Guild Wars 2

So we have seen lots of interesting lore discussion regarding the relationship of the elder dragons with the balance of the eternal alchemy. Now I’m wondering if Glint’s Egg will have a place in this equation. Since there are 6 dragons that seem to balance out the eternal alchemy we can get the sense that Mordremoth has been in balance with Zhaitan and now that Zhaitan is dead, the world is out of balance.

From random dialogue I recall from the Zephyrite Sanctum a while back, an asura was pointing out the similarities between the aspects of the zephyrites and the eternal alchemy of the asura. This led to the belief that the zephyrites held a basic view on the eternal alchemy possibly on a more mystical level than the asura.

If the dragons are linked to the balance of the eternal alchemy, we can possibly assume that the death of Zhaitan breaks the balance of the world. The zephyrites seemed to strongly believe in the balance of the aspects and the world; as soon as the mordrem started to cause imbalance in the world, the Master of Peace seemed to head directly to Glint’s lair and acquire a dragon egg.

Could it be possible that the dragon hatchling is meant to replace Zhaitan in the balance of the eternal alchemy, bringing balance back into the world? These are my thoughts and speculations on the matter.

(Edited to add a better image and reference the page I got it from)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/lwd/Is-this-true-Arena/first#post4538572

It would take many millennia for the baby to grow to that kind of power and why would they take it to nearer an existing dragon?

Ogden said that the egg was going somehwere “safe”. My suspicion is that wherever that place is, that is the more significant feature than the egg/baby dragon itself

I wonder if dragons would mature at a faster rate depending on how much magic they consume. If so, perhaps the dragon could develop at a much faster rate if it were brought to a source of Tyrian ley lines (if such a place exists.)

I get the feeling that we’re going to eventually defeat Mordremoth, but we don’t kill it because the Master of Peace comes in with last-minute explanations about how we don’t want to disrupt the balance of the world any more and to just let the defeated dragon go back into the depths. Time heals all wounds as the expression goes, and the time between dragon awakenings might be enough time for a dragon hatchling to replace a dead elder dragon to balance the world. (Maybe with proper guidance, Glint’s hatchling would develop into a good dragon in a similar fashion to the development of the pale tree’s morality and harmony with other races).

If the egg can be hatched, it will be valued as a source of Forgotten knowledge that can help the races of Tyria to battle the Elders. Glint knew the dangers of her actions, and her progeny will retain that knowledge, as well as the knowledge of the Forgotten. If we hatch it, the battle to destroy it will spur the Elders to hold few punches in battle. But those puches they hold will be exceptional.

Where has it been stated that a hatched dragon has the knowledge of its parent? I don’t think that if the egg hatches it will tells us anything about the past or how to deal with the elder dragons, becasue it’s simply a baby dragon. Unless i’m mistaken, i haven’t read anywhere of knowledge being transferred by birth. It’s likely it will have the same powers as glint, but i don’t see it becoming a source for wisdom. (atleast not straight after having hatched)

I think that it’s more of a way of leading us to an important location.

What I want to know is simple. What happened to Glimmer?

Ogden says it’s the last egg, but we already had a perfectly healthy baby dragon hatch in GW1. We protected it from harm during Glint’s Challenge. Unless something happened to the little tyke (named Glimmer by someone else on the GW Guru forums), she should still be around. 250 years older, of course, but still a toddler by dragon standards.

We’ve already got a baby oracle dragon. Why are we hatching another?

Shriketalon.1937:

What I want to know is simple. What happened to Glimmer?

Ogden says it’s the last egg, but we already had a perfectly healthy baby dragon hatch in GW1. We protected it from harm during Glint’s Challenge. Unless something happened to the little tyke (named Glimmer by someone else on the GW Guru forums), she should still be around. 250 years older, of course, but still a toddler by dragon standards.

We’ve already got a baby oracle dragon. Why are we hatching another?

It died 250 years ago whilst my character farmed his destroyer gloves. At least that was what usually happened….

Shriketalon.1937:

What I want to know is simple. What happened to Glimmer?

Ogden says it’s the last egg, but we already had a perfectly healthy baby dragon hatch in GW1. We protected it from harm during Glint’s Challenge. Unless something happened to the little tyke (named Glimmer by someone else on the GW Guru forums), she should still be around. 250 years older, of course, but still a toddler by dragon standards.

We’ve already got a baby oracle dragon. Why are we hatching another?

The egg being the last remaining one, doesn’t exclude the possibility of glimmer still being alive. The reason why the egg is being protected if glimmer is indeed still alive, could simply be that, to protect it. All others were destroyed, i’m assuming when kralky came and killed glint. Maybe it was even Glimmer who handed the master of peace the egg, one egg it managed to save and he gave to the zephyrites to keep it safe.

There’s really a lot of questions surrounding the egg, who handed it to the amster of peace and what its “purpose” is if it ahs one at all. But i’m fairly sure we’ll find out soon enough

Randulf.7614:

It would take many millennia for the baby to grow to that kind of power and why would they take it to nearer an existing dragon?

Ogden said that the egg was going somehwere “safe”. My suspicion is that wherever that place is, that is the more significant feature than the egg/baby dragon itself

As Thanatos said, the rate at which dragons gain power might be related to the availability of magic rather than age. A hatchling might be able to grow power REALLY quickly if fed on, say, the corpse of a dead Elder Dragon such as Zhaitan.

Regarding the importance of the egg… like people have said, being the last egg doesn’t mean that it’s siblings are dead, and its siblings being alive doesn’t mean that having another child of Glint be born safely would be a bad thing (better than the magic already in the egg being used for ill, certainly!), particularly if we’re ultimately looking to replace ALL the elder dragons and there might not otherwise be enough Glintlings to achieve this. That, said, I have speculated another possibility that makes the egg much more important.

I’m only seeing one problem with all of this….
Wouldn’t any baby dragon need to be taken to the Crystal Desert so the Forgotten can block its mind from the Elder Dragon, like they did for Glint so many centuries ago in Arah?

That happened in Arah, not the Crystal Desert.

Beyond that… it depends on what is and isn’t inherited. Glint’s children may have inherited her immunity from the Forgotten ritual. Or they may have inherited neither her immunity nor her connection to Kralkatorrik – so they’re just as susceptible to corruption as anything else, but as yet have no links with Kralkatorrik or any of the other Elder Dragons.

I think that the possibility of Glint getting reincarnated through her last egg is there. It looked as if the last egg was given to the Master by someone considerably taller than him, and i assume it is Glint’s child from GW1, “Glimmer”. So, why should a single egg have such an importance? Is Glimmer dead by now? Were there other hatchlings from Glint’s eggs? I think it does not matter much, as this last egg has special importance over all others.

I assume that we will be defending the egg against Mordremoth, and that baby Glint will be given a tasty piece of Elder Dragon to feed upon afterwards, so that she can grow quickly and eventually replace one of the Elder Dragons. Do we have a piece of an Elder Dragon around somewhere by chance? Some nice tail for example.

draxynnic.3719:

That happened in Arah, not the Crystal Desert.

I didn’t say otherwise. The Forgotten aren’t in Arah NOW; they’re in the Crystal Desert and Elona. The altar is in Arah, but presumably it can’t do the ritual all by its lonesome.

— and there, I edited my original post to avoid further confusion.

draxynnic.3719:

it depends on what is and isn’t inherited. Glint’s children may have inherited her immunity from the Forgotten ritual. Or they may have inherited neither her immunity nor her connection to Kralkatorrik – so they’re just as susceptible to corruption as anything else, but as yet have no links with Kralkatorrik or any of the other Elder Dragons.

Good points.

From the Forgotten path, the ritual can only be performed at the altar (that we know of, there may be other sites, but it does need to be at a special site), but does not require a Forgotten to undertake it, just someone who knows the ritual. The ritual is actually performed on a test subject at the end of the path.

draxynnic.3719:

From the Forgotten path, the ritual can only be performed at the altar (that we know of, there may be other sites, but it does need to be at a special site), but does not require a Forgotten to undertake it, just someone who knows the ritual. The ritual is actually performed on a test subject at the end of the path.

Ah, well, I sit corrected.

draxynnic.3719:

That happened in Arah, not the Crystal Desert.

Beyond that… it depends on what is and isn’t inherited. Glint’s children may have inherited her immunity from the Forgotten ritual. Or they may have inherited neither her immunity nor her connection to Kralkatorrik – so they’re just as susceptible to corruption as anything else, but as yet have no links with Kralkatorrik or any of the other Elder Dragons.

cough like the pale tree cough

I really like the idea of them trying to find another dragon to contain the released magic. Maybe they don’t need it to hatch though, maybe they just go grab the spheres of influence and inject it directly in to the egg for safe-keeping. That egg is going to have some trippy dreams….

Still going with the egg being Mordremoth and Glint’s (or Glint’s successor’s) love child. And The Master of Peace knows Mordremoth is angry about this lover being gone and he’s trying to take the egg to Mordremoth in hopes it’ll calm the dragon knowing it’s child lives.

According to Ogden, the Brotherhood of the Dragon initially intended for Glint to become the one and only Elder Dragon. I’m not sure if this would create balance though. But Ogden also warns that we shouldn’t follow the Asura to much. In their attempt to explain the All, they’ve gone too far into the details, and actually strayed further from the truth. So we probably should not refer to it as the Eternal Alchemy. It is far more than that. It is the All.

Actually, Ogden says that given time Glint would become an Elder Dragon, not the one and only Elder Dragon. It’s unclear how this Elder Glint would interact with the others, but at the very least would be able to claim a ‘safe zone’ in her own territory.

I’m kinda wondering if Ogden was there when the Master of Peace claimed the egg. During the final memory scene, the one which the egg floats down to the MoP’s hands, I thought I was able to make out “Guard this with your life.” from the garbled mess of the audio.

It’s “You must promise to protect it with your life. Will you?”

It comes up in the chat log as Mysterious Voice – I have a screenshot.

Considering the way Ogden acts so mysteriously about the voice, it might have been Ogden himself, or someone close to him.

draxynnic.3719:

It’s “You must promise to protect it with your life. Will you?”

It comes up in the chat log as Mysterious Voice – I have a screenshot.

That’s very interesting, especially since there is such a small amount of people that mysterious voice could belong too. The only ones that had access to the Lair was: Glint, Ogden, MoP, possibly the other Masters, and any of Glint’s surviving children (including “Glimmer”.)

We can rule out Ogden, MoP, and the other Masters. So unless Glint built a memory of herself into her Lair (à la Jor-El and the Fortress of Solitude), I wonder if it could have possibly been the elusive “Glimmer”. Kinda low on possible suspects otherwise.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512

Considering the way Ogden acts so mysteriously about the voice, it might have been Ogden himself, or someone close to him.

Why would he want to hide the fact he was there though? We already know he has access to Glint’s Lair and his strong ties with the MoP after the mission. There wouldn’t be much point in hiding the fact that he’s the one that took the egg out of stasis to give to the MoP to hatch it.

Frozenwind brought forward the idea that the voice could also be a Forgotten. It’s possible that Ogden is protecting someone who chooses to hide from sight. Or it could be a lost member of the Brotherhood of the Dragon. Maybe someone presumed dead. Ogden himself wrote a premature eulogy for his king, King Jalis, but maybe Jalis is still alive.

Hrrrmn, I’m trying to remember now if there were any moments of the original where a Forgotten is voiced. The sound of the Mysterious Voice certainly isn’t what I’d expect from them, anyway.

Speaking of the King of the Snowmen, another possibility, albeit one that’s a bit out there, is that the message came from one of the male gods, or a servant of the gods.

An envoy perhaps? Good call.

On a side tangent, the fact that they’ve confirmed that Glint could become an Elder Dragon in her own right means that the theories about Tequatl possibly evolving to become the next Elder Dragon of Undeath are true as well.

Just think of the size of the omelet…

Zaxares.5419:

On a side tangent, the fact that they’ve confirmed that Glint could become an Elder Dragon in her own right means that the theories about Tequatl possibly evolving to become the next Elder Dragon of Undeath are true as well.

That’s what the Brotherhood of the Dwarves thinks. It isn’t confirmed.

Not making any conclusions yet, but some interesting points, for me, at least:

Master of Peace headed somewhere safe with the Glint’s egg.

That “somewhere safe” is in the direction of Maguuma.

The Mursaat, which we last saw in Maguuma is only known race to hide even from Elder Dragons themselves. They are tottaly know much about safety.

Oh, and don’t forget the Bloodstone. High concentration of magic. Dragons feed on magic, grow in power with it.

So, the puzzle is starting to get together.

Aethelbert.1497:

Oh, and don’t forget the Bloodstone. High concentration of magic. Dragons feed on magic, grow in power with it.

This.

Also, who’s to say that the egg has not already hatched?
How long ago did the MoP receive the egg?
250+ years since we last saw glint’s eggs, that’s a long incubation period.

I was wondering if there is a bloodstone (or a piece) in Maguuma that the hatchling can feed off….

Sephas.8793:

I was wondering if there is a bloodstone (or a piece) in Maguuma that the hatchling can feed off….

The Bloodstone Fen bloodstone is just north west of the blue fort in the Silverwastes.

Aethelbert.1497:

Master of Peace headed somewhere safe with the Glint’s egg.

That “somewhere safe” is in the direction of Maguuma.

The Mursaat, which we last saw in Maguuma are the only known race to hide even from Elder Dragons themselves. They totaly know much about safety.

Very little is known of the interactions of the Mursaat with the Elder Dragons. Next to nothing really, unless you count speculation. But they are also evil spell casters, and the enemy of Glint.

In the trailer “Evry force in Tyria will want it” , let’s think about it.

Right now in that area there are: the pact and the military force of evry race, and the information about the egg could make avarice for them (if we follow what it’s say).

The pact could use it to fight the dragons.

The humans could use it to protect themself

The charrs could use it to destroy their enemies ( foefires, brandeds, flame legion ).

The norns could use it to find a way against Jormag.

The asuras could study it to learn more about dragons and their link to the eternal alchemy.

The sylvaris would use it to bring all togheder to fight the dragons.

In thoset regions there are bandits, and we know that they have relations with the inquest and Caudecus. He could use it to have enought power to take over the trone. The inquest could experiment and research over and over on a living dragonand take all they want.

Of course Mordremorth want if for various possibilities: hig source of magic, one less dragon to share the world’s magic, a way to go against kralkatorrik (?!) for the same reason.

Let’s think about it, we don’t know if in the past the elder dragons fight each others ,probably not because the magic of the world was already finished before it could happen. But now with Zaithan out of the ballance, and more magic for the others, a war among elder dragons could be possible, and in war take advanteges is crucial, especialy if it’s very near (the egg).

And right now the races send their troops to join the fight against Mordremorth, and it’s a good occasion for their enemies to attack their cities.

“as soon as the mordrem started to cause imbalance in the world, the Master of Peace seemed to head directly to Glint’s lair and acquire a dragon egg.”

How do u know that dude didn’t have the egg before?..maybe right after glint died? i don’t think we know when he received the egg.

Also if he is trying to protect the egg, why is he running towards the big bad dragon who wants to eat it? Literally every step he took was towards the dragon…lol

He either wants to give the egg to the big bad dragon and the whole story falls under the cliche “oh the guy who we thought wanted peace, double rainbows and hugs in the world actually hated everyone” and the zaphyrites were misslead and will feel lost after they find out. OR illuminati theory: he knows we will defeat the dragon and he wants to use the dead dragon’s energy to powergrow the egg.

@Xarius: I suspect that the good factions in the allied races are going to be fairly united in this – Jennah regards Glint as a friend to humanity, so she’ll probably want to be a friend in turn. Sylvari and norn will probably both champion the young dragon’s right to choose its own path, the good asura have strictures against experimenting too much on sapient beings (…mostly) and if the hatchling follows in its mother’s footsteps, then the charr would probably be practical about following the Pact line and allowing the hatchling to act against the dragons.

The bigger problem is, of course, the evil factions. The Inquest are already experimenting on Aspect crystals, they would probably literally kill to get their hands on an egg. Then there’s the Nightmare Court, and the White Mantle may well have plans for it, especially if Lazarus knows enough about the Forgotten ritual and Glint in general to twist the hatchling to his will. Mordremoth will want to corrupt it or consume its magic, and the Aetherblades are still out there – they might have a use for dragon egg, if only to sell it as a curiosity.

And that’s just the factions that we KNOW are either already operating in the area or have the capacity to do so.

Some of you make a really strong point regarding the fact that the Master of Peace does not seem to be going to a safe place. He seems to be heading straight in the direction of danger, so it is not impossible that he’s actually a bad guy. I can’t think of any safe place in the Maguuma.

However, there may be other reasons to want to take the Dragons Egg to the Maguuma jungle.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Falls

It is where the Falls are, and the Temple of Balthazar. The waters also have healing properties and there’s a Bloodstone nearby. Perhaps the abundance of magic here is an excellent way to hatch a dragon’s egg, while preventing Mordremoth from consuming all the magic. It’s also possible he’s looking for the Druids to protect the egg. There’s also Zinn’s Secret Underground Lair in this area.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Secret_Underground_Lair

I expect the White Mantle to be involved some how. Mordremoth seems to have annihilated the bandit fortresses in the Maguuma, I wonder if there’s a reason for that. Are the Mordrem simply taking every settlement they come across, or are they after something?

Seems pretty obvious he’s taking the egg straight to the bloodstone in Bloodstone Fen.

I doubt about the bloodstone :

“The rock behind the throne is thought to be the Bloodstone from Bloodstone Fen where the White Mantle slaughtered Krytans that could become the fulfiller of the Flameseeker Prophecies. The reason given as to why it may be displayed here is that it can be a symbol of the defeat of the tyrannical order that ruled before Salma’s lineage.”

“Even though the Bloodstone are—at least in Guild Wars—red, and this one is whitish, the cracks glowing are something these two rocks have in common.”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Queen's_Throne_Room

Xarius.6120:

I doubt about the bloodstone :

“The rock behind the throne is thought to be the Bloodstone from Bloodstone Fen where the White Mantle slaughtered Krytans that could become the fulfiller of the Flameseeker Prophecies. The reason given as to why it may be displayed here is that it can be a symbol of the defeat of the tyrannical order that ruled before Salma’s lineage.”

“Even though the Bloodstone are—at least in Guild Wars—red, and this one is whitish, the cracks glowing are something these two rocks have in common.”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Queen's_Throne_Room

The wiki is wrong, there is no reason to believe that is a Bloodstone. It’s just a lot of wild speculation. Bloodstones look nothing like that, and we’re never given any clue or statement in-game that it would be a Bloodstone.

And why would they take such a valuable and dangerous magical artifact, that has quite an important influence on the flora and fauna in that region, remove it from the region, and put their Queen right next to it? And only a part of it as well? It makes little sense.

Unfortunately the wiki often states things that are stated as fact, but aren’t so.

Randulf.7614:

It would take many millennia for the baby to grow to that kind of power and why would they take it to nearer an existing dragon?

Ogden said that the egg was going somehwere “safe”. My suspicion is that wherever that place is, that is the more significant feature than the egg/baby dragon itself

i thought the egg might be taken to Glints crystal place. you know, to take advantage of what glint left behind, ion cannons, crystals, egg. in many movies and games, crystals can be used to purify energy into beams (real life as well i guess).

the vision seemed to make that obvious if you ask me.

also, people told me the dragon in the vision that is being deterred by lasers was the shadow elder dragon, but it looks similar to the dragon weve seen in the recent trailer.

were gonna get egg, take it to crystal place, almost kill the dragon in the trailer, then mordremoth is gonna interrupt us and do something to the egg.

Equilibriator.8741:

i thought the egg might be taken to Glints crystal place. you know, to take advantage of what glint left behind, ion cannons, crystals, egg. in many movies and games, crystals can be used to purify energy into beams (real life as well i guess).

Yes, the Master of Peace is heading NORTH WEST, to take the egg from Glint’s lair, to Glint’s lair which was originally in the Crystal Desert, in the SOUTH EAST. Makes perfect sense.

Note: The scene in the priory suggests that Glint’s crystal lair is a pocket dimension inside a grain of salt, that could literally be opened from anywhere, as long as you have the sand. So it’s not really bound to any specific location it would seem.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

-snip-

Go easy on the guy, not everyone knows everything about glint’s lair and such, we can’t all be knowledgable in the lore of the guild wars universe

But yea, the Master of peace is heading in the opposite direction of where glint’s lair is to be found. Most likely looking for a magical place to hatch it.

Also, the dragon in the vision was indeed the shadow of the dragon (with the whole trees and shrubbey on his back) this new dragon minion we see in this video seems more like bark and seems way smaller.

This was posted on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/GuildWars2/photos/a.135044094208.103264.114036714208/10152597558244209/?type=1&theater

Another theory that can be added to what i said above is he is willing to dumbly sacrifice the egg in a stupid attempt to make a deal with the dragon in order for his people to be safe. Yea…there’s the possibility the story could go into that stupid direction.

To note also, if the MoP is heading Northwest, then he is not heading towards Mordremoth who is located Southwest of our current position in the far reaches of Magus Falls. So that would seem to blow up the theory of him possibly being a bad guy. Now, what is Northwest of us?, and look at the entire map NW, not just the adjacent zone(s).

How do u know he is in the south west if the new map opened up above and the plant thing that we don’t have access too yet, is in the top left corner of the map implying it would open up to an upper area?

Not saying u are wrong, but i don’t see what gives u the certainty he is there. Maybe i missed some piece of info.

We currently do not know where Mordremoth is exactly. He might be at the Falls, and I know a lot of us want to go there. But that doesn’t mean he is. He could also be right on top of the Bloodstone for all we know. If I were to hazard a guess, I’d say we at least have to go very deep underground to find him.

You’re going to make me find the reference aren’t you? It’s in game, and we were told during the first half the LS…and no, it’s not something I pulled off the Wiki. I just happen to have one of those memories that sometimes remembers seemingly inconsequential material. I’ll try and find it again, and who it was that said it, but it might be futile…I’d probably have to play all of the episodes over again to find it.

You know, if Glint was tricky and prone to deception when needed (as I believe she was), then maybe this “egg” isn’t her real egg at all?

With everyone chasing after this thing, nobody’s going to look anywhere else for it, right? For all we know, it’s a big ball of anti-dragon magic made to look like an egg. If we keep it safe, great! If Mord gets it, also great! Either way, her real child’s safe far away from there.

Rebound.3409:

How do u know he is in the south west if the new map opened up above and the plant thing that we don’t have access too yet, is in the top left corner of the map implying it would open up to an upper area?

Not saying u are wrong, but i don’t see what gives u the certainty he is there. Maybe i missed some piece of info.

The cinematic of Mordremoths awakening.He is shown to lvie somwhere past rata sum in a heavily forested/jungle area. Whic is something quite different from the wastes we’ve been in so far.

The reason why we are going northwest and not southwest to meet mordremoth is becuase other ways there might be blocked off or because we are going after the master of peace who is looking for something hidden there.

Hmmm, intereesting yea i kinda forgot the details of that trailer. Yea that might be the case.