Season 3 Will Suffer
Nothing, aside from all the white mantle hints…
Was hoping to get something given the end of pvp league. But nope! I guess I can understand why some people are expecting something big tomorrow, but………I really think we are only gonna get bug fixes and new bltc items (and hopefully a blogpost or something)
I would have accepted the “patience” argument nearly 3 months ago, but now im sure we can all agree we’ve been “very” patient.
Except we are getting hints and teasers. Instead of blogs and write ups, we are getting the open world events as playable teasers. They aren’t passable as in depth content, but they do sow the seeds for what is to come and they do that pretty well, even if the gameplay side is little more than achievement hunting.
I’m not a fan of no hype either, but it’s false to say no teasers have come our way.
There is no hype for S3, just hope. You say we’re given no information, and yet claim that creates a ton of hype… that’s somewhat conflicting. With no info or quotable promises available the only person who can hype you up is you.
ANet doesn’t “need” to do anything you think they need to do. They only need to do what they think they need to do. Players claiming they know how to run a MMO better than the company is getting tiresome. You confuse what ANet needs to do with what you want ANet to do for you.
Proof will be in the pudding, and not in the promises of pudding. Yummy yummy pudding.
~EW
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I don’t agree OP. I think every time ANet gives us teasers and hints and snippets, is when things get over hyped.
They build up expectations on the teasers and hints and when those expectations are not met, they complain.
There is no hype on no information. Something cannot live up to hype that doesn’t exist. What is getting hyped up? Other than the white mantle, what is there to get hyped up about?
It’s a bit premature to state such an opinion given that we have little to no information on Season 3. Much less not seen it in action. As far as hype?
Let’s not get on that train again.
Gone to Reddit.
A lack of communication, teaser, even a hint as to whats happened basically leaves an air of mystery. This promise suggests we will get something, sometime, soon, but we havent even got a picture, a teaser, even the smallest bit of content to speculate on.
Theres a problem with this mind set:
It means that when the content finally DOES come out it will NEVER be able to live up to the hype placed on it, the expectation that we are getting some really cool new update with huge amounts of new content with monthly intervals.
I dont think A-net has the right idea here, the 2 week system for Season 2 worked “fine” it gave us enough time to break between chapters and constantly kept the game with new content in some way or form.
I am scared now, that Season 3 is going to basically end up being crushed under expectation before it even “reaches” teaser levels of content.
A-net, you NEED to give us “SOMETHING” and “NOW” before Tommorow, before tuseday, because if you make people wait ANY longer and after tuseday theres STILL no news on Season 3.
You can be sure that most people are just going to not even CARE what comes out by the time it finally does, your milking the silence FAR too long, its time to give us a teaser, any teaser, even the smallest “hint” something is comming.
I don’t recall season 2 being on a two week release schedule. I like the idea of (potentially) more meaty releases spaced further apart. To each his own though. Who knows, if the 8-12 week release schedule doesn’t work, Anet might go back to a more rapid schedule. It doesn’t seem as if they agree that it worked, “fine,” or they wouldn’t have scrapped it, but its possible that the slower schedule could be worse.
You can be sure that you don’t know what, “most people,” think or feel about the game.
I think ANet’s doing it right this time. (Excuse me, I need to go burst into flame for having just said that.)
There are things happening in the world that show us events are happening, and I think they leyline stuff shows that it happens at/after the end of the main story in HoT. These things are setting up the world at large for where LS3 can jump in, they’re basically a prelude to get some plot points introduced and explained so LS3 doesn’t need to waste time doing that.
There will always be some people over-expecting what’s coming next, but it’s when we get some vague details that rampant over-speculation really takes off. So, not providing any details until just a couple of weeks before, at most, is really the way to go. This goes for the whole update, really, not just LS3.
I expect the summer update to hit two weeks from tomorrow (July 25). So, I expect to start hearing details about it in the next two weeks, but mostly in the week before it hits. Time to get excited for it, but not enough time for us to turn it into insane hype that it can never live up to.
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There is no LS3 hype cause its probably not going to be free for the playable chapters. Anet got their Money for HoT and I’ll be they want more money for LS3. My prediction is no Hype Train cause each playable Episode of LS3 is going to cost 600-800 gems.
Otherwise we would see some sort of PR data from Anet. Blogs or otherwise. Why else would they be so tight lipped about it.
What if LS3 had already begun ?
There is no LS3 hype cause its probably not going to be free for the playable chapters. Anet got their Money for HoT and I’ll be they want more money for LS3. My prediction is no Hype Train cause each playable Episode of LS3 is going to cost 600-800 gems.
Otherwise we would see some sort of PR data from Anet. Blogs or otherwise. Why else would they be so tight lipped about it.
Well, two things:
1.) They have said they want to deliver and then hype, not hype and not deliver.
2.) LS3 isn’t going to be free. It’s been said before that LS3 will require HoT. Which is not free. So, if you’re a F2P player, then you won’t get LS3. If you’re not, you’re going to get LS3.
From what I’m hearing, ANet is going to start hosting streamers recapping LS 2, one chapter a day starting Friday. I’m also guessing they may also do the HoT story chapters, all as a lead it for the LS 3 and the summer update. I would also imagine some official info over that period as well from ANet.
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There is no LS3 hype cause its probably not going to be free for the playable chapters. Anet got their Money for HoT and I’ll be they want more money for LS3. My prediction is no Hype Train cause each playable Episode of LS3 is going to cost 600-800 gems.
Otherwise we would see some sort of PR data from Anet. Blogs or otherwise. Why else would they be so tight lipped about it.
Well, two things:
1.) They have said they want to deliver and then hype, not hype and not deliver.
2.) LS3 isn’t going to be free. It’s been said before that LS3 will require HoT. Which is not free. So, if you’re a F2P player, then you won’t get LS3. If you’re not, you’re going to get LS3.
Totally missed what I was talking about.
yes we know LS3 is going to require HoT, but I’m saying (For the sake of entertainment mind you) whats to stop them from charging for LS3 as if it was another expansion but in installments instead? They charge for LS2 for those that did not logon for those 2 weeks, so what if they are just planning on charging for the playable chapters (Ingame events and open areas cant be packaged like that, not really if you think about it)? They could charge 600-800 gems per chapter, and Honestly at this point I can seriously see them going in that direction.
There is no LS3 hype cause its probably not going to be free for the playable chapters. Anet got their Money for HoT and I’ll be they want more money for LS3. My prediction is no Hype Train cause each playable Episode of LS3 is going to cost 600-800 gems.
Otherwise we would see some sort of PR data from Anet. Blogs or otherwise. Why else would they be so tight lipped about it.
Well, two things:
1.) They have said they want to deliver and then hype, not hype and not deliver.
2.) LS3 isn’t going to be free. It’s been said before that LS3 will require HoT. Which is not free. So, if you’re a F2P player, then you won’t get LS3. If you’re not, you’re going to get LS3.Totally missed what I was talking about.
yes we know LS3 is going to require HoT, but I’m saying (For the sake of entertainment mind you) whats to stop them from charging for LS3 as if it was another expansion but in installments instead? They charge for LS2 for those that did not logon for those 2 weeks, so what if they are just planning on charging for the playable chapters (Ingame events and open areas cant be packaged like that, not really if you think about it)? They could charge 600-800 gems per chapter, and Honestly at this point I can seriously see them going in that direction.
I can’t. After advertising that LS3 would unlock via HoT purchase, the accusations of ANet double-charging for that content would only fail to hit epic proportions because the game has already bled players. A company can only survive so much negative publicity.
As to the OP, wait… We know that hype builds expectations. Now, we’re expected to believe that lack of hype builds expectations, too? If that’s so, then developers might as well do as they like. The outcome — some players will be disappointed — will be no different either way.
Given Mo’s previous comment about talking about things they’ve delivered as opposed to hyping up things that have yet to come, I doubt we’ll hear anything about anything (balance, LS3, etc) until its here. Not exactly what’d I’d prefer to see happen, but that’s the route they’ve opted to go.
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
There is no LS3 hype cause its probably not going to be free for the playable chapters. Anet got their Money for HoT and I’ll be they want more money for LS3. My prediction is no Hype Train cause each playable Episode of LS3 is going to cost 600-800 gems.
Otherwise we would see some sort of PR data from Anet. Blogs or otherwise. Why else would they be so tight lipped about it.
Well, two things:
1.) They have said they want to deliver and then hype, not hype and not deliver.
2.) LS3 isn’t going to be free. It’s been said before that LS3 will require HoT. Which is not free. So, if you’re a F2P player, then you won’t get LS3. If you’re not, you’re going to get LS3.Totally missed what I was talking about.
yes we know LS3 is going to require HoT, but I’m saying (For the sake of entertainment mind you) whats to stop them from charging for LS3 as if it was another expansion but in installments instead? They charge for LS2 for those that did not logon for those 2 weeks, so what if they are just planning on charging for the playable chapters (Ingame events and open areas cant be packaged like that, not really if you think about it)? They could charge 600-800 gems per chapter, and Honestly at this point I can seriously see them going in that direction.
The blow back would kill the game and they darn well know that so even suggesting that is simply playing into the rise of salinity in these and other forums. Lets be as pessimistic as possible, lets spin scenarios that would outrage as many players as possible.
Lets roll out the manifesto video again even though many of the accusations of broken promises and outright lies were of players creations in their own mind.
It boggles my mind the visceral about a game that’s nearly four years old from players who started spewing within months of the game’s original launch, yet they are still here waiting to prove that they’re right.
You want to be angry fine, but be constructive. Realize that certain aspects of the game will never change.
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They build up expectations on the teasers and hints and when those expectations are not met, they complain.
Every time however those expectations end up based not on info Anet provided, but on the one they omitted.
There are people that even now are trying to put a positive spin on Anet’s silence. Their expectations aren’t very likely to be met either.
Now, not everyone is like that, of course, but you have to understand, that the Alternative to unintentional hype (mind you, not all previous hype was unintentional on Anet’s side, they have definitely overhyped a lot of things in the past) is people being generally disappointed due to not expecting anything good, most of the time.
What if LS3 had already begun ?
Let’s hope not. If the current event are meant to be the example of what ls3 will provide, then gw2 is done for.
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Well if a single LS3 release was the size of half of season 2, I’d see no issue with the size. Unfortunately, I’m thinking it’ll be smaller than that.
As far as player hype goes, Anet has little control over that. They can provide little details and players will speculate and create hype. Anet can release more details and players will still speculate and create hype. They’ll announce it when they’re ready and know for certain what will go into the final product. Otherwise they could run into a situation where they couldn’t include something and you’ll have people coming into here to complain Anet lied to them.
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Speculation occurs in the absence of legitimate information. Hype if a form of speculation. Choosing to not manage consumer expectations for your product encourages hype. I am not attempting to put all of the blame for excessive hype on Anet’s shoulders, but some significant portion of the responsibility does lie with them.
Let me explain something here to be clear:
Its literally been nearly the exact same amount of time there was between Season 2 and HoT’s release in terms of a content gap, we’ve waited “that” long for new content.
The difference between HoT and Season 3, is that Heart of Thorns had trailers, content updates, news about things and teasers on the classes to keep us occupied while we waited.
This, is where Season 3 and Expansion 2 are lacking. There is nothing, no news, no insight, not a clue whats going on, and thats not a “good” thing.
Its not good to keep people in the dark forever because while it can be okay to promise nothing until you deliver it, it also creates paranoia that may even be justified.
What “if” all we get when LS3 starts is one small new zone less than 1/3rd the size of Dry top, and at most, 2 hours of new story?
Do you honestly think thats going to sit well with the people that waited 9-10 months or so for something new to do in the main world?
Hell no.
This is the great danger of silence, silence isnt golden, silence is dangerous.
Not telling people what you’re up to basically creates a LACK of hype, it creates a LACK of expectation.
And if that lack turns out to be justified…
Then you wasted everyones time, and trust me, a “LARGE” portion of the player base “WILL” decide that they’ve had enough until the attitude changes.
You can wait for a nice delicious pie all you want but if it turns out to be a pie you waited nearly 10 months for to get a tiny thing the size of a cup cake with no nutritional value, no depth, and no taste.
It will “not” have been worth the wait.
So yes, a hype, a tease, is better in every way, it gives us something to be distracted by, to create expectation and be dissapointed, but at least then we have “something” to be expecting “of” in the first place, and if its good, all the better.
I remember when LS1 ended, it was amazing, the closure was teased for several months beforehand and when it finally did close, boy was it a hell of a finale.
Season 2, ended on a pretty solid cliffhanger and an amazingly well done teaser for HoT.
So why is Season 3 failing?
Simple:
We dont have a clue, what season 3 is even about, or what to expect, we dont have a concept art, a screenshot, we dont have a trailer, we dont even have a music piece.
We dont have, anything.
That void, is not healthy for people, it just makes you uncertain if theres even anything going on, and lets be honest, A-net, you made 3 legendaries in HoT and it took you nearly a quater of a year just to finish a FORTH.
What facinates me and leaves me dumbstruck, is the same CANNOT be said of the PvP E-sport push OR the Raiding content. Both have had PLENTY of hype and teasers before going forwards and yet S3…
Nothing.
Expansion 2?
Nothing.
We “need” something, its time, its OVER-Due.
Then stop ‘waiting.’
Play the game that’s in front of you. When it no longer entertains you, go play another game. When you think there might be something entertaining to come back to, then come back.
Playing now for what you think might be coming in the future is a futile and frustrating waste of time; a rather silly thing to do overall. Your time in the present is too valuable to waste on hype for the future.
~EW
I would have accepted the “patience” argument nearly 3 months ago, but now im sure we can all agree we’ve been “very” patient.
People have been kittening and moaning about no LW3 since January. That’s not being very patient until now.
And besides we have had the current events which have been very likely leading into LW3 for the past two months. Which is more than nothing.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
I would have accepted the “patience” argument nearly 3 months ago, but now im sure we can all agree we’ve been “very” patient.
People have been kittening and moaning about no LW3 since January. That’s not being very patient until now.
And besides we have had the current events which have been very likely leading into LW3 for the past two months. Which is more than nothing.
The events are cool, but a lot of players just want a date from ANet. We still don’t know when we will be getting it, and a lot of people are scared about that leaked report that said we would only be getting 1 S3 chapter every 2-3 months. If we have to wait this long just to get the first chapter then why are we gonna have to wait another 2-3 months just to get the next chapter in the story? I really hope that report was made up
Let me explain something here to be clear:
Its literally been nearly the exact same amount of time there was between Season 2 and HoT’s release in terms of a content gap, we’ve waited “that” long for new content.
The difference between HoT and Season 3, is that Heart of Thorns had trailers, content updates, news about things and teasers on the classes to keep us occupied while we waited.
This, is where Season 3 and Expansion 2 are lacking. There is nothing, no news, no insight, not a clue whats going on, and thats not a “good” thing.
Its not good to keep people in the dark forever because while it can be okay to promise nothing until you deliver it, it also creates paranoia that may even be justified.
What “if” all we get when LS3 starts is one small new zone less than 1/3rd the size of Dry top, and at most, 2 hours of new story?
Do you honestly think thats going to sit well with the people that waited 9-10 months or so for something new to do in the main world?
Hell no.
This is the great danger of silence, silence isnt golden, silence is dangerous.
Not telling people what you’re up to basically creates a LACK of hype, it creates a LACK of expectation.
And if that lack turns out to be justified…
Then you wasted everyones time, and trust me, a “LARGE” portion of the player base “WILL” decide that they’ve had enough until the attitude changes.
You can wait for a nice delicious pie all you want but if it turns out to be a pie you waited nearly 10 months for to get a tiny thing the size of a cup cake with no nutritional value, no depth, and no taste.
It will “not” have been worth the wait.
So yes, a hype, a tease, is better in every way, it gives us something to be distracted by, to create expectation and be dissapointed, but at least then we have “something” to be expecting “of” in the first place, and if its good, all the better.
I remember when LS1 ended, it was amazing, the closure was teased for several months beforehand and when it finally did close, boy was it a hell of a finale.
Season 2, ended on a pretty solid cliffhanger and an amazingly well done teaser for HoT.
So why is Season 3 failing?
Simple:
We dont have a clue, what season 3 is even about, or what to expect, we dont have a concept art, a screenshot, we dont have a trailer, we dont even have a music piece.
We dont have, anything.
That void, is not healthy for people, it just makes you uncertain if theres even anything going on, and lets be honest, A-net, you made 3 legendaries in HoT and it took you nearly a quater of a year just to finish a FORTH.
What facinates me and leaves me dumbstruck, is the same CANNOT be said of the PvP E-sport push OR the Raiding content. Both have had PLENTY of hype and teasers before going forwards and yet S3…
Nothing.
Expansion 2?
Nothing.
We “need” something, its time, its OVER-Due.
I’m not sure I understand…are you saying that ArenaNet should announce that the upcoming released content is ‘one small new zone less than 1/3rd the size of Dry top, and at most, 2 hours of new story’?
And that would make everyone feel better, feel happy? I just don’t see that happening. If the content is that disappointing, I’m not sure any kind of ‘hype’ will make it less so.
At least this way, we might have fewer posts claiming ArenaNet lied and didn’t keep their promises. Might.
Then stop ‘waiting.’
Play the game that’s in front of you. When it no longer entertains you, go play another game. When you think there might be something entertaining to come back to, then come back.
Playing now for what you think might be coming in the future is a futile and frustrating waste of time; a rather silly thing to do overall. Your time in the present is too valuable to waste on hype for the future.
~EW
You make entirely too much sense for the internet.
I’m not sure I understand…are you saying that ArenaNet should announce that the upcoming released content is ‘one small new zone less than 1/3rd the size of Dry top, and at most, 2 hours of new story’?
More like, if it’s only that, no amount of silence is going to help. But if they do have something that would satisfy people, then giving people at least some hints would be far better. It’s easier to keep people in the game, than make them return once they have already left.
And that would make everyone feel better, feel happy? I just don’t see that happening. If the content is that disappointing, I’m not sure any kind of ‘hype’ will make it less so.
Of course. No amount of silence is going to help either.
At least this way, we might have fewer posts claiming ArenaNet lied and didn’t keep their promises.
Definitely, if only because there will be less people left in the game to make those posts.
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I would have accepted the “patience” argument nearly 3 months ago, but now im sure we can all agree we’ve been “very” patient.
I would not agree with that. Some of us have been; a lot of us have not. The original post in this thread is an example of that. It explicitly says that the OP does not want to be patient, that being patient hurts the game.
The argument is: if ANet doesn’t tell us anything, the actual release can’t live up to our imaginations.
Of course, if ANet hypes (as they did in the Era of the Colin Hype Train™ ), then the argument is that nothing they did lived up to the hype either, because we read too much into what they say.
If you really want to be patient, instead of posting doom & gloom, wait. Wait for the actual release and then say whether you liked it or not. Ideally, offer constructive criticism or what you’d prefer to see.
tl;dr can’t usefully criticize the game plan until after the game has played, to see whether it succeeded or not.
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welp……we technically got something…..a forum post. I guess that counts?
welp……we technically got something…..a forum post. I guess that counts?
There’s a trailer too. Mostly stuff we’ve already seen but it’s…something.
This, is where Season 3 and Expansion 2 are lacking. There is nothing, no news, no insight, not a clue whats going on, and thats not a “good” thing.
Opinion, not an explanation.
Its not good to keep people in the dark forever because while it can be okay to promise nothing until you deliver it, it also creates paranoia that may even be justified.
Opinion, unjustified speculation, innuendo and propaganda. “May even be justified.” Lets just try to incite panic shall we?
What “if” all we get when LS3 starts is one small new zone less than 1/3rd the size of Dry top, and at most, 2 hours of new story?
I’m sure the world will end Chicken Little.
This is the great danger of silence, silence isnt golden, silence is dangerous.
Not telling people what you’re up to basically creates a LACK of hype, it creates a LACK of expectation.
And if that lack turns out to be justified…
I’ll say it again in a different way, “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”
Then you wasted everyones time, and trust me, a “LARGE” portion of the player base “WILL” decide that they’ve had enough until the attitude changes.
You can wait for a nice delicious pie all you want but if it turns out to be a pie you waited nearly 10 months for to get a tiny thing the size of a cup cake with no nutritional value, no depth, and no taste.
It will “not” have been worth the wait.
If… If… If… If… If… If… If… If…
So why is Season 3 failing?
A: It’s not.
We dont have a clue, what season 3 is even about, or what to expect, we dont have a concept art, a screenshot, we dont have a trailer, we dont even have a music piece.
We dont have, anything.
That void, is not healthy for people, it just makes you uncertain if theres even anything going on, and lets be honest, A-net, you made 3 legendaries in HoT and it took you nearly a quater of a year just to finish a FORTH.
I was wondering why I like I needed to go to the doctor. No information about L3 has made me ill.
What facinates me and leaves me dumbstruck, is the same CANNOT be said of the PvP E-sport push OR the Raiding content. Both have had PLENTY of hype and teasers before going forwards and yet S3…
Nothing.
Expansion 2?
Nothing.
We “need” something, its time, its OVER-Due.
Could you be more dramatic?
I don’t believe, season 3 will suffer because of anything you said. Those are just your opinions although you seem to think you had to “explain something to make it clear” as if they are facts. “Let’s be honest”, it is just the ranting of a petulant person who is not getting his way.
IMO Season 3 will not suffer for any of the reasons you gave.
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Pretty much the issue im trying to point out, waiting so long means that like Duke Nukem Forever or any other franchise that takes forever to be a thing, once it finally does come out, players will have such a high expectation, it wont be able to reach their demands.
A-net is trying to hold things off, it will either pay off with more than an amazing level of shock and awe…
Or…
It will be an example of where too much silence, is as bad as too little.
I really doubt they are purposely holding things off just to build hype.
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Disagree.
Mo’s entire mantra since he took over from Colin as been “show, not tell” for a very good reason.
Anet has developed quite the reputation of overpromising and underdelivering. By promising nothing, Anet doesn’t engender a culture of ‘but you said we’d get so much stuff!’
What they have done is sewn the seeds for the plot directly within the wolrd, which is a far better way to build excitement, again by showing, not telling. We know that the bandits are in lauge with the white mantle, we know that the leyline energy of two dead elder dragons is starting to create strange magical anomalies, and we also know that the White Mantle is the primary initial antagonist.
Beyond that we know very little, which is as it should be, because Anets goal is to get you to log in to see that story (and when you’re logged in, hey, maybe you visit the gem store and buy some LS3 themed skins and other crap!)
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Well . . . the honeymoon is definitely over. . . .
You didn’t give it a very long time. So far, MO’s delivered on the few promises he’s made. I’m not sure why you’re losing faith in him now, unless you never had much faith before.
For my part, I never put any faith in anything that developers say. I don’t play the game they promised to deliver; I play the one that is on my computer.
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