@ Raire:
I suppose you are a staunch supporter of dragonite for fractals?Not sure what you mean, but they can bury the place in my unused dragonite for all I care. ;P
What I mean is the following:
In order to realistically do lvl 50 fractals you need an AR of 70.
There are 2 ways to obtain this. One is done running fractals, it would appear. But there is a catch. In order to get there with what fractals provide assuming you level strait up from level 1, you will have to spend 1600g (and change) on the TP/crafting materials from npc vendors. If you want the maths behind that number, I can provide them, just say so.
You will also need 110 laurels. And roughly 350 globs of ectoplasm for example. And a few other drops I just presumed them to be lucky enough get along the road.
If you want to factor in armor or weapon chest drops, those are incredibly rare and will in most cases not deliver the statistics your looking for, forcing you to either use subpar statistics or go through the ordeal described above. So I didn’t enter them in my consideration, but I already was generous with ring rewards, coagulated mist items and similar in favor of the player. Which is actually by no means a given.
Fun fact, since Agony infusions have a current maximum of +16 (if the wiki is correct), you can’t actually get to 70 only using gold/fractal drops. You will need the laurels or dragonite ore, which brings me to the second option.
The alternative is to venture outside of fractals and do open world content, namely meta event world bosses because they deliver dragonite ore which is needed to craft ascended armor and/or weapons. And crafting these ist expensive as hell either way.
So fractal players have been forced to spend hilarious amounts of gold or spend a almost equally hilarious amount of gold and venture into open world pve. Something a lot of them despise at least to an equal measure as you seem to despise doing fractals.
Given that this has been the state of things for quite some time now, I don’t think it is surprising, that a lot of fractal regulars can’t understand why 5 lvl 1 fractals are such a huge deal.
So, quoting you about forcing people to cross-over gameplay, I presumed that you were someone in support of the plight of fractal runners in regard to the acquisition of dragonite ore.
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I consider it an action to exclude people and show no respect for what they want to do with their time. I personally have little issue with exclusive rewards for different aspects of the game (so long as they’re aesthetic), but this cross-over garbage makes me angry. If ANet wanted this to be a Fractals reward, the process should have began and ended in Fractals, and not included something with a unique function.
I know ANet and their stauncher fans like to present it as positive encouragement, but to me it’s an imposition that I simply won’t tolerate.
I’m actually an advocate of allowing people to play the game the way they like and I understand that “we have to do something we hate, so why shouldn’t they too” is not really a good argument.
But I think it puts some of the comments that doing 5 fractal runs is no big deal into a different perspective compared to what fractal runners have to go through.
Btw. I don’t say that this is the only motivation for people to say “why not do those measily 5 fractal runs?”. Just an easily understood reason for some of those comments, I believe.
That’s why I asked you wether you were a supporter of dragonite through fractals.
In the end, we will have either to abide by Arenanet’s policy in the matter or choose to play a different game or do without something we would like to have/do.
I’ll offer you a compromise: Be vocal about getting your mists stone via a different route, maybe even the mentioned dragonite ore. And in addition be vocal about changing the rewards for fractals to include dragonite ore, or at least allowing fractal runners to trade their excess relics for dragonite ore.
That way you and the fractal crowd have something to agree to.
A common cause is always better anyway.
I for one would much appreciate having another method to get a Mist Stone. Reason for this would be since we are dealing with DDosing over the past couple of days. I have not been able to put a group together to even start a fractal run. It gets annoying to know to get a relic is an one time a day thing when you cannot predict that the sever will be shutdown
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I’m actually an advocate of allowing people to play the game the way they like and I understand that “we have to do something we hate, so why shouldn’t they too” is not really a good argument.
But I think it puts some of the comments that doing 5 fractal runs is no big deal into a different perspective compared to what fractal runners have to go through.
Btw. I don’t say that this is the only motivation for people to say “why not do those measily 5 fractal runs?”. Just an easily understood reason for some of those comments, I believe.That’s why I asked you wether you were a supporter of dragonite through fractals.
In the end, we will have either to abide by Arenanet’s policy in the matter or choose to play a different game or do without something we would like to have/do.
Ah, I see. Personally, I’ve long settled on not doing things [in games] that I don’t enjoy, even if that does mean going without or walking away. I once tried an “if you can’t beat them, join them approach”, when the GW1 community was divided over “Eye of the North”. It was viewed by some as a few hours of actual content, padded out with rank grinding and HoM trophy hunting. I eventually buckled down – did all the ranks, acquired all the destroyer weapons, a silly number of armors and trudged through the blasted dungeons. I can’t say I looked back on the six months or so of grinding fondly. Whatever it is that “work” seems to add to games for some, just never seems to trigger in me. I won’t do it again.
I also don’t think it’s very good for the devs if we just accept (and do) whatever they put in front of us. We’ve heard time and again that they pay a lot of attention to “the metrics” and there’s a certainly a perception that they never actually listen, borne out by Mike O Brien’s need to post and argue otherwise.
So if I complain about the current LS reward approach, but go and run the 5 Fractals, and maybe buy some gems – what does ANet take from that? I think they pay more attention to numbers, so in that case my actions would put me in the “this project was a win” blob of data, despite being on the brink of walking away from the game.
So I’ll complain, I’ll not do the content and I’ve funded “Belinda’s Greatsword” with gold (it’s not like I have an expensive new backpiece to spend it all on).
I’ll offer you a compromise: Be vocal about getting your mists stone via a different route, maybe even the mentioned dragonite ore. And in addition be vocal about changing the rewards for fractals to include dragonite ore, or at least allowing fractal runners to trade their excess relics for dragonite ore.
That way you and the fractal crowd have something to agree to.
A common cause is always better anyway.
Sounds like a good idea to me!
Well after reviewing the list of ascended backpieces on the wiki, now I get it. I guess ascended backpieces are mainly supposed to be a fractal-centered item.
That’s an understandable conclusion, if you looked at a page like this one:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mystic_Forge/Equipment#Backpieces
But most of those back items have alternate (non-fractal) recipes now (you just have to click on each backpiece page to see them). The only real exception has been the Fractal Capacitors, but I, for one, am perfectly happy with that arrangement.
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what would have been nice to know that fractals would be required before spending 3 weeks making two thirds of an item.
Choice makes customers happy, social engineering to push people into things they do not enjoy does not.
Sad to see after being away from gw2 for a while the “no soup for you” attitude is still alive and strong.
Ever gone fishing? You hide the hook with bait, after all what fish in their right mind would bite down on an obvious hook? Once the fish bites the hook sets and it’s too late then … I just woke up, the fishing metaphor was the best I could do
I don’t mind a little social engineering, it’s not necessarily a bad thing and it happens all the time but at least usually it’s not so glaringly apparent. When you don’t notice it, it doesn’t bug you as much, but when you do notice it’s annoying in the extreme. That is when you get resistance, that is when you get customer dissatisfaction.