Guild Wars 2

…on the side of tedious.

I remember there being a conversation for this game a billion years ago about the difference between boring and tedious and what level of boring is acceptable for grind and when do things become so tedious that they’re no longer fun. And I think some of the achievements around Ember Bay err on the side of tedious.

It’s not that these things are impossible, but just that the repetition in design in them crosses over that line from interesting/challenging-but-doable over to doable-but-YAWN.

Examples include

• running Ember apples to Hal
• the Mursaat Tokens requiring a person to wait for the Dominator event to pop over and over, especially if you want to enjoy using the clues to find the tokens yourself instead of mindlessly following Dulfy
  *several other things on the map also needing the Dominator event (I’ve seen this Dominator event waaaaaay too often)
• several other things needing other events to happen first…there’s a lot of waiting on this map
• the jumping puzzle’s general design (which actually I didn’t find to be too bad, but then my husband and I dual-mesmer any hard JP’s, so they’re probably more doable for us than for the average person)
• the fact that the Mursaat token achievement clues are in random order, not arranged by area, so you have to comb the list over and over
• ETA: “I’m Rubber: You’re Destroyer”; otherwise I liked the instanced stuff a lot

I don’t think these things should be done away with, but that they could be implemented in a way that’s less tedious, where you’re playing more and looking at menus or Dulfy less, or waiting for events to start/complete, or not having to go to the same area over and over and over again. It feels like the map was designed to elongate play time without actually offering a lot of entertainment.

With the I’m rubber, you’re Destroyer achievement, it counts any destroyer that dies while in the fire circle caused by the bomb, so you can progress this achievement quite quickly if you delay killing the DoH. The fire doesn’t stick around for long though so you have to be ready to burst them down.

I think we need more tedious achievements, its boring to finish everything in 2-3 evenings.

I assume this is why they reduced the Meta from 26 to 23. You can get away with skipping a bunch of stuff. Of course it’s also not going anywhere so you have until the end of time to unlock it all.

I only know of one thing requiring the Dominator event, and that is accessing the Mastery Point in the lava. I don’t know of any tokens being locked behind it, or anything else for that matter.

I very much dislike the JP. I have done every JP, and I enjoy them greatly, especially the hard ones, but that’s because they’re generally intuitive. It is obvious where you’re supposed to go from jump to jump. There is nothing at all intuitive about Ember Bay. There are multiple completely blind jumps that you have to make, at least one of which has to be perfect or else you practically have to start over. This is not a good puzzle or a fun experience.

Kal Spiro.9745:

I only know of one thing requiring the Dominator event, and that is accessing the Mastery Point in the lava. I don’t know of any tokens being locked behind it, or anything else for that matter.

The mastery point requires Jade not Dominator and even that one you can just slightly cheese it by standing on the ledge.

The dominator kill gives you updrafts which you can take to get the tokens up higher (3-4 at least) as well as the tunnel which shoots you up to 2 more tokens and a POI.

fishball.7204:

Kal Spiro.9745:

I only know of one thing requiring the Dominator event, and that is accessing the Mastery Point in the lava. I don’t know of any tokens being locked behind it, or anything else for that matter.

The mastery point requires Jade not Dominator and even that one you can just slightly cheese it by standing on the ledge.

The dominator kill gives you updrafts which you can take to get the tokens up higher (3-4 at least) as well as the tunnel which shoots you up to 2 more tokens and a POI.

Ah, I see. I misunderstood. It’s at least possible to get all those from the top of the JP… though I’d rather to Dominator than the EB JP.