaning that they were no longer in Cantha at all – hence why we saw no Dwarves there. If they had been underground the Dredge who had recently started burrowing in would have come across them, and the Dredge were ESCAPING the Dwarves after having been enslaved by the Stone Summit during the events of Sorrow’s Embrace.

It is SUGGESTED that there MAY have been Dwarves in Cantha AT ONE TIME. It also says “A mysterious race” and “possibly offshoots of the Deldrimor Dwarves”. That suggests that they may not even be dwarves. The suggestion that they may be offshoots of the Deldrimor Dwarves isn’t conclusive either, if the only Dwarves that Tyrian historians were aware of were Deldrimor, then of course they might hypothesise a connection between the two. That does not mean a connection exists. It is equally possible, following Ree’s comment, that the Dwarves originated in Cantha and migrated to the Shiverpeaks either by boat or by digging.

TO summarise – It is only SUGGESTED that they MIGHT have been in Cantha.

I would also like to point out that the comment you’ve quoted comes from the prehistory part of the wiki. It’s entirely possible that the relics were left over from the previous dragon rise where maybe a group of Dwarves left the others to try and seek refuge in Cantha. It doesn’t even come close to suggesting that those Dwarves would be able to avoid the Rite.

Not to mention, if those Dwarves in Cantha WERE Deldrimor Dwarves as the quote seems to hypothesise, then they would have been subject to the Rite of the Dwarves as well, and would have turned to stone – though the fact that only relics were left suggests they died a long time ago.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Kurrilino I could say the same thing to you.
The word relic is used to describe something left over from an earlier time, meaning that they were no longer in Cantha at all – hence why we saw no Dwarves there. If they had been underground the Dredge who had recently started burrowing in would have come across them, and the Dredge were ESCAPING the Dwarves after having been enslaved by the Stone Summit during the events of Sorrow’s Embrace.

It is SUGGESTED that there MAY have been Dwarves in Cantha AT ONE TIME. It also says “A mysterious race” and “possibly offshoots of the Deldrimor Dwarves”. That suggests that they may not even be dwarves. The suggestion that they may be offshoots of the Deldrimor Dwarves isn’t conclusive either, if the only Dwarves that Tyrian historians were aware of were Deldrimor, then of course they might hypothesise a connection between the two. That does not mean a connection exists. It is equally possible, following Ree’s comment, that the Dwarves originated in Cantha and migrated to the Shiverpeaks either by boat or by digging.

TO summarise – It is only SUGGESTED that they MIGHT have been in Cantha.

I would also like to point out that the comment you’ve quoted comes from the prehistory part of the wiki. It’s entirely possible that the relics were left over from the previous dragon rise where maybe a group of Dwarves left the others to try and seek refuge in Cantha. It doesn’t even come close to suggesting that those Dwarves would be able to avoid the Rite.

Not to mention, if those Dwarves in Cantha WERE Deldrimor Dwarves as the quote seems to hypothesise, then they would have been subject to the Rite of the Dwarves as well, and would have turned to stone – though the fact that only relics were left suggests they died a long time ago.

I have a hard time to believe that people find some leftover in a mine don’t know what it is and just say " well lets call it Deldrimor"
If someone suspects it’s Deldrimor it is because there is evidence to make them think
it could be them.

What i try to say is…….
Having written Deldrimors are or have been in Cantha is a proof that they never left the Shiverpeaks is incredible rediculous.

I refuse to close the door on Dwarfs coming back just because people are use to Borgs with laser guns.
I am just tired of teen story telling and dumbing the game down so that every kid who can’t even handle easiest math can play this beautifull game

’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’The Rite basically created a compulsion in every single dwarf still living to undergo the rite. This includes the Stone Summit’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

Is this your personal opinion ????
The records say crystal clear
""""""""""Duncan the Black. After Duncan’s death, the remnants of the Stone Summit scattered and it is unclear what became of them. """""""""""""
If these scattered tribes were coming back to fight it would be in the records instead saying it is unclear what became of them

Having Dwarves doesn’t change how you perceive the story. It’s not going to suddenly make the storyline more ‘adult’….

The records clearly state that even the stone summit underwent the rite…

You’re quoting the wiki, it’s not an official source because most of what is written on their has been written by players. The only exception is when there is a footnote that shows where the information was sourced from. We have quite clearly been told that all of the Deldrimor Dwarves as well as the Stone Summit, who were a subset of the Deldrimor Dwarves, underwent the rite.

It’s not my personal opinion, it is fact – fact that is IN GAME, rather than just on the wiki which anyone can write on.

Kurrilino, please stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is a teenager with no interest in the lore. Those who are arguing against you are very much concerned about the lore, which is why they are trying to correct your faulty understanding of it.

On an unrelated note, if you are going to insult peoples’ intelligence, kindly work on your grammar, spelling, punctuation, and language usage first. Thanks.

I thought it was later explained those dwarven relics were brought by the dredge. There was that whole dredge event, and for some reason i thought it was explained there.

i have a hard time taking someone serious who spams the " everywhere, it only shows the ridicule more then anything.