Guild Wars 2

Hello,

Just wanted to ask if the Selfless Potion will be available in the gem shop or laurel merchant etc. in the future? At least I couldn’t find it for sale anywhere in the game at the moment.

I hope not, since that would trivialize the time people who actually earned it spent on it.

It was a reward purchasable during the attack on Lion’s Arch.

Filaha.1678:

I hope not, since that would trivialize the time people who actually earned it spent on it.

It was a reward purchasable during the attack on Lion’s Arch.

Got it myself. Would not care if it was put up on the Gem Store or Laurel Merchants. It wasn’t hard to get at all. People need to stop acting like everything you can’t get anymore was as hard as pulling teeth to get in the first place, Geesh!

Filaha.1678:

I hope not, since that would trivialize the time people who actually earned it spent on it.

It was a reward purchasable during the attack on Lion’s Arch.

Doesn’t really matter, so long as the amount of effort required to get it stays the same.

Vexander.9850:

Filaha.1678:

I hope not, since that would trivialize the time people who actually earned it spent on it.

It was a reward purchasable during the attack on Lion’s Arch.

Got it myself. Would not care if it was put up on the Gem Store or Laurel Merchants. It wasn’t hard to get at all. People need to stop acting like everything you can’t get anymore was as hard as pulling teeth to get in the first place, Geesh!

Didn’t say it was hard. Strawmen don’t fight back, but you gain nothing by being able to best them.

It consumed time and resources. Had I not spent those resources on the Selfless and Thoughtless Potions, I could have spent them on other items offered by the same trader.

By putting it up on the gem shop so that anyone with a few dollars can buy it, then I’d have to question each time they put up a special reward for an event whether it’s worth it to put the time and effort into working for it while forsaking more potentially useful rewards, if I could just potentially drop an hour from a paycheque into the game and buy the same thing later.

Why bother putting in anything for special rewards if you’re just going to offer it for sale later?

I’d be just as annoyed if I farmed out 2,000 geodes for a good set of bug weapon skins, just to find out next month that they put the bug weapon skins on the gem store for a couple hundred gems each. Because while it isn’t hard to get geodes, I could have used those geodes on 100+ lockpicks that would get me ascended materials which are actually useful and potentially get me kites to sell.

Well the other living story items are on the laurel merchant, no matter how hard they were to obtain. :S So I wish there was a way to obtain this item too, it doesn’t have to be easy I just want a way to be able to obtain it.

I’d rather they be put on the Laurel Merchant than the gem store because then you have to at least invest a good amount of time for it…

That being said i hope i could buy the thoughtless potion at some point for Laurels since i was stupidly lazy and didn’t finish getting it since i was like “Oh i’ve got time”…

Sebulon.7683:

Well the other living story items are on the laurel merchant, no matter how hard they were to obtain. :S So I wish there was a way to obtain this item too, it doesn’t have to be easy I just want a way to be able to obtain it.

This i think is an okay way to handle it.
The items are pretty expensive for cosmetic items – 15 gold and 25 laurels isn’t nothing. It takes a while to get – its effort and pretty grindy. This way it still takes effort to get all these things (although i do think the items that were hardest to get should be the most expensive here), yet they aren’t unobtainable just because people weren’t there at the time. Being there would have been a much more fun way to get them than just grinding gold and waiting for laurels again, but they’re still obtainable.
I have most of the S1 rewards i would want, bar the SAB items, so i’d be okay if they were for sale at the laurel merchants for a pretty hefty fee (i.e. takes effort).
I don’t like the idea of having them in the gem shop though.

Spyritdragon.6048:

Sebulon.7683:

Well the other living story items are on the laurel merchant, no matter how hard they were to obtain. :S So I wish there was a way to obtain this item too, it doesn’t have to be easy I just want a way to be able to obtain it.

This i think is an okay way to handle it.
The items are pretty expensive for cosmetic items – 15 gold and 25 laurels isn’t nothing. It takes a while to get – its effort and pretty grindy. This way it still takes effort to get all these things (although i do think the items that were hardest to get should be the most expensive here), yet they aren’t unobtainable just because people weren’t there at the time. Being there would have been a much more fun way to get them than just grinding gold and waiting for laurels again, but they’re still obtainable.
I have most of the S1 rewards i would want, bar the SAB items, so i’d be okay if they were for sale at the laurel merchants for a pretty hefty fee (i.e. takes effort).
I don’t like the idea of having them in the gem shop though.

At 25 laurels they would require a bit over 5x(takes around 30 minutes per daily and around 45 minutes to grab all the heirlooms) the original time investment. Seems like more than enough of a “late fee”. The original also cost 10g so 15g isn’t that big of an increase from there.

Putting it in the gem store would definitely be more problematic.

Sebulon.7683:

Well the other living story items are on the laurel merchant, no matter how hard they were to obtain. :S So I wish there was a way to obtain this item too, it doesn’t have to be easy I just want a way to be able to obtain it.

Not all of them though, only the ones that were “guaranteed drops” for their cycles. Most of them were the meta rewards, which were designed so that pretty much everyone had them, or the zeph items that were priced in the zephyrite clearing house model that ensured they were easy to get. The laurel mthod is good for this as those items are now significantly harder to obtain than they were when they were intended as trophies of simply being there as events unfolded. Essentially, they’re antiques and demand a premium from players that want those relics of a bygone era.

The selfless potion was on a separate reward tier, like several of the more rare LS items, which was an item which was purposely made more difficult to get in order to make it more rare.

It’s true that moving forward the LS rewards are more or less permanent additions to the game, so it might feel appropriate to give everyone some kind of access to the whole pool of past rewards as well, but they need to match the requirements in time/effort of their original acquisition. Simple gem store purchases aren’t the right way to go, but adding them to the reward vendor of similar content in the future wouldn’t feel all that out of place.

Keep hoping to see this on the laurel merchant since I was away during the event. I’ve been stockpiling laurels in case.

Khisanth.2948:

Spyritdragon.6048:

Sebulon.7683:

Well the other living story items are on the laurel merchant, no matter how hard they were to obtain. :S So I wish there was a way to obtain this item too, it doesn’t have to be easy I just want a way to be able to obtain it.

This i think is an okay way to handle it.
The items are pretty expensive for cosmetic items – 15 gold and 25 laurels isn’t nothing. It takes a while to get – its effort and pretty grindy. This way it still takes effort to get all these things (although i do think the items that were hardest to get should be the most expensive here), yet they aren’t unobtainable just because people weren’t there at the time. Being there would have been a much more fun way to get them than just grinding gold and waiting for laurels again, but they’re still obtainable.
I have most of the S1 rewards i would want, bar the SAB items, so i’d be okay if they were for sale at the laurel merchants for a pretty hefty fee (i.e. takes effort).
I don’t like the idea of having them in the gem shop though.

At 25 laurels they would require a bit over 5x(takes around 30 minutes per daily and around 45 minutes to grab all the heirlooms) the original time investment. Seems like more than enough of a “late fee”. The original also cost 10g so 15g isn’t that big of an increase from there.

Putting it in the gem store would definitely be more problematic.

Yeah, what i meant is – they should be proportionate to what they cost earlier. It makes little sense for the Baby Dolyak Tonic to be the same price as, say, the Mask of the Night.

Vexander.9850:

Filaha.1678:

I hope not, since that would trivialize the time people who actually earned it spent on it.

It was a reward purchasable during the attack on Lion’s Arch.

Got it myself. Would not care if it was put up on the Gem Store or Laurel Merchants. It wasn’t hard to get at all. People need to stop acting like everything you can’t get anymore was as hard as pulling teeth to get in the first place, Geesh!

It’s wasn’t hard, just very very grindy.

I don’t love the idea of past living story rewards being made available at all, but I certainly prefer distribution through the laurel vendor over the gem store. Never, NEVER the gem store.

Filaha.1678:

Vexander.9850:

Filaha.1678:

I hope not, since that would trivialize the time people who actually earned it spent on it.

It was a reward purchasable during the attack on Lion’s Arch.

Got it myself. Would not care if it was put up on the Gem Store or Laurel Merchants. It wasn’t hard to get at all. People need to stop acting like everything you can’t get anymore was as hard as pulling teeth to get in the first place, Geesh!

Didn’t say it was hard. Strawmen don’t fight back, but you gain nothing by being able to best them.

It consumed time and resources. Had I not spent those resources on the Selfless and Thoughtless Potions, I could have spent them on other items offered by the same trader.

By putting it up on the gem shop so that anyone with a few dollars can buy it, then I’d have to question each time they put up a special reward for an event whether it’s worth it to put the time and effort into working for it while forsaking more potentially useful rewards, if I could just potentially drop an hour from a paycheque into the game and buy the same thing later.

Why bother putting in anything for special rewards if you’re just going to offer it for sale later?

I’d be just as annoyed if I farmed out 2,000 geodes for a good set of bug weapon skins, just to find out next month that they put the bug weapon skins on the gem store for a couple hundred gems each. Because while it isn’t hard to get geodes, I could have used those geodes on 100+ lockpicks that would get me ascended materials which are actually useful and potentially get me kites to sell.

Well to be fair, you DO put time and effort into getting your money to buy things off the Gem Store. Its just done in a different format. I see no reason to punish people who are late-adopters of the game or those who may not have been playing during the time of an item’s release.

Me for example, I wasn’t around/on a server capable of doing Tequatl when the event was big. So I never got the Wings of the Sunless… and to be fair, I’d LOVE to buy them in Gem Store or earn them via in game events somehow. So who am I to say other people can’t have something I put my time into (playing the game) in another avenue that they put their time into (working a job/extra hours).

This is a cosmetic item, same with the other potion that gives you floating horns.

Nobody is being “punished” for being “late-adopters” of the game. This does not grant any boons, any combat advantages, or effects any part of the game besides giving an aesthetic halo/horns to the player character that gets disabled every time you zone, get downed, or die.

They were not achievement items so they were not put into the laurel merchant. The baby dolyak potion and panda mini were not achievement items either, but they were added as festival rewards for those who already had them all as an incentive to run the little races and kill the bosses at the Pavilion. The Halloween items were put there because at that time ArenaNet decided to mix the Living World with Holidays.

Key word: Incentive. Why go through all the trouble of attending a limited time event (Siege of Lion’s Arch), go through all the trouble of finding heirlooms during that limited time, and spend the 10g per potion when months later they get added as gemstore items?

That is a huge slap to the face to those who worked for them. No, simply no. Would be fine if ArenaNet added them permanently in some event or minigame which required the player to collect time-gated tokens just like we did. But it still doesn’t address the fact that this was meant to be a limited time item exclusive to those who attended, yes, exclusive. Big scary word, oooo.

When the event was released, we were all under the assumption that the chance to acquire these potions was going to be gone after 2 weeks. At that time, for the first few days, we also didn’t know all of the locations of the heirlooms so in the duration of those 2 weeks we thought you could only get one based on your character’s reason for collecting them, selfless or thoughtless, for personal gain or to give back to those who lost everything. All that rushing, all that effort, would be for nothing if they were simply added to the gemstore.

Rainin.9812:

Filaha.1678:

Vexander.9850:

Filaha.1678:

I hope not, since that would trivialize the time people who actually earned it spent on it.

It was a reward purchasable during the attack on Lion’s Arch.

Got it myself. Would not care if it was put up on the Gem Store or Laurel Merchants. It wasn’t hard to get at all. People need to stop acting like everything you can’t get anymore was as hard as pulling teeth to get in the first place, Geesh!

Didn’t say it was hard. Strawmen don’t fight back, but you gain nothing by being able to best them.

It consumed time and resources. Had I not spent those resources on the Selfless and Thoughtless Potions, I could have spent them on other items offered by the same trader.

By putting it up on the gem shop so that anyone with a few dollars can buy it, then I’d have to question each time they put up a special reward for an event whether it’s worth it to put the time and effort into working for it while forsaking more potentially useful rewards, if I could just potentially drop an hour from a paycheque into the game and buy the same thing later.

Why bother putting in anything for special rewards if you’re just going to offer it for sale later?

I’d be just as annoyed if I farmed out 2,000 geodes for a good set of bug weapon skins, just to find out next month that they put the bug weapon skins on the gem store for a couple hundred gems each. Because while it isn’t hard to get geodes, I could have used those geodes on 100+ lockpicks that would get me ascended materials which are actually useful and potentially get me kites to sell.

Well to be fair, you DO put time and effort into getting your money to buy things off the Gem Store. Its just done in a different format. I see no reason to punish people who are late-adopters of the game or those who may not have been playing during the time of an item’s release.

Me for example, I wasn’t around/on a server capable of doing Tequatl when the event was big. So I never got the Wings of the Sunless… and to be fair, I’d LOVE to buy them in Gem Store or earn them via in game events somehow. So who am I to say other people can’t have something I put my time into (playing the game) in another avenue that they put their time into (working a job/extra hours).

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to earn rewards late, like the wings of the sunless, but the logic of “I work hard for my IRL money so that should translate to farming in game” is flawed.

These are not comparable activities because 800 gems may cost me a lot less in “real dollars” than they cost you simply because we live in different places, make different amounts of money, have different levels of living/family expenses, or whatever reason. Some people make 800 gems every five minutes in interest from having money in the bank.

In game our earning power is normalized by the strictures of the rules of play. This is why they made the old LS rewards laurel-based, to ensure those that wanted to be late adopters had to earn them rather than cash in gems>gold and pick them up with little to no effort. It ensures that all players that want to pick them up have equal earning power so as not to trivialize the acquisition of what are “antique and limited edition” rewards.

There are already a dizzying array of skins and items designed around gem purchases, which are far easier to obtain by spending your real money, and that’s okay, because that’s their permanent acquisition model. LS rewards are simply on a different account-bound acquisition model to ensure that nobody can simply buy them with some gold or gems, and that doesn’t need to be disrupted.

You make a good point. I agree partially. I just see someone that earns them in game as saving their money and they get more of the satisfaction out of it. If they made a model that allowed you somehow to go back and earn these things (laurels or whatever), I’d be okay with that.

Though if they made them available in Gem Store I wouldn’t really care either. If I earned it in game, good for me, I saved money. If I didn’t, then cool I still get a chance at the aesthetic prize, but theres a price to pay for missing out on its original release.

Rainin.9812:

You make a good point. I agree partially. I just see someone that earns them in game as saving their money and they get more of the satisfaction out of it. If they made a model that allowed you somehow to go back and earn these things (laurels or whatever), I’d be okay with that.

Though if they made them available in Gem Store I wouldn’t really care either. If I earned it in game, good for me, I saved money. If I didn’t, then cool I still get a chance at the aesthetic prize, but theres a price to pay for missing out on its original release.

They already did for most of the season 1 meta rewards. Some are missing, but a good/easy way to do the teq wings would be to add them to his meta-achievement along with the title. It’s harder to get than when it was a “common drop” and would somewhat approximate what the original acquisition model was while requiring a little extra effort to get them as your “late penalty”