Guild Wars 2

Hi guys !

First, ALERT SPOILER

If you didn’t finish yet the S2E06, go back.

I have already create a topic on a speculation (to me important) about the voice we heard at the end of the S2E05 :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/s2/Spoilers-Speculations-The-voice/page/2#post4568214

Okay, now I want to talk about a speculation.

I just replayed the S2E06. And I noticed what Eir told us
“But Glint never she had an egg. I would have…”

I don’t finish the book yet guys, but I am sure that Eir got an intuition here.

• First the voice. Clearly Glint is from the past. And we know a lot about the lore of GW1. But we CANNOT figure from who comes from the Voice yet.

• I remind you that the voice is really deep, powerful, and whatever…

• Caith stole the egg. “Not time to explain”.

• Again, earlier on facebook “I will bear your pain”. Caith definitively knows something, and she didn’t do that with bad attention.

• Here I want to put again the citation of Eir. But to talk about it more, I have to finish to book to be sure about the speculation.

What if we were wrong ? What if that wasn’t Glint’s egg ? What if that was an egg from … something else ? What if we got manipulate ? (by what, no idea haha)

I remind you that :

• Our character insistes about being discret. Someone apparently betrayed us.

• Traherne was the one who was surprised “WHAT, everyone knews that we would have a meeting ?!”

Well, I will probably have more speculations for later, and theories.
Don’t hesitate to talk about my theory.

neilug hyuga.5634:

• Our character insistes about being discret. Someone apparently betrayed us.

By telling anyone we’ve had connections with.

If my character were in the OoW, she would probably be ‘missed’ for being too big of a liability.
As it is, she’s Vigil and would probably be up for a court-martial is this were an official mission.

My character is in the Order of Whispers and I was (literally) rolling my eyes when she seemed desperate to make sure she’d told every single person in camp before heading out.

I’m going to be even more unimpressed when I come to do it on my charr. He’s a thief in the Order of Whispers and raised by the Ash Legion. His entire life is about stealth and secrecy. But it didn’t stop him blundering up to Tybalt and yelling questions about the Order and presumably it won’t stop him giving this away either.

neilug hyuga.5634:

What if we were wrong ? What if that wasn’t Glint’s egg ? What if that was an egg from … something else ? What if we got manipulate ? (by what, no idea haha)

1. Glint did have eggs. 21 to be precise were seen in GW1, according to another forum user (this is easily checkable with 30 minutes of gameplay, more or less).
2. Ogden was a member of the Brotherhood of the Dragon; the Brotherhood of the Dragon were Glint’s caretakers/followers. They protected Gleam, the only known hatched child of Glint’s, from the destroyers (as well as requested our aid in such defense).
3. Ogden states that is Glint’s Egg.

I think Ogden would know what he’s talking about when it comes to Glint.

This is probably another case of the players coming up with a better twist than the writers. But perhaps we can come up another twist that does fit with what we know?

• Maybe Caithe knows the egg is tainted by Mordremoth. (although this wouldn’t explain why she doesn’t just tell us)

• Maybe Caithe knows that where the master was taking the egg, was actually a place of considerable danger to our mission. (again, she could have told us if this were the case)

• Maybe Caithe is really Canach in disguise.

• Maybe the Ogden we met was an imposter, and we find a captured Ogden later on in the story.

• Caithe is being mind controlled by either Mordremoth or Faolain.

• Maybe Caithe secretly works for someone else who is interested in the egg. Maybe she is working for E? That would explain the secrecy.

I think Caithe is somehow being controlled by Faolain. Maybe her love for Faolain led her to believe that somehow she could heal her love from Nightmare by attempting a ritual with the egg, though that would be too much obssession with Faolain…

I look forward to comeback from Faolain not so far.

I think Caithe has a plan to use the egg to either restore the Pale Tree, or to rescue Rytlock.

I also believe that Caithe wants to take the egg to the Pale Tree. Remember that Caithe was also present at the World Summit. Perhaps she received a vision of her own.
Or perhaps it has to do with the secret that Scarlet alludes to. In this case, perhaps Caithe has received a Wyld Hunt some time ago that she has told nobody else about, and Scarlet might have found out while she was in Omadd’s machine.

(If you are a sylvari, you will be told that only two sylvari have received a Wyld Hunt vision of fighting a dragon in their Dream. You are one; Caithe is the other.)

In any case, I believe Caithe is taking the dragon egg to the Pale Tree, either because it is somehow needed to restore the Pale Tree, or because the Grove is the safest place to nurture and hatch the egg without the risk of Elder Dragon corruption.

I think she will deliver the egg to where MoP was taking it to she just knows how to hide in the shadows and avoid mordrem a lot better than someone who has spent most of their time traveling via airship.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

I also believe that Caithe wants to take the egg to the Pale Tree. Remember that Caithe was also present at the World Summit. Perhaps she received a vision of her own.
Or perhaps it has to do with the secret that Scarlet alludes to. In this case, perhaps Caithe has received a Wyld Hunt some time ago that she has told nobody else about, and Scarlet might have found out while she was in Omadd’s machine.

(If you are a sylvari, you will be told that only two sylvari have received a Wyld Hunt vision of fighting a dragon in their Dream. You are one; Caithe is the other.)

In any case, I believe Caithe is taking the dragon egg to the Pale Tree, either because it is somehow needed to restore the Pale Tree, or because the Grove is the safest place to nurture and hatch the egg without the risk of Elder Dragon corruption.

Wait… wasn’t Caithe’s Wild Hunt to kill all the Elder Dragons? If so, and if this egg could hatch out the next Elder Dragon-to-be…

(I don’t think this is what’s happening, but I guess it’s possible.)

the Dream is capable of showing not only the past and present, but also possible futures.
I think Caithe has been granted a vision of a future cataclysmic event through the Dream and it has something to do with the egg, so she took it in an attempt to prevent that future from taking place

The voice sounded exactly like the voice used for the eye of Zhaitan and the mouth of Zhaitan to me.

All I know is, I’m unofficially naming the baby dragon ‘McGuffin’

Would Mordremoth be able to corrupt the egg/baby dragon, considering Glint was one of Kralkatorrik’s champions? Can they corrupt each others minions?

Having said that I’ve suspected for a long time that the Pale Tree was supposed to be one of Mordremoth’s champions who was converted by Ventari’s tablet. I think this is why she’s so protective of The Dream and seems determine to push her children to be good and to fight the dragons, she knows what they would be without that influence.

I have a horrible feeling Caithe may be under Mordremoth’s influence, either knowingly or subconsciously and might be bringing the egg to him to be corrupted, or at least recruited.

Serophous.9085:

All I know is, I’m unofficially naming the baby dragon ‘McGuffin’

I second this! Puff McGuffin!

Jornophelanthas.1475:

I believe Caithe is taking the dragon egg to the Pale Tree, either because it is somehow needed to restore the Pale Tree

This was my thought. It would fit with having “no time to explain” and her intentions not seeming bad. The scene didn’t feel like a betrayal – it felt like “I have something I need to do and I don’t have time to explain why because the situation is dire.”

The pale tree’s health would fit with that, as it seems to have been damaged since the attack and has probably been dying since.

The only part that doesn’t fit is what a dragon egg would have to do with healing a tree. That aspect of it I’m blank on. Maybe if I knew more GW2 lore. I don’t even understand how the pale trees works as an entity or what the point of it is.

Was I the only person that noticed a purplish haze surrounding Caithe’s head and her eyes more of a purplish tint than normal during the last LS mission? Makes me think that she has in some way been corrupted and we are going to spend the rest of this season trying to track her down and retrieve the dragon egg to keep it safe.

Nah, I think that purplish haze is just the ambient purple lighting in the Labyrinth itself (especially noticeable once you rescue Kasmeer and she creates her light glow).

new theory:

what if the egg is needed to free rytlock somehow?

See, I remember the eggs in GW1. Plus I believe that glint would have given the Zephyrs the egg long before Eir met Glint, essentially invalidating any input Eir might have on the matter.

I think that Caithe needing the egg for the Pale Tree or to help Rytlock seems hokey. I would also sincerely hope aNet would rely on such a tied scheme as “that wasn’t Caithe”.

Also, having thought more about it, the voice of whoever gave the zephyrs the egg, I’m now convinced it was the same voice used by the bigger Zhaitan minions such as the mouth in the PS and the eye at the Source of Orr. But let’s put that aside for now…

Look at 4:30 in this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zNQNTgqeI2M

See that egg shaped object in that beam of golden light?

Caithe stole the egg to get it to the Pale Tree, not to help the Pale Tree, but to prepare the egg for use. The dragon in that egg needs to hatch, it needs to grow quickly through consuming magic, and the dragon needs to grow with an appreciation for intelligent life as Glint did. This dragon will be a replacement for Morty and/or Zhaitan. But, something else happens with it first.

Why does Caithe need to get it to the Pale Tree so fast? Because she must have been tasked with doing this. Remember, the Pale Tree told us she’s fading. She will die. There will be a replace…. Oh… What if the Pale Tree essentially dies and the dragon egg is used to absorb her magic, and that’s what hatches the egg and why Caithe needs to get it there so quickly?

Zaxares.5419:

Nah, I think that purplish haze is just the ambient purple lighting in the Labyrinth itself (especially noticeable once you rescue Kasmeer and she creates her light glow).

I second this. I have the light of Dwayna backpiece and the glow was purple/magenta instead of the usual off-white while in the Labyrinth.

Serophous.9085:

new theory:

what if the egg is needed to free rytlock somehow?

What if…. Rytlock is inside the egg? :o

Like, we know he’s totally being reborn, one way or another. Why not literally?

OK, wild speculation time…

Remember the Pale Tree’s vision after her avatar’s death. We see these beams of light protruding from the ground; and in one of these beams there’s a egg-shaped object that slowly descends as the scene moves below ground into a crystalline lair – I’m guessing it’s not Glint’s lair that we’ve already seen, but something to do with Kralkatorrik.

If Mordremoth is after Glint’s egg in order to corrupt her offspring, maybe Caithe is planning on placing the egg in some ‘nest’ at Kralkatorrik in order to bring Mordremoth to him. As in a way to oppose these two elder dragons against each other; in the vision we see the next transition as the crystalline lair is broken to shards as veins grow and permeat the picture; could this be Mordremoth intruding into Kralkatorrik’s territory – thus we get a confrontation of these two elder dragons?

We’re sure it’s Glint’s egg, but as was discussed on Reddit; do the dragons have eggs and procreate with only one parent, or is there a “father” of this egg… could that be Kralkatorrik?

OK… probably rambling and many holes to this theory – just wanted to throw it out there.

Recon.9461:

Was I the only person that noticed a purplish haze surrounding Caithe’s head and her eyes more of a purplish tint than normal during the last LS mission? Makes me think that she has in some way been corrupted and we are going to spend the rest of this season trying to track her down and retrieve the dragon egg to keep it safe.

My game bugged out when I entered the Labrynth so it wasn’t dark or anything. I can say that her face looked normal for me, no change noticed. It was most probably due to the effect of the purple light and the darkness.

Caithe brings the egg to the Pale Tree because the Pale Tree wants to raise a (Young) dragon to oppose the Elder ones. It will be infused with the magic of the Pale Tree that she will release into him upon her death (the death of her consciousness, not her physical death, the Sylvari will continue to emerge from pods on the Pale Tree) and it will continue to protect the Dream and the Sylvari. Also, this way the Pale Tree will indeed be reborn as a Dragon, and the Sylvari will be its minions. But this time it will be a Young Dragon, protecting Tyria against the Elder Dragons. Also, in the future, we will see the Nightmare court and other factions trying to get hold of this hatchling in order to divert it for their own purposes.

Zaxares.5419:

Nah, I think that purplish haze is just the ambient purple lighting in the Labyrinth itself (especially noticeable once you rescue Kasmeer and she creates her light glow).

That or she is the reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix.