Next patch (7/15/14) - "Entanglement"
We do not know if it was Mordi. People keep moaning this with zero evidance to back it up. It’s best guess work. As I said in an earlier post, the voices could be anything. From her just being nuts. To it acutely being Mordi. We do not know. So just saying yeah it’s because he can read her mind is not an answer it’s a guess.
How likely is it that two completely unrelated Sylvari would turn up with more or less the exact same symptoms just from “being nuts”?
Assuming its the same villain behind Scarlet and Aerin, Mordremoth is hardly the only explanation. Others I have heard proposed as the entity include Menzies the Mad, Lazarus the Dire, a Steam Brain, and even Abaddon.
While Mordremoth isn’t the only explanation, how many of all of those listed are actually likely given the current setting.
We do not know if it was Mordi. People keep moaning this with zero evidance to back it up. It’s best guess work. As I said in an earlier post, the voices could be anything. From her just being nuts. To it acutely being Mordi. We do not know. So just saying yeah it’s because he can read her mind is not an answer it’s a guess.
How likely is it that two completely unrelated Sylvari would turn up with more or less the exact same symptoms just from “being nuts”?
Assuming its the same villain behind Scarlet and Aerin, Mordremoth is hardly the only explanation. Others I have heard proposed as the entity include Menzies the Mad, Lazarus the Dire, a Steam Brain, and even Abaddon.
While Mordremoth isn’t the only explanation, how many of all of those listed are actually likely given the current setting.
Any entity is as just likely as a common cause for Scarlet and Aerin assuming they’re connected. Because they’re connected via whatever the entity was. It’s a tautology.
On a slightly tangential note; the fact that Aerin couldn’t possibly have entered Omad’s device doesn’t seem to bother anyone.
We do not know if it was Mordi. People keep moaning this with zero evidance to back it up. It’s best guess work. As I said in an earlier post, the voices could be anything. From her just being nuts. To it acutely being Mordi. We do not know. So just saying yeah it’s because he can read her mind is not an answer it’s a guess.
How likely is it that two completely unrelated Sylvari would turn up with more or less the exact same symptoms just from “being nuts”?
Assuming its the same villain behind Scarlet and Aerin, Mordremoth is hardly the only explanation. Others I have heard proposed as the entity include Menzies the Mad, Lazarus the Dire, a Steam Brain, and even Abaddon.
Here’s the problem with your other explanations. Something is causing problems with the plants. We know the jungle dragon is awake now and there is evidence from the inquest that he has dominion over plants.
Your other explanations can only be correct if there are two entities doing this, both of them need dominion over plants. None of the other explanations you cite have an entity with dominion over plants.
Simplest explanation in this case is Mordy. Probably the best also.
^ Which is why I also think it’s not yet proven that the Sylvari and the Pale Tree are minions of Mordremoth. It may simply be that, as plant creatures, they are far more vulnerable to his corruption due to his mastery over plants.
^ Which is why I also think it’s not yet proven that the Sylvari and the Pale Tree are minions of Mordremoth. It may simply be that, as plant creatures, they are far more vulnerable to his corruption due to his mastery over plants.
What if Mordremoth isn’t corrupting them? What if he’s just taking them over, but the mind is still in there somewhere, intact, and he’s using them like puppets?
The real Aerin may have been trapped inside his own body while something else controlled it. He may have been praying for someone to help, to stop him, before he killed the Master of Peace. And then we came along, and he may have been inwardly screaming in agony as the “heroes of Tyria” ripped him apart and killed him. What if that’s how ALL of Modremoth’s minions will work?
Come on, ANet. Let’s see some horror here.
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Interesting concept, and I’d actually support that implementation in the game. However, it wouldn’t match other dragon corruption, where it seems that all free will and personality of the original being is consumed once they are corrupted. Mordremoth could be the exception to the rule, of course.
On a slightly tangential note; the fact that Aerin couldn’t possibly have entered Omad’s device doesn’t seem to bother anyone.
The issue is Omad states whatever Scarlet was speaking with, to whatever extent, was an entity she brought in herself. So until we know exactly what happened to Aerin, which likely only the Master of Peace knows for certain, a different experiment could have occurred stirring the same results.
But again this comes back to the whole Soundless subject. Soundless are not hostile by nature, only susceptible to the same forces. The rest remains to be seen, we very well could be facing more Soundless as it was presumed that Aerin wasn’t working alone.
We do not know if it was Mordi. People keep moaning this with zero evidance to back it up. It’s best guess work. As I said in an earlier post, the voices could be anything. From her just being nuts. To it acutely being Mordi. We do not know. So just saying yeah it’s because he can read her mind is not an answer it’s a guess.
How likely is it that two completely unrelated Sylvari would turn up with more or less the exact same symptoms just from “being nuts”?
Assuming its the same villain behind Scarlet and Aerin, Mordremoth is hardly the only explanation. Others I have heard proposed as the entity include Menzies the Mad, Lazarus the Dire, a Steam Brain, and even Abaddon.
Here’s the problem with your other explanations. Something is causing problems with the plants. We know the jungle dragon is awake now and there is evidence from the inquest that he has dominion over plants.
Your other explanations can only be correct if there are two entities doing this, both of them need dominion over plants. None of the other explanations you cite have an entity with dominion over plants.
Simplest explanation in this case is Mordy. Probably the best also.
Just because Scarlet woke Mordremoth and he is now sprouting everywhere, doesn’t mean that the Entity was Mordremoth.
Scarlet was studying Dragons and Ley lines before she went into Omads device. She may have had cause to poke the ley lines without the Entities influence. Or the Entity may have wanted to wake Mordremoth for its own reasons.
And while Mordemoth might be the simplest explanation, that doesn’t make it the only one, or the right one. Simplest might be best in the real world, but the real world doesn’t have devious writers.
Any entity is as just likely as a common cause for Scarlet and Aerin assuming they’re connected. Because they’re connected via whatever the entity was. It’s a tautology.
But again, I ask. What would make any of those suggested likely?
- Abaddon He’s gone. Kormir replaced him. Dead as dirt. So we can cross him out completely. Mallyx was destroyed and with 250 years, there’s reason to believe the Realm of Torment no longer exists, being replaced by the Realm of Knowledge to which Kormir rules.
- Menzies I have a love hate relationship with him. Because to be honest, I wanted him to be the bad guy in Eye of The North with a completely different plot going – opening of fissures. With him, the issue is he envied Balthazaar and wanted his throne. He’s a man… well half blood… in the truest sense, he saw what he wanted and wanted nothing else. So why he would even get involved when Balthazaar’s true throne isn’t among the Earth plane…. I’m not seeing it.
- Lazarus I loved the Mursaat. I liked how, despite how diabolical they were, they could be seen as doing what they did for the greater good. Especially when we find out what was going on during Nightfall that the Titan invasion was only a (pun incoming) “tip of the iceburg” But I would figure we would encounter him if/when we actually get to go to the Isles of Janthir which is far up North and pass Primo. I figured to some extent the Wizard Tower was where Naveed was hiding – conjuring the forces of elementals to protect himself from any of Lazarus’ supporters.
- Steam Brain I just don’t see it. Why would it encourage the awakening of an Elder Dragon that had no domain over steel and fire? Now sure, I do think to some extent Scarlet was convicted enough to maybe even challenge Mord after awakening him – you know, breathing life into your enemy to bring him out into the open and slay him. But this also has Saren (Mass Effect) written all over it if that were the case, Saren too was very apprehensive about Sovereign but slowly indoctrination tore away at his will power. That and by Omad’s commentary, the Steam creatures are creations of the Sylvari and not apart of them, he made it seem like something deeply rooted in her very being that was the source.
I mean sure there’s nothing concrete to say but the implications I believe are there. The only assumption I can come up with is maybe Mord’s champion trying to usher Mord into being awake. Where, if the Sylvari are minions, the Champion is offended that the Sylvari go about their daily lives warring with each more often than not rather than pave the way for their ruler. Yet again, I must stress… assuming Mord is the creator of The Trees. There’s no guarantee and I’m not claiming anything as fact until the story lays it out for us..
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We do not know if it was Mordi. People keep moaning this with zero evidance to back it up. It’s best guess work. As I said in an earlier post, the voices could be anything. From her just being nuts. To it acutely being Mordi. We do not know. So just saying yeah it’s because he can read her mind is not an answer it’s a guess.
How likely is it that two completely unrelated Sylvari would turn up with more or less the exact same symptoms just from “being nuts”?
Assuming its the same villain behind Scarlet and Aerin, Mordremoth is hardly the only explanation. Others I have heard proposed as the entity include Menzies the Mad, Lazarus the Dire, a Steam Brain, and even Abaddon.
While Mordremoth isn’t the only explanation, how many of all of those listed are actually likely given the current setting.
Any entity is as just likely as a common cause for Scarlet and Aerin assuming they’re connected. Because they’re connected via whatever the entity was. It’s a tautology.
On a slightly tangential note; the fact that Aerin couldn’t possibly have entered Omad’s device doesn’t seem to bother anyone.
Any entity other than Abaddon, since its been stated several times by the devs that he is dead.
(though I guess with all that flub over in the lore forum about if its not in the game its subject to change, its entirely possible for Abaddon to come back.)
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We do not know if it was Mordi. People keep moaning this with zero evidance to back it up. It’s best guess work. As I said in an earlier post, the voices could be anything. From her just being nuts. To it acutely being Mordi. We do not know. So just saying yeah it’s because he can read her mind is not an answer it’s a guess.
How likely is it that two completely unrelated Sylvari would turn up with more or less the exact same symptoms just from “being nuts”?
Assuming its the same villain behind Scarlet and Aerin, Mordremoth is hardly the only explanation. Others I have heard proposed as the entity include Menzies the Mad, Lazarus the Dire, a Steam Brain, and even Abaddon.
While Mordremoth isn’t the only explanation, how many of all of those listed are actually likely given the current setting.
Any entity is as just likely as a common cause for Scarlet and Aerin assuming they’re connected. Because they’re connected via whatever the entity was. It’s a tautology.
On a slightly tangential note; the fact that Aerin couldn’t possibly have entered Omad’s device doesn’t seem to bother anyone.
Any entity other than Abaddon, since its been stated several times by the devs that he is dead.
(though I guess with all that flub over in the lore forum about if its not in the game its subject to change, its entirely possible for Abaddon to come back.)
The point is that any Entity would serve equally as well for the connection between Scarlet and Aerin, if you assume that they’re connected. Because, logically, that connection is the Entity. It’s a totally circular reasoning process. It doesn’t prove anything (or it can be used to prove anything you like).
Any entity other than Abaddon, since its been stated several times by the devs that he is dead.
(though I guess with all that flub over in the lore forum about if its not in the game its subject to change, its entirely possible for Abaddon to come back.)
Sigh, doubtful since it’s a confirmed fact of why the gods have stopped interacting much at all with humanity (abaddon being dead dead), and we killed him in GW1 so they can’t change that.
Also, the line was more of a “Take the game as top canon, then interviews.” and less of a “Anything and everything in interviews is subject to change.” as I took it.