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Posted by: sAdam.5876

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I must start by saying that I really liked how Canach was pictured in Secret of Southsun Cove. Heck, it was first and only time when story showed some signs in going into moral gray areas. Canach was well-intentioned extremist and one of very few not one dimensional character in game. Despite his terrorist-like methods he wanted to free workers of Consortium, he acted like light version of Magneto. Consortium itself wasn’t shown as 100% evil, mostly greedy and indifferent for others.

After capture and imprisonment Canach started talking that he learned his lesson and want to atone for his sins. That made me cringe. I was afraid they will make him into next knight in shining armor, completely disconnected from his previously established personality.

Now we met him again. He starts by repeating how he is changed men and want to prove himself. Seconds later he half-jokingly mention possibility of planting bombs on party full of guests. It’s like writers still want to make him two intentional, but by making him contradict himself. It was frustrating, because as I mentioned I really liked him in his Southsun appearance.

Sry for convoluted writing and what do you think?

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Posted by: Thobek.1730

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The reason why he said something extreme like planting bombs on the guests was only to get a rise out of Anise because she was ignoring him (I also believe that was just a clone he was talking to).

Canach is probably my fav character of the lot. From the tough beginnings right up to how he is now. He sounds smart, clever and resourceful – I want this guy in my team.

He’s also clever enough to see through Anise disguise of hiding her actual age with mesmer abilities. This guy is sharp, I respect that.

He’s a good character.

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Posted by: Jam.4521

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I agree with the above, I like the little interplay between Canach having a joke at Anise expense and starting to see through her exterior, something I’m looking forward to being exposed.

BOOM

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Posted by: Shirogatsu.3150

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Emm, it was a joke. If you have not noticed Anise did not listened him and Canach started to talk crazy to check her reaction.

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Posted by: WyldKat.4712

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I think he had the right mix of attitude and self awareness. It was almost like dealing with his parole officer. Yes, I did a bad thing, but I was doing it for a good reason.

Liked his reaction to Anise’s "but you got caught". He was all "wait, wut?"

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Posted by: sAdam.5876

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I know that was a joke, I wrote that he told that half-jokingly, because his precious tactics were not so different.
I was looking forward to his introduction to Biconics as some kind of evil token teammate or at least antihero. Meybe we will get light-light-version of what he was during Southsun Cove. For now, at least for me, it looks like he is developing in two opposite directions simultaneously – as a (next of many) straight edge hero and more cutthroat protege of Lady Anise. Finger crossed for the second one, we already got Logan and we know how that ended up.

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Posted by: Lalocat.6793

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Emm, it was a joke. If you have not noticed Anise did not listened him and Canach started to talk crazy to check her reaction.

Yes, he noticed that she was not really there. He was my favorite part of this update and I hope we see lots more of him.

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Posted by: Shiren.9532

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I’m glad they wrote him smart enough to figure out Anise’s game (Logan and Scarlet didn’t during the Queen’s Speech), but while I do agree he was trying to bait Anise as a test to figure out if she was a clone, he also seemed inclined to play his part in her plan (which is why even once he seemed to figure out she wasn’t real he still kept saying “shocking” things to play his role as the distraction).

I think Canach is playing the hand he’s been dealt the best he can. I think he realised co-operating with Anise was in his best interests and he’s playing along in an attempt to better figure out her game.

I also liked that Anise took a pragmatic view of Canach. I was growing tired of the good Queen Jennah winning every battle while holding the moral high ground. It was refreshing to see Anise get her hands dirty and invest in a criminal like Canach. I was worried this plot wouldn’t make sense, but when Anise said she wasn’t disappointed in what he did, but that he got caught I was happy. Canach is a fairly accomplished person, he evaded capture for several months, survived bounty hunters and almost took out the Consortium settlements, I’m glad Anise can see him as more than just a villain.

I was worried about him when he first appeared after he was captured and he was portrayed as a “woke again” Dreamer, but I have hope for him now.

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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He was talking crazy to get a reaction.

You know how that is I trust? When somebody just doesn’t pay attention, so you say something out of the blue or crazy to try to get them alert.

Such as “I think I’ll go breakdance to Mary Poppins.”
“Ok…”

Canach was doing that in the party.

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Posted by: Electro.4173

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From all the dialogue with him, he still seems very much willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish his goals. Talks about threatening the politicians during the party, and then later at the summit he has some dialogue with Anise where she mentions that she needs a weapon who can do what it takes no matter the cost or method and Canach is more than willing to agree to that as well.

I don’t think they’re trying to make him into a goody-goody knight in shining armor at all. Heck, if anything, I think him and Anise working together will make him even more devious, though perhaps less reckless.

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Posted by: sAdam.5876

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I think my post was too convoluted and it wasn’t clear :P
I have nothing against his crazy talk with Anise. That part of him is one I like most. Parts that worries me are one when he is acting as a “woke again” Dreamer (as Shiren named him ). I would take cutthroat and bomb planting Canach over any member of Biconics team (maybe except Taimy, she is too perfect :P ).

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Posted by: Rym.1469

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I like the way his story and his connections with Anise are developed.

Everything we see in this patch about him is quite logical.

1. At the party, at first he believes that he has almost no purpose just standing there besides scarying off people. Then he becomes curious about lack of Anise’s responsiveness so he throws out half-jokes about decapitating and planting bombs, just to try out the attention. Once he realises that he’s talking to illusion programmed with “hmph”, he picks up the ball and doesn’t just shout out “Oh, how dare you/there’s something wrong!” like any other LS character would do, instead, he plays his role perfectly. That alone shows that he’s more intelligent and smart than all of the other LS characters combined.

2. His dialogues with Anise are seriously the style I hope ANet will dive more into. They’re not “Oh, we have to save the word/X before the Bad Z kill Tyria!”. They’re interesting, not obvious and well voice-acted. They feel real, like two actual characters with spines talking – something grey, something that’s finally there.

3. His “evolution” is quite logical, too. From Southsun when he was a little bit too “enthusiastic” and brave, to prison where he grew up a little bit, calmed down and learned to count his words. Now he’s out of prison, serves Anise and I believe he’s just curious about her plans.

Funny fact, ArenaNet may finally realise that this kind of character, dialogue and story is far more interesting than regular cookie-cutter. Personally, I’m way more interested about Canach and Anise story than the main one or quaggans, whatever.

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Posted by: Traveller.7496

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Canach is the one shining light in the otherwise terrible NPC lot the Living story has introduced. He’s not goody-good, one-dimensional or baddy-bad. I’d team up with him anyday rather than the ones I’m forced to team with.

And yes Anise is another good character, so pairing him with her is a good move. She is definitely mysterious.

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Posted by: Thobek.1730

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Canach is the one shining light in the otherwise terrible NPC lot the Living story has introduced. He’s not goody-good, one-dimensional or baddy-bad. I’d team up with him anyday rather than the ones I’m forced to team with.

exactly what I thought as well. He’s got a good depth of character that has developed over the chapters unlike the others.

Please McCoy don’t ruin him and turn him into another pathetic male for the females to use as a doormat. Perhaps give this guy to another writer to look after.

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Posted by: Zok.4956

Zok.4956

Canach is the one shining light in the otherwise terrible NPC lot the Living story has introduced. He’s not goody-good, one-dimensional or baddy-bad. I’d team up with him anyday rather than the ones I’m forced to team with.

And yes Anise is another good character, so pairing him with her is a good move. She is definitely mysterious.

Exactly my thoughts. Please, A-Net, let us choose our NPC companions.

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Posted by: Morsus.5106

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He and Anise make for an interesting combination. Canach has proven he has a strong sense of moral right and wrong, but also proven that he will do what needs to be done to accomplish it.

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Posted by: insaneshadow.1654

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I like when he was trying to guess her age, that got a good chuckle out of me.

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Posted by: A Massive Headache.1879

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I don’t have much to say that hasn’t been said already, but Canach is hands down, my favorite NPC. Once he was captured and saw that the consortium still lost it’s dominance over refuges, I think he realized, he could have gone about that better. I hate how we don’t trust him in conversation though; I think he more than proved he’s well intentioned, but I do like how one of the dialogues is “don’t think I would be so easy to capture as before.”

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Posted by: Thobek.1730

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I hate how we don’t trust him in conversation though

Same, that really bugged me. My character came across as a right snotty little kitten.

When my reply popped up on the screen I was thinking “I don’t want to say that, I’m a nice understanding person that is willing to give him a second chance.”

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Posted by: ricky markham.8173

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his goody goody guy approach might be what he thought thats what his jailors wanted to hear. sometimes a shady person pretends to be goody goody too shoes just to fool people into trusting him again. a lifetime criminal will say anything if he thinks he getting out of on early release. i think hes still coniving and ruthless and will do anything to better his life

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Posted by: Ronin.7381

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Thinking about it some, I wonder if Canach is being unintentionally monitored by Mordremoth. Perhaps Anise knows this and sends him to Fort Trinity with Trahearne maybe to watch Mordremoth’s movements. However, I’m shooting in the dark as I’m not completely behind the later of that speculation. I do want to believe that Canach was the “spy” but unknowingly to the point where even he had no awareness that Mordremoth was looking at him. A “dark heart” as Trahearne put it could just be a moniker to someone who is corrupted and was used as a spy.

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Posted by: Thobek.1730

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Thinking about it some, I wonder if Canach is being unintentionally monitored by Mordremoth. Perhaps Anise knows this and sends him to Fort Trinity with Trahearne maybe to watch Mordremoth’s movements. However, I’m shooting in the dark as I’m not completely behind the later of that speculation. I do want to believe that Canach was the “spy” but unknowingly to the point where even he had no awareness that Mordremoth was looking at him. A “dark heart” as Trahearne put it could just be a moniker to someone who is corrupted and was used as a spy.

Ohh I like the idea but opposite of that. But the idea is quite good.

You know how the force only works on the weak minded, perhaps Canach is so strong willed that Mordremoth has no influence on him.

The explanation of then how did he affect Scarlet, perhaps she was open to the idea to gain more power.

But the whole idea that Canach cannot be influenced sits really well with me.