I wanted it to be Phlunt

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Posted by: Cherokeewill.7504

Cherokeewill.7504

As soon as I entered the old Inquest base as Caithe, I wanted Phlunt to be the head Asura that was experimenting on the Secondborn Sylvari. I think it would have been a nice plot twist and a little way that the Player Character could have gotten revenge for Taimi while we wait for Marjory to do her research.

After we plant seed #2:

  • Jory: What did you see boss?
  • Asura PC: We were experimenting on Sylvari. It’s a wonder Caithe trusted us ever again. When this is over, I need to have a talk with Phlunt.
  • Other race PC: The Asura were experiementing on Sylvari. When this is over, I need to have a talk with Phlunt.

After we plant seed #3

  • Jory: I’ll head back to the priory to investigate this door. We need to see what’s in there.
  • PC: OK. I’ve business with Phlunt in Metrica. Contact me when you have something.

The PC then travels back to Metrica and confronts Phlunt. We discover he’s an Inquest mole and an epic battle insues where we give his flunkies a beat down and he cowers in the corner. We then get to frog march his kitten in front of the arcane council and lock him up for crimes against sentient races, espionage and taking credit for Taimi’s genius.

This would have made the terminus of this episode far more palatable.

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Posted by: Bergil.4716

Bergil.4716

Wasn’t Phlunt at the summit? Because if so, doing as you suggest would cause a bit of a plot-hole, as I doubt he’d be allowed in the Grove if he was responsible- nor would the Arcane Council send him unless they were deliberately trying to pick a fight.

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Posted by: Cherokeewill.7504

Cherokeewill.7504

IIRC, Caithe was not at the summit and may never have reported what she saw to the Mother Tree due to her guilt over being complicit in the slaughter of the innocent Centaur Tribe. The only other witnesses would be the Secondborns, who were so close to death they might not remember anything, and Faolain, who noone would believe anyway.

The Arcane Council would also be unaware in the this scenario, otherwise why would they prosecute him… And, it is 25 years later. He would think he got away with it because he’s SO brilliant. The Asura in the lab never identifies himself and it would only be the PC own awareness of who Phlunt is that would allow us to recognize him in his youth.

Bottomline: Phlunt is a prick and I want any excuse to kick him over and over and over…

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Posted by: Xiahou Mao.9701

Xiahou Mao.9701

IIRC, Caithe was not at the summit

Caithe was at the summit. She wasn’t announced by the heralds like the other important NPCs were, but she was there, and Bloomanoo and Peneloopee comment on her when she walks by them during the procession.

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

The inquest isn’t a rouge group of evil doers… They are an official part of Asuran society, many of their experiments are sanctioned (though many are not). Also in the flashback it was not an inquest base but one of the schools research labs. There isn’t anything to reveal to anyone, they were legal experiments.

I personally think the slyvari should go to war against the asura and wipe them out

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Posted by: Cherokeewill.7504

Cherokeewill.7504

Thanks for pointing that out.

We could go deeper into pop psycholgy and say that seeing Phlunt triggered some sort of psychotic break. She’s stolen the dragon egg not to resurrect Wynne or help Faolain, but in a convoluted scheme to destroy Phlunt or Rata Sum.

Or, as is supported by racial awareness studies here on earth, Asura may all look alike to Caithe and yet again it is only our PC’s interactions with the kittening Skritt dropping that allows us to make the connection from the memories we’ve seen.

I know we can’t get too deep with these characters when we only have four short conversations every two weeks, but wouldn’t it be nice?

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Posted by: Electro.4173

Electro.4173

IIRC, Caithe was not at the summit and may never have reported what she saw to the Mother Tree due to her guilt over being complicit in the slaughter of the innocent Centaur Tribe. The only other witnesses would be the Secondborns, who were so close to death they might not remember anything, and Faolain, who noone would believe anyway.

Caithe was at the summit. She never had any dialogue or anything (unless you talked to her anyway) but she was the last one during the processional and off to the side during the actual speech your character gave, as well as defending the Pale Tree when the mordrem attacked.

As for the idea of Phlunt being the one who was experimenting on the Sylvari… nah. That would be a bit too coincidental and contrived, I think. Its already contrived enough that Canach happened to be there. Besides, as much of a jerk and a tool as Phlunt is, I don’t think he’s inquest or into Inquest-esque experiments.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Phlunt’s implied to be far too inept at research to be able to do what Vorpp did (and hence he went into politics :P). But yes, I would like the chance to meet up with Vorpp again and ask him some pointed questions about his past…

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Posted by: Weindrasi.3805

Weindrasi.3805

Personally, I’m glad it wasn’t Phlunt. Guild Wars 2 already has a problem with casting its characters as black and white—there’s not much grey area. If every nice & pleasant character were good, and every unpleasant character were actually a secret bad guy…that would be pretty silly.
Honestly, a lot of regular asura aren’t that different from inquest. For instance, there’s an asura in—I think it’s Timberline Falls—who forcibly captures ettins and does cruel experiments on them with no consideration of ethics. Most asura treat skritt and hylek just as badly. They’ll even experiment on other asura… it’s just the inquest take “experiment on other asura” to a greater extreme.
Experimenting on unwilling sylvari isn’t just an inquest thing—a lot of non-inquest, who consider themselves morally superior to the inquest—would still do it without qualms.

Inquest-Chaotic evil & lawful evil
Regular Asura- Lawful evil & chaotic neutral… with a few “good guy” oddballs

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Posted by: Tachenon.5270

Tachenon.5270

Hey, it just occurred to me — maybe, just maybe, in the next chapter we can play as Phlunt! Wouldn’t that be grand!

Especially if Phlunt, as an outspoken opponent of the Inquest, was against experimenting on the sylvari and tried to stop it, but got shot down (perhaps literally!) by Vorpp. Maybe afterward, Phlunt took it upon himself to seek out the source of the sylvari and after many madcap adventures along the way, tracked them back to the Grove, where, after being subjected to rigorous (and hostile) questioning, he finally gained an audience with the Pale Tree and impressed her with his compassion and atypical asura wisdom.

What a fun NPC-play session that would be!

The table is a fable.

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Posted by: Weindrasi.3805

Weindrasi.3805

Hey, it just occurred to me — maybe, just maybe, in the next chapter we can play as Phlunt! Wouldn’t that be grand!

Especially if Phlunt, as an outspoken opponent of the Inquest, was against experimenting on the sylvari and tried to stop it, but got shot down (perhaps literally!) by Vorpp. Maybe afterward, Phlunt took it upon himself to seek out the source of the sylvari and after many madcap adventures along the way, tracked them back to the Grove, where, after being subjected to rigorous (and hostile) questioning, he finally gained an audience with the Pale Tree and impressed her with his compassion and atypical asura wisdom.

What a fun NPC-play session that would be!

I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic, but I actually love this idea.

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Posted by: Tachenon.5270

Tachenon.5270

Well, I do think Phlunt has the potential to be a deep and interesting, if not necessarily immediately likeable, character. He’s one of the few asura we see (in modern times, that is) who exhibits any degree of scientific responsibility and, along with it, concern for the safety and well-being of others. Without asura like him, willing to step up and do the responsible thing, even if it means being thought of as a big mean meanie, the species would probably be extinct.

The table is a fable.