Guild Wars 2

From the very start, I have had a nagging suspicion that Rytlock’s interest in Rox was more than him seeing some vague promise in her.

My theory is that Rytlock and Rox are father and daughter (but that Rox might not be aware of it). I can only offer some minor circumstantial evidence for this theory, though:

1. The aforementioned matter of why Rytlock would even give Rox half the opportunities he gives her.
2. In The Dragon’s Reach Part 1, Rytlock is surprisingly mild towards Rox’ insubordination. Sure, he rubs her nose in it, but there are no consequences for her. Not even a “we’ll talk about this later”-threat.

What clinches it for me, however, is one other thing in the “Cleansing the Foefire” instance. When Rox spits on the ground for luck right before the final fight starts, Rytlock very uncharacteristically chuckles and comments that she already used to do that as a cub. Not only does this show that Rox has endeared herself to him, but also that Rytlock has known her (or at least observed her) since her cubhood.

Now why would one of the most battle-hardened and embittered charr officers have a soft spot for a young cub in a fahrar, whom he has apparently continued to keep an eye on for most of her life?
In fact, why would a Blood Legion Tribune and mighty dragonslaying hero even be considering a young, inexperienced gladium for membership in his very prestigious warband? Especially if the gladium’s only achievement at the time consisted of surviving a mining accident through sheer luck?

I believe because he is her father.

I also believe that Rox does not know it. Not only is she terrified of Rytlock’s wrath, and believes him capable of killing her on the spot for insubordination (which is legal for charr, apparently) – while a blood relation would warrant her to expect at least the slack he apparently gives her. Rox also does not mention her own parentage with Braham on any of the many occasions when he moans about Eir, while it would potentially be something they could bond over.

It would effectively turn the whole setup for Destiny’s Edge 2.0 into: “Parental Issues And Fixations: The Team! Raging teenagers, gather!”

Excellent.

Wasn’t it confirmed somewhere in living story 1 that they are brother and sister? Same mother but different fathers.

CaboSoul.1204:

Wasn’t it confirmed somewhere in living story 1 that they are brother and sister? Same mother but different fathers.

If it is, I would love to see a link.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

2. In The Dragon’s Reach Part 1, Rytlock is surprisingly mild towards Rox’ insubordination. Sure, he rubs her nose in it, but there are no consequences for her. Not even a “we’ll talk about this later”-threat.

On this one in particular, that’s because Rytlock agrees with Rox’s call. He just doesn’t want to let her off the hook because she’s already too loose about following orders.

Haha, I admit I would find it very amusing if they pulled a Darth Vader on us!

I thought something was mentioned somewhere on their relationship… but I’m not finding it at the moment.

I don’t lean towards the father / daughter relationship personally, more bother / sister, but I could be wrong. Still, it’s pretty obvious from the delegation short story and from the interactions of the LS that they do have some type of past history. As charr don’t really recognize familial bonds the same way humans do (the fahrar and then the warband is their ‘family’), it’s hard to tell. They only really seem to acknowledge blood relationships when absolutely necessary.

Ah ha, here we go:
Rox and Rytlock being half-siblings is information gleaned from the datamined Season 1 ending, much of which was later changed (including the removal of any mention of that info). It was obviously planned at one stage, then, and all of Rox and Rytlock’s interactions were probably written with it in mind, but since it never appears in-game we should only consider it “semi-canon”, that is, canon until it gets contradicted (which it easily could be, since there’s nothing obligating it to remain part of ANet’s plans). So any mention of it on the wiki should come with a disclaimer, maybe in a footnote or something. –Santax

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/User_talk:Santax/Archive_5#Rox_and_Rytlock_relation
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/20w3zg/spoilers_how_the_living_story_ending_was_changed/

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I thought something was mentioned somewhere on their relationship… but I’m not finding it at the moment.

I don’t lean towards the father / daughter relationship personally, more bother / sister, but I could be wrong. Still, it’s pretty obvious from the delegation short story and from the interactions of the LS that they do have some type of past history. As charr don’t really recognize familial bonds the same way humans do (the fahrar and then the warband is their ‘family’), it’s hard to tell. They only really seem to acknowledge blood relationships when absolutely necessary.

True and not. While that is indeed the basics of their society, there are several charr NPCs all through (Aside from LA charr, that is.) that have been given the choice to raise their own children. It hints, and I believe the dialogue itself confirms, that should a father/mother wish to raise their own children they are welcome to do so, and while looked down as an oddity, it is becoming more prominent for the “new generation charr” or charr adapting to the more peaceful times.
This of course doesn’t apply to Rytlock, but it shows charr still value the blood binding quite a lot. (Per example; Charr main character storyline is hardcore about the importance of your sire. It is the only storyline aside from one human choice where an ark completely focused on following your father adamantly, and not because you “have to”, but because Rytlock believes you will want to know.)

This is also shown through Almorra and Ebonhawke’s siege; She states it breaks her heart to have her child killed, and it will take her time to recover, but she couldn’t ignore the menace that Ajax was as much as she may have wanted to.

CaboSoul.1204:

Wasn’t it confirmed somewhere in living story 1 that they are brother and sister? Same mother but different fathers.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/User_talk:Santax/Archive_5#Rox_and_Rytlock_relation
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/20w3zg/spoilers_how_the_living_story_ending_was_changed/

I guess I got it from rumors and other stuff, oh well.

Anmida.4058:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I thought something was mentioned somewhere on their relationship… but I’m not finding it at the moment.

I don’t lean towards the father / daughter relationship personally, more bother / sister, but I could be wrong. Still, it’s pretty obvious from the delegation short story and from the interactions of the LS that they do have some type of past history. As charr don’t really recognize familial bonds the same way humans do (the fahrar and then the warband is their ‘family’), it’s hard to tell. They only really seem to acknowledge blood relationships when absolutely necessary.

True and not. While that is indeed the basics of their society, there are several charr NPCs all through (Aside from LA charr, that is.) that have been given the choice to raise their own children. It hints, and I believe the dialogue itself confirms, that should a father/mother wish to raise their own children they are welcome to do so, and while looked down as an oddity, it is becoming more prominent for the “new generation charr” or charr adapting to the more peaceful times.
This of course doesn’t apply to Rytlock, but it shows charr still value the blood binding quite a lot. (Per example; Charr main character storyline is hardcore about the importance of your sire. It is the only storyline aside from one human choice where an ark completely focused on following your father adamantly, and not because you “have to”, but because Rytlock believes you will want to know.)

This is also shown through Almorra and Ebonhawke’s siege; She states it breaks her heart to have her child killed, and it will take her time to recover, but she couldn’t ignore the menace that Ajax was as much as she may have wanted to.

I hadn’t seen dialog regarding Charr parents opting to raise their own cubs (not surprising, I haven’t fine tooth combed BC and the Ascalon quite yet), though I’m sure the instinct to do so and thus not meet the cultural status quo exists. Yes, I can see how the more traditional Charr would see that as an oddity, and even potentially look down on that method, considering how important fahrar bonding and warband cohesiveness is in their culture.

I wasn’t implying that they didn’t acknowledge the familial bonds at all, but they don’t do it the same way humans do either. Yes, in the charr personal stories, chapter 2 deals with your sire, but its very loosely because you’re his child in 2 of the 3. In one, it’s because he’s dead and you have an inheritance. In another, it’s because they want to pump you for information regarding him. in the last, its only because he’ll turn himself into you. Yes, these are tired very loosely to the blood relationship, but honestly could have been done for a lot of other reasons as well, with potentially more validity.

Yes, Almorra shows that even though their culture doesn’t revolve around blood based family groups, parents do still care for their children. This only really shows that Charr aren’t emotionless monsters. However, you’ll note that she never once mentions that the person she is sending us after is her son. We have to find that out from one of his lackies… The blood relationship is completely unimportant until that time.

Rox and Rytlock are more like brother/sister in their interactions then father/daughter.

Hmm, I could see the family resemblance.
…if Rox didn’t have those freakishly large eyes. =P

Rauderi.8706:

Hmm, I could see the family resemblance.
…if Rox didn’t have those freakishly large eyes. =P

I bet her mother was the kawaiiest charr to live up to Rytlock-senpai’s love, finally birthing Rox after all their… other applicable japanesse labels love-making.

…the only resemblance between them is their red hair. Rox has just as much chance of being Tybalt’s secret niece.

I had the same feeling. It felt as if he was secretly her father, or foster parent, or some kind of parental figure to her. I hope it’s not true though.

We already have Braham and his mommy issues. Do we really need another family themed plotline?

The whole rytlock-rox-mutehero(us) in the LS was very interesting and raised some questions both new and on existing stuff u might have knew about them.

Also related to what the OP said, i knew from the start something will go wrong with the ritual…and i think Rytlock also was aware of that. Maybe that’s why he broke the ties with Rox (she’s on her own bla bla), before the ritual? Like a “you go on without me…i might not come back” thing (but said in his own typical cuddly way)….just so she can move on without him, in case something happens.

Also the fact he told us (the mute hero) that we should ask her for more details on why he let her go or something similar, at the end if i remember correctly….like something he didn’t want to confess in front of everyone & her.

Anyway personally the whole Rytlock-Rox thing (before and after the fight) was filled with emotion both good and sad. Out of all the stories i am personally very interested in this one.

Nilkemia.8507:

…the only resemblance between them is their red hair. Rox has just as much chance of being Tybalt’s secret niece.

She’s got hair like… [sniffle]… apples.
/cry

Rytlock is going through his mating season, so he choose Rox to brutally breed in front of everyone in the wild.
Charrs at their finest.
Also, Rox is pregnant.