Guild Wars 2

The real question is why are unused tickets worth something but representation buttons worthless?

It’s a bizarre twist and there’s nothing fair about turning trash into gold, after most will have destroyed or used it for it’s only advertised purpose.

Good luck to ANet trying to make any future elections work. They’re going to have more than voter apathy to deal with, after setting this precedent.

@TooBz. Save your breath. If Galen can’t see how this is unfair, then they are a lost cause.

I know what can make this at least somewhat fair. Those that collected tokens but never used them to vote (not a single one) should not get the benefit of the perk (discount waypoint travel) and not be able to gain entry to the dungeon.

TurtleofPower.5641:

The real question is why are unused tickets worth something but representation buttons worthless?

Because after Kiel won, she doesn’t give a kitten about her supporters anymore. All she cares is the seat.

Ya I do not understand why the tickets are worth something but the buttons aren’t. But TY Anet for the 1+ gold I got this morning on selling my leftover tickets. I did use over a hundred to vote but got bored after a while so just started saving them in my bank. I’m glad I didn’t delete… though I thought about it. I’m learning that in GW2 sometimes what appear to be useless items can get you a lot of coin (TY also for dragon coffers… cha-ching!). I agree with Raire, too. I think they will get no votes next time, as everyone will just keep the tickets. This really makes no sense at all. Who is in charge in that place??

Deamhan.9538:

@TooBz. Save your breath. If Galen can’t see how this is unfair, then they are a lost cause.

I know what can make this at least somewhat fair. Those that collected tokens but never used them to vote (not a single one) should not get the benefit of the perk (discount waypoint travel) and not be able to gain entry to the dungeon.

Don’t agree with you on the last part. It’s not my fault Anet did something silly. Why should I be punished for saving 100 out of 200 voting tickets? It’s not like we knew in advance they would pay us for leftovers.

I almost deleted my leftovers last night as I expected them to just sit there taking space afterwords. I think I decided to jsut leave them for a bit and if I did I will be happy to have a couple extra gold for it. Though I feel 1s each is very excessive, 40c each would have been better so that 1 stack (250) = 1g.

AntiGw.9367:

It’s perfectly fair. People that voted got their candidate’s win as a reward.

Everyone else can sell their stuff for some pocket change.

Except the people who deleted their tickets assuming they’d be worthless like every other one (both voters and non-voters), and the ones didnt get their election win.

Just another odd, silly thing ANet has done against itself.

The buttons are worthless because you can’t vote with them. Clearly Evon is buying up all the tokens so a batch of them can be mysteriously found after he demands a recount.

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

AntiGw.9367:

It’s perfectly fair. People that voted got their candidate’s win as a reward.

Everyone else can sell their stuff for some pocket change.

Except the people who deleted their tickets assuming they’d be worthless like every other one (both voters and non-voters), and the ones didnt get their election win.

Just another odd, silly thing ANet has done against itself.

They shouldn’t have been so hasty.

Silly hobbits.

Yes, and thanks to ANet not telling us about this change, I deleted hundreds of tokens yesterday since they were “useless.”

Ugh.

Just Ugh.

AntiGw.9367:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

AntiGw.9367:

It’s perfectly fair. People that voted got their candidate’s win as a reward.

Everyone else can sell their stuff for some pocket change.

Except the people who deleted their tickets assuming they’d be worthless like every other one (both voters and non-voters), and the ones didnt get their election win.

Just another odd, silly thing ANet has done against itself.

They shouldn’t have been so hasty.

Silly hobbits.

Please cite the precedence for this change and what would have made ANY player think they should hold onto the tokens.

AntiGw.9367:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

AntiGw.9367:

It’s perfectly fair. People that voted got their candidate’s win as a reward.

Everyone else can sell their stuff for some pocket change.

Except the people who deleted their tickets assuming they’d be worthless like every other one (both voters and non-voters), and the ones didnt get their election win.

Just another odd, silly thing ANet has done against itself.

They shouldn’t have been so hasty.

Silly hobbits.

Well, to be fair, most event collectibles have been useless for the major part unless otherwise stated (for achievements or crafting materials).

Aside from maybe a handful of people, if that, Noone really expected these tokens to be useful for anything either post their living story event. And Noone would have really been bothered if they left the, they way they normally did – something to be deleted.

It’s not really worth the QQ, but like I said, it’s just something that’s 100% pointless. There’s advantages to it, sure, but it’s have been easier just to have left them the way they were.

Lessons for next time though, I guess.

So yesterday I went up to the ship to see if I could dump the 500 tokens from my vault into a ballot box but the boxes were closed. So I thought about deleting them when this little tiny voice whispered to me to “wait until after the patch”. I am so glad I listen to voices in my head! And people think I am crazy!

Edit: Just sold them for over 5 gold total.

Lesson learned—-will not participate next time. Making all the representation buttons sellable would be a nice way to make up for , what I see as either a serious oversight or a glaring mistake. I am sure someone at Anet could comment on this situation. It would be appreciated.

Hickeroar.9734:

Please cite the precedence for this change and what would have made ANY player think they should hold onto the tokens.

Giving things like Candy Corn/Zhaitaffy value after their respective festivals were over?

Ursan.7846:

Hickeroar.9734:

Please cite the precedence for this change and what would have made ANY player think they should hold onto the tokens.

Giving things like Candy Corn/Zhaitaffy value after their respective festivals were over?

Zhaitaffy was another example of a flueky item that offered no visible immediate benefit in keeping, barring the sugar rush buff (which is also pointless unless they bring back the old achivement from hw1). Candy corn is a crafting material.

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Zhaitaffy was another example of a flueky item that offered no visible immediate benefit in keeping, barring the sugar rush buff (which is also pointless unless they bring back the old achivement from hw1). Candy corn is a crafting material.

Well yea, but regardless of how you’re classifying them it’s stuff you earned from a previous festival that was near worthless, and Anet suddenly making it more valuable than previously. There is a precedence for them taking an item and making it much more valuable than before.

Ursan.7846:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Zhaitaffy was another example of a flueky item that offered no visible immediate benefit in keeping, barring the sugar rush buff (which is also pointless unless they bring back the old achivement from hw1). Candy corn is a crafting material.

Well yea, but regardless of how you’re classifying them it’s stuff you earned from a previous festival that was near worthless, and Anet suddenly making it more valuable than previously. There is a precedence for them taking an item and making it much more valuable than before.

Again, no, that’s not the case because value was already ascribed to it in the case of candy corn. It was listed as a crafting material for Runes of the Mad King. So holding onto it meant in the long term you could use them. There were also other uses, to be fair.

Zhaitaffy, baring the single achievement, had one use, and that was for farming your tray to the holowings. So again, there was still a case of prescribed value there for immediate usage.

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Ursan.7846:

Hickeroar.9734:

Please cite the precedence for this change and what would have made ANY player think they should hold onto the tokens.

Giving things like Candy Corn/Zhaitaffy value after their respective festivals were over?

Zhaitaffy was another example of a flueky item that offered no visible immediate benefit in keeping, barring the sugar rush buff (which is also pointless unless they bring back the old achivement from hw1). Candy corn is a crafting material.

You can still use Zhaitaffy to buy the food buffs and the holographic dragon wings. The vender is still in LA.

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Again, no, that’s not the case because value was already ascribed to it in the case of candy corn. It was listed as a crafting material for Runes of the Mad King. So holding onto it meant in the long term you could use them. There were also other uses, to be fair.

Zhaitaffy, baring the single achievement, had one use, and that was for farming your tray to the holowings. So again, there was still a case of prescribed value there for immediate usage.

The end result is still the same. There’s tons of people who sold Candy Corn the months between Halloween and Zephyr Sanctum for like 5c., and couldn’t cash in on it when it jumped to 20c when the update hit. People lost potential money because they didn’t hoard.

This is the precedent I’m talking about. Anet suddenly giving items value much greater than what it was previously, leading to people losing out potential gold if they didn’t not hoard. Whatever you think or however you want to categorize Candy Corn/Zhaitaffy, it still does not change this fact.

Ursan.7846:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Zhaitaffy was another example of a flueky item that offered no visible immediate benefit in keeping, barring the sugar rush buff (which is also pointless unless they bring back the old achivement from hw1). Candy corn is a crafting material.

Well yea, but regardless of how you’re classifying them it’s stuff you earned from a previous festival that was near worthless, and Anet suddenly making it more valuable than previously. There is a precedence for them taking an item and making it much more valuable than before.

I think you need to look up the definition of precedence. There are clear and obvious reasons why those things are completely different than this.

Astral Projections.7320:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Ursan.7846:

Hickeroar.9734:

Please cite the precedence for this change and what would have made ANY player think they should hold onto the tokens.

Giving things like Candy Corn/Zhaitaffy value after their respective festivals were over?

Zhaitaffy was another example of a flueky item that offered no visible immediate benefit in keeping, barring the sugar rush buff (which is also pointless unless they bring back the old achivement from hw1). Candy corn is a crafting material.

You can still use Zhaitaffy to buy the food buffs and the holographic dragon wings. The vender is still in LA.

LOL good luck with that. You can spend hundreds of gold on enough Zhaitaffy….or you can spend 5g on the TP and buy a set of wings. Same goes for the food in equal quantities.

Astral Projections.7320:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Ursan.7846:

Hickeroar.9734:

Please cite the precedence for this change and what would have made ANY player think they should hold onto the tokens.

Giving things like Candy Corn/Zhaitaffy value after their respective festivals were over?

Zhaitaffy was another example of a flueky item that offered no visible immediate benefit in keeping, barring the sugar rush buff (which is also pointless unless they bring back the old achivement from hw1). Candy corn is a crafting material.

You can still use Zhaitaffy to buy the food buffs and the holographic dragon wings. The vender is still in LA.

Thank you for proving my point :v

Let this be a lesson to you ANet. Try to throw a bone to people who got Support Tokens after the vote deadline? Skritt people off.

Stop being nice unless you’re going to have someone on staff asking, “Who is this going to anger?”

Ursan.7846:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

Again, no, that’s not the case because value was already ascribed to it in the case of candy corn. It was listed as a crafting material for Runes of the Mad King. So holding onto it meant in the long term you could use them. There were also other uses, to be fair.

Zhaitaffy, baring the single achievement, had one use, and that was for farming your tray to the holowings. So again, there was still a case of prescribed value there for immediate usage.

The end result is still the same. There’s tons of people who sold Candy Corn the months between Halloween and Zephyr Sanctum for like 5c., and couldn’t cash in on it when it jumped to 20c when the update hit. People lost potential money because they didn’t hoard.

This is the precedent I’m talking about. Anet suddenly giving items value much greater than what it was previously, leading to people losing out potential gold if they didn’t not hoard. Whatever you think or however you want to categorize Candy Corn/Zhaitaffy, it still does not change this fact.

No, again, it is completely different, and really this is the last time ill say it because you’re obviously not understanding anyway. With the support tokens, you couldn’t do anything with them but put them in the respective ballot boxes.
With zhaitaffy, you can still use them to buy stuff. Efficient? So cares. Doesn’t change the point. Same with candy corn. You can go craft your runes and stuff. And there was always a prescribed value or use. But with the tokens, once you were done with the achievements you’d use them for, there was NOTHING you could do with them but delete them. So all they would do is sit there doing nothing.

And the things is, you can’t sell your tokens that have been voted. You can only sell the unvoted ones. Which means the less you participated, the better profit you make really, assuming you didn’t destroy them in the first place.

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

No, again, it is completely different, and really this is the last time ill say it because you’re obviously not understanding anyway. With the support tokens, you couldn’t do anything with them but put them in the respective ballot boxes.

You’re annoyed that you lost out on potential gold because of a change in value of an item. In which case, the delta is the important value which is causing you consternation, not the absolute value where it started/ended up in.

If support tokens were 1s each previously, and suddenly became 10s ea to sell after the patch, I guarantee you the exact same complaints will occur.

The exact same thing happened previously. Candy Corn has uses, yes, but a significant portion of the players sold them off at 5c during the months between Halloween/Zephyr Sanctum. Look at gw2spidy and the fluctuating prices of Candy Corn: People were still selling it during those periods of time. These players lost potential gold when prices of Candy Corn hiked to 20c following the ZS patch. This is a precedence for players losing potential gold for not hoarding due to Anet unpredictably increasing value of something.

I understand that you’re trying to make a distinction due to the fact that Support Tokens were valueless before. But again, this absolute value doesn’t matter, only the change does (and what upsets people). Because again, if they had a value of 1s before but changed to 10s following the patch, the same complaint will pop up.

Ursan.7846:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

No, again, it is completely different, and really this is the last time ill say it because you’re obviously not understanding anyway. With the support tokens, you couldn’t do anything with them but put them in the respective ballot boxes.

You’re annoyed that you lost out on potential gold because of a change in value of an item. In which case, the delta is the important value which is causing you consternation, not the absolute value where it started/ended up in.

If support tokens were 1s each previously, and suddenly became 10s ea to sell after the patch, I guarantee you the exact same complaints will occur.

The exact same thing happened previously. Candy Corn has uses, yes, but a significant portion of the players sold them off at 5c during the months between Halloween/Zephyr Sanctum. Look at gw2spidy and the fluctuating prices of Candy Corn: People were still selling it during those periods of time. These players lost potential gold when prices of Candy Corn hiked to 20c following the ZS patch. This is a precedence for players losing potential gold for not hoarding due to Anet unpredictably increasing value of something.

I understand that you’re trying to make a distinction due to the fact that Support Tokens were valueless before. But again, this absolute value doesn’t matter, only the change does (and what upsets people). Because again, if they had a value of 1s before but changed to 10s following the patch, the same complaint will pop up.

Sorry but no. The value of candy corn and taffy going up after the drops stop is quite obvious and anyone with any economic sense would be able to foresee it.

What’s also different is their TP value going from 1s to 10s after they stop dropping for people and their vendor trash value being changed from 1s to 10s by a patch. The former would warrent little to no complaint while the latter most certainly would. As much so as it is now, to be sure.

There was no way to foresee ANet giving these items a monetary value. Never has ANet suddenly given a worthless (in a monetary sense) event item value. Since it has never happened before, there was no reason to think it would happen this time.

Would have been nice to gotten a freaking heads up after the results were up. If they are going to do something like this they should have warn to possibly hold on to what seemed like a waste of space after the results.

Deamhan.9538:

There was no way to foresee ANet giving these items a monetary value. Never has ANet suddenly given a worthless (in a monetary sense) event item value. Since it has never happened before, there was no reason to think it would happen this time.

The difference being this time the Support tokens had a monetary value.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Support_Token

The issue being that I would doubt ANet had a good way to differentiate remaining tokens bought with gold vs those from drops. (Yes, transactions may be logged, but once in inventory, they are the same).

So, from this perspective it looks like a refund for a now defunct item.

I was at the voting area after the votes had been tallied. I couldn’t place any more votes for buttons, which I thought were going to let me continue working towards one of the minis, but apparently not. At any rate, I figured I should probably be able to sell the tokens to the guy who would sell them for gold, but even he didn’t want them. So, with no apparent use left and a full bank, I destroyed them. I’m not sure why they couldn’t have patched in the ability to sell to a vendor at the same time they closed voting. And I really don’t know why the buttons were not given any value, now that they can’t be used to continue progressing towards achievements.

Minor annoyances, but considering how hard of a time I used to have getting gold, I would’ve been pretty kittened off as a newbie destroying a couple stacks of these with no apparent use for them.

Deamhan.9538:

Sorry but no. The value of candy corn and taffy going up after the drops stop is quite obvious and anyone with any economic sense would be able to foresee it.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/36041

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/43319

How is the value of Candy corn shooting up from ~8c to ~22c, or Zhaitaffy shooting up from ~4c to ~12c on the Zephyr update quite obvious?

Anet did something unpredictable. Things became suddenly significantly more valuable as a result. People lost out on potential money due to not hoarding.

Which is why I hoard everything. I hoarded my candy corn and cashed out on the Zephyr update. I hoarded my support tokens, and I’m going to cash out on it too because I was aware of precedents Anet set for me. It’s unfortunate that you apparently don’t see it that way and lost out on some potential gold, but I definitely think the fact that they did stuff with Candy Corn warrants me hoarding everything.

@Mourningcry: I really hope that is not a link to how much it cost to buy them from the vendor. I’m on my work’s network and some links get blocked.

If it is then that is a straight up facepalm. I was refering to sale value for which there wasn’t one as they couldn’t be sold or traded on TP.

Is it really necessary to have to spell these things out?

@Ursan: Why is it quite obvious? I’m not about to spell out market pricing and value placed on time for you.

this is yet another thread showing people will complain just about anything. GW vets should no better. Anet has pulled stunts like this for years. move along

I seriously can’t believe you guys are this angry over it.

Deamhan.9538:

@Ursan: Why is it quite obvious? I’m not about to spell out market pricing and value placed on time for you.

It’s not obvious. The Zephyr Sanctum update wasn’t obvious. There was no way to predict Candy Corn jumping to ~22c in the Zephyr update. Please explain to me, how without knowing about the Zephyr update, you thought was obvious Candy Corn was going to hit 22c (especially with Halloween in 2 months?)

I feel like there’s a disconnect here. I’m not talking about Candy Corn gradually appreciating in price due to the sheer fact that it’s supply is limited. Not everybody values the minimum amount of “profit” one can obtain by slowly awaiting Candy Corn’s value to rise over time when judged against 1. the storage they take and 2. the time it takes to appreciate. Many of these people sold Candy Corn cheaply during the months between Halloween/Zephyr, since it’s taken about 9 month to go from ~4c to ~9c. That prices will gradually increase known and obvious, but not many people actually bothered and constantly sold their off their Candy Corn (as evidenced by the fact that candy corn was being sold in this time period. Sell/Buy orders are constantly changing as can be seen on spidy.)

But the irrelevant to that fact, Candy Corn shot up in price during the Zephyr update because Anet suddenly made it tradable for desirable Sanctum Supply Boxes. Anet made a sudden, unpredictable change which made something worth much more. This is a fact. Or are you trying to argue that without the ZS update, Candy Corn would still hit the ~22c range?

Deamhan.9538:

@Mourningcry: I really hope that is not a link to how much it cost to buy them from the vendor. I’m on my work’s network and some links get blocked.

If it is then that is a straight up facepalm. I was refering to sale value for which there wasn’t one as they couldn’t be sold or traded on TP.

Is it really necessary to have to spell these things out?

No need to facepalm…

While there is no explicit sale value, as I stated in an earlier post, each token had an intrinsic value of one vote. As that a person who may have purchased a token could no longer redeem that value, a refund wouldn’t be unheard of.

And though I don’t really care if that’s the reason, it’s an entirely viable one which would validit Anet’s actions.

Mourningcry.9428:

No need to facepalm…

While there is no explicit sale value, as I stated in an earlier post, each token had an intrinsic value of one vote. As that a person who may have purchased a token could no longer redeem that value, a refund wouldn’t be unheard of.

And though I don’t really care if that’s the reason, it’s an entirely viable one which would validity Anet’s actions.

Heh, this makes a lot of sense.

Pity the implementation was really poorly thought out.

Ursan.7846:

Heh, this makes a lot of sense.

Pity the implementation was really poorly thought out.

Yep… a simple “Golden Support Token” to differentiate the purchased ones may made a difference.. Who knows. I’m just happy I didn’t sell my votes as I originally hoped

This is totally wrong! I demand that Arenanet explain why those that didnt bother to participate in the story line are rewarded with in game currency, yet those that supported Areanet in the events are left holding useless tokens.

Poister.6175:

This is totally wrong! I demand that Arenanet explain why those that didnt bother to participate in the story line are rewarded with in game currency, yet those that supported Areanet in the events are left holding useless tokens.

Well, since you demanded, I’m sure we’ll get a response any second now.

Where were you 3 pages earlier? You could have saved us all some time…..

This really wouldn’t kitten me off as much if the tokens hadn’t gone from completely worthless to worth more per stack than most exotics in a matter of HOURS.

The title is actually misleading. It should have read “everyone who did not vote more than once and that kept their tokens earned cash”. I voted about 10 times for the candidate of my choice, enough to get the buttons, and vaulted the rest. Nowhere did it say you had to vote 500 plus times for a candidate so although I did make money selling the remaining tokens I had I DID participate in the story line.

Let me get this straight… your given 100’s of voting tokens, yet you use only a fraction to actually bother to vote, and you call that participating? The mind boggles!

Poister.6175:

Let me get this straight… your given 100’s of voting tokens, yet you use only a fraction to actually bother to vote, and you call that participating? The mind boggles!

Yep. Where I come from you are allowed to vote only once for the candidate of your choice. It went against the grain to even vote the ten times that I did but I needed the rep buttons.

So yes I did participate and yes I got the achievements done.

Did you actually think the more you voted the more reward you would receive? The mind boggles!

Xodus.7802:

you can sell the support tokens to the npc for 1.1s each. this is totally unfair to everyone who took part in the event and rewarding those who didnt. anet should sent everyone 1.1s for every token they used to keep it balanced.

Last night I trashed a stack of tokens, figuring they served no further purpose. /sigh

I have it on good knowledge that you would rather “fill out silly forms than play the game” … if you care about the candidate and what they represent you would use all your votes to give them a better chance of winning … so no you did not participate.

Poister.6175:

I have it on good knowledge that you would rather “fill out silly forms than play the game” … if you care about the candidate and what they represent you would use all your votes to give them a better chance of winning … so no you did not participate.

Oh and you did participate because you:

[x] were gullible enough to plug all your tokens into a ballot box believing you would get a larger reward

[x] were foolish enough to delete any extra tokens rather than waiting one day for the patch

[x] read silly forms someone filled out on the net so you can QQ rather than play the game

oo Lets resort to personal insults to prove I’m right . Oh dear
.

Poister.6175:

oo Lets resort to personal insults to prove I’m right . Oh dear
.

Not insulting you at all. Just pointing out the absurdity of your statement that just because I did not plug all of my tokens into the box that somehow I did not participate in the story line. Nowhere in the story line did it state that you had to vote as many times as possible for the candidate of your choice. You voted enough times to get the buttons you required to complete the achievements by “representing” the candidate of your choice in your travels through Tyria.

If you are that sure that the story line was all about plugging a ballot box 500 times then I think you missed the story line!

Edited to add: If you were correct in your assumption that you had to plug ALL your tokens into a ballot box then by your way of thinking someone who only collected 10 tokens and put them all in did not participate as much as someone who collected 1000 and put them all in even though both people put all their tokens into a box. Or to put it another way if I collected 100 tokens and put them all in and you had 1000 and only put in 500 who participated more?