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I guess he would be corrupted by now since the last time we know where he’s going is Meguuma jungle and he’s a soundless.

Lore hints that the Sylvari (or, more specifically, the type of being that the Pale Tree is) might have originally been Mordremoth minions, but that Rowen and Ventari’s influence on the seed may have altered the Pale Tree’s nature. The current Sylvari are in turn mostly under the influence of the Pale Tree, save for those that reject her control (Soundless) or her philosophy (Nightmare Court).

Malyck from the Sylvari PS confirms the existence of more trees like the Pale Tree, but possibly without their own Dreams. So, where the Sylvari as we know them are “good” and Mordremoth is “evil,” these other Sylvari might be more “neutral.”

It would be interesting if in the second half of LS S2 we encountered Mordrem Sylvari, which might be closer to the “true” nature/origin of Sylvari.

Edit for some clarification:

Malyck is not a Soundless. The Soundless are a village of Sylvari founded by one of the Firstborn and located in the middle of the Caledon Forest map. They reject the control of the Dream and the influence of the Pale Tree, but are not looking to corrupt, subvert or destroy her like the Nightmare Court are. Malyck is from a different tree located elsewhere in Maguuma.

More likely I think that the Pale Tree would deem Malyck returning home and spreading word of her existence to be too dangerous for her people and she gave Caithe some special orders to ensure it didn’t happen….

OOoooooo…. Caithe’s secret revealed?

Sariel V.7024:

More likely I think that the Pale Tree would deem Malyck returning home and spreading word of her existence to be too dangerous for her people and she gave Caithe some special orders to ensure it didn’t happen….

If you have played through Entangled, then you would know that killing Malyck would have served no purpose. Therefore, I doubt that the Pale Tree had him killed. Also, the summit confirms that Mordy knows exactly where the Pale Tree is located.

With Sylvari and Mordremoth everything is possible. We know that they are connected in some way (especially the Pale Tree) and that the Sylvari, uncorruptable before can be “turned” by Mordremoth, and we will most likely encounter them (corrupted) in the next episodes of season 2.
I don’t know if Mordremoth created them though, since the Elder Dragons (Mordremoth included) have risen before and there were no Sylvari back then. On the other hand, The Sylvari are a really young race and came into being at the same time as the Elders were on the rise.
ALSO don’t forget about Scarlet and the Zephyrite Saboteur – Both Sylvari.
As for Malick, I think he played his part since he was present in the Sylvari personal story only. If at some point they show us more versions of the Pale Tree, he might appear though, but I think it’s not very likely to happen anytime soon… Let’s wait and be surprised though

@Blair: No, actually, lore does NOT hint at sylvari being Mordremoth minions. It, in fact, hints at the opposite. It does, however, hint that Nightmare is Mordremoth’s corruption, thus making the Nightmare Court minions.

As far as we know, simply having a “good influence” does jack squat to a dragon minion. If you point to Mawdrey, I will point to how amongst the first of the dozens of different magical things we feed it (or rather, it’s grandplant) was Foefire magic – which originates in ancient Orr, results in a ghostfire magic that burns through risen corruption exceptionally fast, and alters the mentality of those affected by it to be shared with the spellcaster (in Ascalon’s case, Adelbern). Mawdrey was given a series of other magical effects – raw ley line magic, purified glacial water, healing Maguuma waters, Font of Rhand magical water, chaos magic, Mists magic, elemental magic, and then the light and heat of the Forsaken Halls and Destroyer. Any number of them – or the combination of any number of them – could result in cleansing dragon corruption in the same light as the Forgotten ritual at the Altar of Glaust.

@Creamtoast: The Pale Tree explicitly states she’s the source of preventing dragon corruption – general, meaning all Elder Dragons, not just Mordremoth. Mordremoth just manages to get around said protection.

Just because Mordremoth can corrupt sylvari, does not mean there’s a connection between them. It’s like saying there’s a connection between Kralkatorrik and charr, because charr can be corrupted.

Fun fact: it’s heavily implied that the Elder Dragons cannot “recorrupt” their minions. Otherwise, why wouldn’t Kralkatorrik just corrupt Glint instead of killing her?

Furthermore, Mordremoth being able to corrupt sylvari more easily than other dragons has a simple seven-word explanation:

Sylvari are plants.
Mordremoth specialises in flora.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Just because Mordremoth can corrupt sylvari, does not mean there’s a connection between them. It’s like saying there’s a connection between Kralkatorrik and charr, because charr can be corrupted.

If Kralky was the only dragon that could corrupt charr, you might have a point. However, because Mordy is the only dragon that can corrupt sylvari, your statement does not apply.

With the Pale Tree knocked out, that may no longer hold true.

Of course, we won’t ever find out unless the Story takes us to see sylvari in the other Elder Dragon’s territories before the Pale Tree wakes.

Because, you know, the Pale Tree states that she causes the sylvari’s “immunity”.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

As far as we know, simply having a “good influence” does jack squat to a dragon minion.

I can think of a magical planty back piece that might disagree. Although how lore canon it is I’m not too sure.

draxynnic.3719:

Furthermore, Mordremoth being able to corrupt sylvari more easily than other dragons has a simple seven-word explanation:

Sylvari are plants.
Mordremoth specialises in flora.

I think it’s the nature of the corruption that differs. All the other EDs seem to (primarily) corrupt physically and Sylvari don’t survive the physical corruption process.

DarcShriek.5829:

If Kralky was the only dragon that could corrupt charr, you might have a point. However, because Mordy is the only dragon that can corrupt sylvari, your statement does not apply.

Technically Sylvari can be corrupted by any dragon, they just don’t survive (or so some of the lore seems to indicate).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

With the Pale Tree knocked out, that may no longer hold true.

Of course, we won’t ever find out unless the Story takes us to see sylvari in the other Elder Dragon’s territories before the Pale Tree wakes.

Because, you know, the Pale Tree states that she causes the sylvari’s “immunity”.

I think she only states that she’s preventing the mental corruption via Mordy, not sure if she’s responsible for the physical immunity as well.

CureForLiving.5360:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

As far as we know, simply having a “good influence” does jack squat to a dragon minion.

I can think of a magical planty back piece that might disagree. Although how lore canon it is I’m not too sure.

draxynnic.3719:

Furthermore, Mordremoth being able to corrupt sylvari more easily than other dragons has a simple seven-word explanation:

Sylvari are plants.
Mordremoth specialises in flora.

I think it’s the nature of the corruption that differs. All the other EDs seem to (primarily) corrupt physically and Sylvari don’t survive the physical corruption process.

To the first:

I’m sceptical about the canonicity of the backpacks myself, although waypoints have apparently become canon so maybe sclerite backpieces mysteriously appearing in inventory during Southsun is too… However, as I think Konig has pointed out, there’s a LOT of magical reagents going into those backpacks. The PC isn’t just lecturing those vines on morality – (s)he’s traveled across Tyria and thrown in enough magic that it’s entirely likely that somewhere in there (s)he’s mixed in a similar effect to the Forgotten ritual.

To the second: That’s possible, but at the moment ‘Sylvari are plants and Mordremoth specialises in plants’ is a sufficient explanation. There may be more to it, of course, but as evidence for some of the more controversial theories, it’s substantially weakened by the fact that the simplest explanation comes simply from Mordremoth being the plant dragon.

CureForLiving.5360:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

As far as we know, simply having a “good influence” does jack squat to a dragon minion.

I can think of a magical planty back piece that might disagree. Although how lore canon it is I’m not too sure.

Really? Really?

Did you not read the very following sentence of what you just quoted? Let me quote that paragraph for you, I’ll even bold for emphasis:

As far as we know, simply having a “good influence” does jack squat to a dragon minion. If you point to Mawdrey, I will point to how amongst the first of the dozens of different magical things we feed it (or rather, it’s grandplant) was Foefire magic – which originates in ancient Orr, results in a ghostfire magic that burns through risen corruption exceptionally fast, and alters the mentality of those affected by it to be shared with the spellcaster (in Ascalon’s case, Adelbern). Mawdrey was given a series of other magical effects – raw ley line magic, purified glacial water, healing Maguuma waters, Font of Rhand magical water, chaos magic, Mists magic, elemental magic, and then the light and heat of the Forsaken Halls and Destroyer. Any number of them – or the combination of any number of them – could result in cleansing dragon corruption in the same light as the Forgotten ritual at the Altar of Glaust.

We give the three plants that end up with Mawdrey a series of unusual magic, the very first being aside from pure raw ley line magic being Foefire magic – which is known to alter the mentality of those it affected.

Without knowing whether or not any of these dozens of magical artifacts affected Mawdrey or its two plant-sires, we cannot point to Mawdrey. Goes double when we don’t even know how canon that backpack is to lore.

We know it’s possible to remove the mental corruption, as we do it ourselves, and heck it may even be possible to reverse or change the physical alterations too. But thus far, there is zero indication that the simple powers of love and friendship can save the world of Tyria – even if it and a dance off saved the galaxy in Guardians of the Galaxy.

CureForLiving.5360:

I think she only states that she’s preventing the mental corruption via Mordy, not sure if she’s responsible for the physical immunity as well.

This is the discussion in question:

Well, my child, the one thing you must never forget is that I stand between you and the greatest darkness you’ll ever know. A vast darkness intent on consuming all that we hold dear.
-> What do you mean, Mother?
There are those who reject my protection. It leaves them vulnerable in ways they cannot imagine, in ways they never were before. I shield you as best I can and will for as long as I can.
-> You’re talking about dragon corruption. We’ve been immune to it.
Yes. In the past, my children have been immune. But Mordremoth’s corruption is powerful, and just as Zhaitan created the undead from so many creatures, so Mordremoth’s corruption can change you.
-> Scarlet?
I believe she opened herself to it when she let down the wall of her mind. Mordremoth’s corruption seeps in through the cracks in our willpower. Do not follow in her footsteps.

Others take this to talking solely about Mordremoth’s corruption the entire time, but the fact that our PC talks about immunity and dragon corruption on a general scale and the Pale Tree says yes indicates that she’s the source of protection against all Elder Dragons. But, for reasons unexplained, Mordremoth’s corruption is strong enough to work through that protection – especially to those who leave the Pale Tree, such as Scarlet.