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Did anyone else have a WTF moment when Marjory spoke her mind? I wanted to hit her with my greatsword so bad. What’s got her attitudinal?!

I don’t get it either. It is obvious that she is an independent person, but she has always followed the commanders orders. She even has reminded others in the group that the commander was in charge. All of the sudden, she is telling the commander, “Kitten off! You’re not the boss of me!” Poor continuity of character.

WTF is right.

I only hope that this was intentionel not someone just being kitten y….

and that we will come to see why she have behaved like that….

Same here, I wanted there to be an option to kick her out of the guild. Maybe it’s not too late to recruit the little Norn girl from Eir’s memorial.

Really? I thought the problem was with our character to be honest. Usually we are more willing to let our team members do their own thing and meet back later. Now it suddenly was an issue.

Personally i don’t think my toon should be ordering everyone around and having Marjory go off with Lazarus to keep an eye on him seemed like a good idea. Not sure what our objection was – she can clearly handle herself and Lazarus wanted to harm her, well he would have done so by now.

I admittedly never liked Marjory, so her aloof and me-first attitude didn’t strike me as odd here because she’s rubbed me up the wrong way in similar ways before. Never had the sense that she really gives a toss about anyone who isn’t Kasmeer, so she can walk off a cliff without a glider as far as I’m concerned. :p

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

RyuDragnier.9476:

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

I was thinking the same way. I don’t feel she would actually betray the Commander. She is basically doing what she does best which is investigate.

Teleoceras.1298:

RyuDragnier.9476:

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

I was thinking the same way. I don’t feel she would actually betray the Commander. She is basically doing what she does best which is investigate.

Plus her acting the way she did is essentially ‘bait’ for Lazarus. If he is trying to manipulate us, he’ll see what Marjory said as a possible rift to exploit. Which is most likely something she wants.

Her response seemed surprising and out of character to me as well. Even if she disagreed with the Commander’s position on the topic of Lazarus, I think the way she communicated her disagreement was out of character. Maybe that wasn’t Marjory… I wonder if that was more of that “Mesmer magic” and that was someone like Countess Anise in disguise, doing what she felt she needed to do to get close to Lazarus so she could infiltrate one of the Shining Blade’s oldest foes…

Teleoceras.1298:

RyuDragnier.9476:

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

I was thinking the same way. I don’t feel she would actually betray the Commander. She is basically doing what she does best which is investigate.

Exactly! Marjory’s job is a detective. It’s either this or she got into an argument with Kas and the emotional turmoil is making her make stupid decisions. Maybe that’s why we haven’t seen Kas at all in LS3. I love Kasjory though so I’m hoping that theory is wrong. Please just let it be Marjory doing her job as a detective.

mrauls.6519:

Did anyone else have a WTF moment when Marjory spoke her mind?

If memory serves, in LS3 S01 we officially declined the position of Pact Commander when it was offered to us – we still retain the title, more or less, but I for one am not sure what we’re actually commanding, if we command anything at all. The members of our guild aren’t soldiers ( Rytlock and Rox aside, but they don’t strike me as typical, order-following soldiers, either – see Rytlock’s current problems with the Citadel ).

We as the player seem to have been saddled with the position of guild spokesperson, a go-to-face if you will, but to me that does not imply that our guild members must do everything we say: Dragon’s Watch is not a military structure with someone at the top giving the orders. The wiki states that all current members are founding members, not our underlings.

To get to the point: nope, I didn’t have any WTF moment whatsoever when one of the members of Dragon’s Watch decided to speak their mind. We can debate whether or not it’s out of character for Marjory to do so, but she certainly has the right to do so, and we do not have the right to tell her not to. We’re not Marjory’s commanding officer, and she’s not a soldier. At the most, we can advise her that her decision to try to ‘monitor’ Lazarus is stupid/dangerous. What she does in the end is still up to her.

( Personally, that whole sequence was one big WTF moment for me, though in a different way. Lazarus absorbed a whole Bloodstone’s worth of power. What’s Jory gonna do if he decides to do away with her? Nothing, that’s what. )

I agree with Musashi. Belinda’s fate must still weigh heavily on Marjory’s mind. It hasn’t been that long since her death. With Lazarus coming back from the dead, there is definitely some degree of interest in Marjory to study him.

I am a bit surprised that Lazarus wanted to help us at all, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Randulf.7614:

Really? I thought the problem was with our character to be honest. Usually we are more willing to let our team members do their own thing and meet back later. Now it suddenly was an issue.

Personally i don’t think my toon should be ordering everyone around and having Marjory go off with Lazarus to keep an eye on him seemed like a good idea. Not sure what our objection was – she can clearly handle herself and Lazarus wanted to harm her, well he would have done so by now.

Except for the fact that we’re all ‘The Commander’.

It’s most likely have to do with Belinda, remember Belinda spirit is infused within Majory sword…they might be hinting at a Ritualist elite spec? :o just being hopeful, hue.

Veka.8710:

It’s most likely have to do with Belinda, remember Belinda spirit is infused within Majory sword…they might be hinting at a Ritualist elite spec? :o just being hopeful, hue.

That could work, as it is implied they want to explore more of these new Elite Specializations. They can’t just keep adding new classes like they did with the Revanent.

Does this mean the Guardian could get a scythe (not new class but new weapon) and be a Dervish?!

Still waiting for a combat Monk, go all Sun Wukong with a staff on the Elementalist (I know Eles can use staffs but I want one that’s centered on melee fighting – with your elemental attunements determining the effect of each weapon-skill).

Personally, while I am worried about Lazarus and his possible betrayal, I’m kind of on Marjory’s side. I think he could be a powerful ally, and it explains his rather cryptic comment at the end of last chapter. Plus, I think the reason she wants to hang out with Lazarus (that being his brush with death) and her necromantic history makes sense. I’d almost forgotten that she was a necromancer, and that little reminder was a nice touch.

Yeah… Marjory has always been my least favourite member of the team, so I kind of just let her attitude slide, since I didn’t care. If she were to die for the sake of some development for Kasmeer, I would be 100% okay with that.

RyuDragnier.9476:

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

If that’s her plan then she’s in way over her head with Lazarus.

Am I the only one who actually liked she wanted to recruit Lazarus as an ally?
I mean, he’s a powerful Mursaat and with his fellow White Mantle Soldiers, which are also powerful would be perfect use for the upcoming dragons.
I just hate how our ’hero/character’ is written. Like wtf.

I go with Marjory actually, I would totally say something like this too if I were a game character! Not this ulter-boring COMmmANDEERRR-hero.

Also, with Lazarus as an ally, the peace between White Mantle and Tyria will be a better place... but indeed it sounds abit fishy but who knows, he might actually have turned to a nice guy after he has met death once.

Looking forward to see what will happend with Lazarus and White Mantle!

Randulf.7614:

Really? I thought the problem was with our character to be honest. Usually we are more willing to let our team members do their own thing and meet back later. Now it suddenly was an issue.

Personally i don’t think my toon should be ordering everyone around and having Marjory go off with Lazarus to keep an eye on him seemed like a good idea. Not sure what our objection was – she can clearly handle herself and Lazarus wanted to harm her, well he would have done so by now.

That changed with Caithe, its because of Caithe that the commander changed from ’we’re a team’ to ’I’m the boss, follow orders’

Vyrulisse.1246:

RyuDragnier.9476:

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

If that’s her plan then she’s in way over her head with Lazarus.

Oh yeah. Expect us to have to save her along with Kas.

Smoaking.6125:

Teleoceras.1298:

RyuDragnier.9476:

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

I was thinking the same way. I don’t feel she would actually betray the Commander. She is basically doing what she does best which is investigate.

Exactly! Marjory’s job is a detective. It’s either this or she got into an argument with Kas and the emotional turmoil is making her make stupid decisions. Maybe that’s why we haven’t seen Kas at all in LS3. I love Kasjory though so I’m hoping that theory is wrong. Please just let it be Marjory doing her job as a detective.

It’s probably both reasons. Her motives are simply to see if Lazarus is being legit. I don’t think she really trusts him or has some kind of ulterior motive.

Marjory’s attitude with the Commander in the scene is likely due to the ‘personal issues’ with Kas. People take their crap out on others (who have nothing to do with it) all the time. I got a vibe she was in a bad mood from the start of that instance.

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Really? I thought the problem was with our character to be honest. Usually we are more willing to let our team members do their own thing and meet back later. Now it suddenly was an issue.

Personally i don’t think my toon should be ordering everyone around and having Marjory go off with Lazarus to keep an eye on him seemed like a good idea. Not sure what our objection was – she can clearly handle herself and Lazarus wanted to harm her, well he would have done so by now.

That changed with Caithe, its because of Caithe that the commander changed from ’we’re a team’ to ’I’m the boss, follow orders’

Well maybe, but we let Taimi do her own thing since then and as a child it would be much more appropriate to be ordering her around. And we wouldn’t dream of ordering Rytlock around. If Canach had said he was going along with Lazarus, I doubt we’d have fussed much either.

To me Marjory’s reaction felt more appropriate than mine.

Yeah, Marjory’s comments seemed a little out of place, but then again we also had the commander just get approached by what could be a powerful ally, and say “Oh, thank you for helping us secure the room, now kitten OFF.” and when teaming up is mentioned, goes “Hell no!”

The commander, and the Pact, can’t be too selective with their allies right now. A strong, unified faction of white mantle under Lazzy not only removes them from possibly converting to Cauduacus’s side, but also boosts the frontlines against the dragons. And with the dragons apparently getting buffed with Zhaitan and Mordremoth’s deaths, and two elder dragons currently active and pushing… We need all the help.

Kalavier.1097:

Yeah, Marjory’s comments seemed a little out of place, but then again we also had the commander just get approached by what could be a powerful ally, and say "Oh, thank you for helping us secure the room, now kitten OFF." and when teaming up is mentioned, goes "Hell no!"

The commander, and the Pact, can’t be too selective with their allies right now. A strong, unified faction of white mantle under Lazzy not only removes them from possibly converting to Cauduacus’s side, but also boosts the frontlines against the dragons. And with the dragons apparently getting buffed with Zhaitan and Mordremoth’s deaths, and two elder dragons currently active and pushing... We need all the help.

Exactly. I agree with you.

Smoaking.6125:

Teleoceras.1298:

RyuDragnier.9476:

It seems more that she has a plan to manipulate Lazarus, and doesn’t want the commander to know, since he’d never agree to it. Act like she has joined the Mantle, serving Lazarus…and then backstabbing him or giving us info. Jory had always been the detective of the group after all.

I was thinking the same way. I don’t feel she would actually betray the Commander. She is basically doing what she does best which is investigate.

Exactly! Marjory’s job is a detective. It’s either this or she got into an argument with Kas and the emotional turmoil is making her make stupid decisions. Maybe that’s why we haven’t seen Kas at all in LS3. I love Kasjory though so I’m hoping that theory is wrong. Please just let it be Marjory doing her job as a detective.

Musashi.1735:

I’ve got a feeling it’s got something to do with maybe trying to bring Belinda back.

Or, she killed Kasmeer and is trying to figure out how to bring her back. The feelings of guilt and self preservation are sinking in. dun dun DUUUUN!!!!!

Randulf.7614:

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Really? I thought the problem was with our character to be honest. Usually we are more willing to let our team members do their own thing and meet back later. Now it suddenly was an issue.

Personally i don’t think my toon should be ordering everyone around and having Marjory go off with Lazarus to keep an eye on him seemed like a good idea. Not sure what our objection was – she can clearly handle herself and Lazarus wanted to harm her, well he would have done so by now.

That changed with Caithe, its because of Caithe that the commander changed from ’we’re a team’ to ’I’m the boss, follow orders’

Well maybe, but we let Taimi do her own thing since then and as a child it would be much more appropriate to be ordering her around. And we wouldn’t dream of ordering Rytlock around. If Canach had said he was going along with Lazarus, I doubt we’d have fussed much either.

To me Marjory’s reaction felt more appropriate than mine.

I think taimi’s a special case since, because we know she’s a cripple she won’t go outside and do weird stuff. Plus we know for a fact she wouldn’t let the world end because that would be bad for her research papers

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Really? I thought the problem was with our character to be honest. Usually we are more willing to let our team members do their own thing and meet back later. Now it suddenly was an issue.

Personally i don’t think my toon should be ordering everyone around and having Marjory go off with Lazarus to keep an eye on him seemed like a good idea. Not sure what our objection was – she can clearly handle herself and Lazarus wanted to harm her, well he would have done so by now.

That changed with Caithe, its because of Caithe that the commander changed from ’we’re a team’ to ’I’m the boss, follow orders’

Well maybe, but we let Taimi do her own thing since then and as a child it would be much more appropriate to be ordering her around. And we wouldn’t dream of ordering Rytlock around. If Canach had said he was going along with Lazarus, I doubt we’d have fussed much either.

To me Marjory’s reaction felt more appropriate than mine.

I think taimi’s a special case since, because we know she’s a cripple she won’t go outside and do weird stuff. Plus we know for a fact she wouldn’t let the world end because that would be bad for her research papers

We let Taimi do her own thing, within a sealed lab that she cannot truly leave by herself. Without Scruffy, she’s restricted to Rata Novus and Rata Sum basically.

Plus, it’s hard to keep an eye on her and be out on the field. She’s safe and sound, and doing very important/good work in the backlines for us.

mrauls.6519:

Did anyone else have a WTF moment when Marjory spoke her mind? I wanted to hit her with my greatsword so bad. What’s got her attitudinal?!

Definitely. A lot of folks are theorizing that (a) she’s focused on bringing Belinda back to life (and is blind to any reason this might be a bad idea) and/or (b) Lazarus is influencing her to make “poor life choices”. (Or in this case: poor death choices.)

It seemed out of character for her not to defer to “the boss” on something like this, which is directly related to the mission of Dragons’s’s’s Watch [sic]/

Btw, did anyone consider this;
During LS2 and the early HoT story we get to see how some of the elite specs start.
Braham (guardian) picks up Eir’s Bow,
Marjory gets a greatsword infused with Belinda (or some other transmaterial mumbojumbo)

So maybe Marjory following Lazarus is the next ‘teaser’ for the Necromancer elite spec.
Maybe.. Aggrator? All minion skills are replaced by agonized minions

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

mrauls.6519:

Did anyone else have a WTF moment when Marjory spoke her mind? I wanted to hit her with my greatsword so bad. What’s got her attitudinal?!

Definitely. A lot of folks are theorizing that (a) she’s focused on bringing Belinda back to life (and is blind to any reason this might be a bad idea) and/or (b) Lazarus is influencing her to make “poor life choices”. (Or in this case: poor death choices.)

It seemed out of character for her not to defer to “the boss” on something like this, which is directly related to the mission of Dragons’s’s’s Watch [sic]/

I definitely think this is a case of A rather than B, as Lazarus has proper motive to play ball for now. Moreover this may also be a case of Professional interest – she wants to bring her sister back but one also has to remember that she’s also a necromancer, and necromancers are often extremely curious individuals. it’s a lot like an astrophysicist in our world suddenly having the opportunity to study a black hole safely inside and out – they’ll want to sate their professional curiosity.

she might possibly take up an odd apprentice roll with Lazarus (a former necromancer himself who likely still knows old world spells) a little like how Livia from guild wars 1 was apprenticed to Gadd. A combination one would never have expected – a human apprenticed to an asura – but it happened nonetheless. I myself often find similarities between Livia and Marjory in terms of personality, so it seems likely to me.

but that’s just my two cents.

Last I checked guilds aren’t armies or monarchies so telling the “Commander” (which is now just an honorary title since we’ve officially left the Pact, so we command no one) that he can’t just boss her around and make her do whatever seems like a perfectly valid point. Just because she’s deferred to your leadership in the past doesn’t mean she’s going to do so without question all the time.

She’s clearly got some personal ties to the situation. Outside of the obvious ties to Necromancy and her dead sister and Lazerus’ revival that so many people bring up (and I hope they don’t go down that route personally, too cliché), there’s also the fact that Anet made it a point last episode to have Marjory state that she doesn’t believe people can change. And here’s Lazerus claiming to be doing exactly that. So she’s got a personal connection to the situation on that basis as well, and being a detective she’s probably naturally curious, so the situation intrigues her.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

mrauls.6519:

Did anyone else have a WTF moment when Marjory spoke her mind? I wanted to hit her with my greatsword so bad. What’s got her attitudinal?!

Definitely. A lot of folks are theorizing that (a) she’s focused on bringing Belinda back to life (and is blind to any reason this might be a bad idea) and/or (b) Lazarus is influencing her to make “poor life choices”. (Or in this case: poor death choices.)

It seemed out of character for her not to defer to “the boss” on something like this, which is directly related to the mission of Dragons’s’s’s Watch [sic]/

You forgot © Jory is manipulating Lazarus to reveal what he’s really up to by showing a possible (nonexistent) “rift” between her and the Commander that he can exploit. She IS a detective people, so manipulating people isn’t out of the realm of possibility for her.

The entire scene was poorly done from the moment Lazarus appeared.
Our character thinks he can threaten a magical being who already absorbed a bloodstone is ridiculous. Then we get Marjory acting as if she can manipulate or even “keep an eye” on such a powerful entity is garbage writing.

If the idea is supposed to be that Lazarus really isn’t that powerful then they shouldn’t have played up how big a deal the bloodstone exploding then being absorbed was. If he is as powerful as was depicted in LS3 ep 1 then the dialogue poorly reflects that idea.

Also his voice should have been more authoritative even if he did want to “help” there is no reason for him to cowtow to the player character. If he does go with the betrayal route it better be ruthless enough to make up for the pathetic dialogue he has in this episode.

When Marjory walked away with Lazarus, she went and unsheathed her blade and carried it in a cool manner. That got me to remember Belinda and I’m like…. her interest in Lazarus… specifically him going back to the death… I’d bet 10 gold she wants his help in bringing Belinda back!

Manimarco Devil.1790:

The entire scene was poorly done from the moment Lazarus appeared.
Our character thinks he can threaten a magical being who already absorbed a bloodstone is ridiculous. Then we get Marjory acting as if she can manipulate or even “keep an eye” on such a powerful entity is garbage writing.

If the idea is supposed to be that Lazarus really isn’t that powerful then they shouldn’t have played up how big a deal the bloodstone exploding then being absorbed was. If he is as powerful as was depicted in LS3 ep 1 then the dialogue poorly reflects that idea.

Also his voice should have been more authoritative even if he did want to “help” there is no reason for him to cowtow to the player character. If he does go with the betrayal route it better be ruthless enough to make up for the pathetic dialogue he has in this episode.

I’m sorry that Lazarus is a nuanced character that might genuinely want to help rather than be a moustache-twirling villain from a 1940’s film. We’ll make certain to have the next morally questionable question to approach the party have a banner over his head saying, “I’m evil! Kill me!”

It was pretty clear in Chapter 1 that Lazarus has a grand plan, and it seems like that plan is killing the dragons. Our characters has killed 2 so far (I guess word travels fast, and even into the Mists), and that would be reason enough to pause before trying to challenge us head-on. And if he genuinely does want to be friends, it’s best not to threaten that person right from the start. Honestly, even if he does have some nefarious plan connected to killing dragons, I’d rather have him as a temporary ally against a foe that we both fear than try to fight a battle on multiple fronts.

Let me be clear:

The reason Jory left with Lazarus was fairly obvious if you paid attention to the dialogue she spoke.

She basically thinks he might be key to ressurecting Belinda its -hinted- in the way she says shes interested in how he came back from the brink of death.

When she left she said “you’ll regret this” and I don’t understand where that came from.

I don’t get your reaction OP. They are not a military command structure. Everyone of them goes and comes as the needs and whims of each individual requires. Marjory putting it into words is fine.

Rognik.2579:

I’m sorry that Lazarus is a nuanced character that might genuinely want to help rather than be a moustache-twirling villain from a 1940’s film. We’ll make certain to have the next morally questionable question to approach the party have a banner over his head saying, “I’m evil! Kill me!”

It was pretty clear in Chapter 1 that Lazarus has a grand plan, and it seems like that plan is killing the dragons. Our characters has killed 2 so far (I guess word travels fast, and even into the Mists), and that would be reason enough to pause before trying to challenge us head-on. And if he genuinely does want to be friends, it’s best not to threaten that person right from the start. Honestly, even if he does have some nefarious plan connected to killing dragons, I’d rather have him as a temporary ally against a foe that we both fear than try to fight a battle on multiple fronts.

Is this a joke? There are more subtle ways to portray grey evil. Even palawa joko came across better in gw1. We needed him to cross the wastes and knew he was evil but he recognized his leverage and used it to restore his bone palace. The idea that we had to help a lesser evil to defeat a greater one is far more nuanced than " lol I am gud guy now." Furthermore, Lazarus should be far more powerful than us so him coming to US for help makes no sense anyway.

It would have made much more sense for his story to continue in white mantle areas where he lets primordus distract us as he rallies the mantle from caudecus and proceeds to a unexpected master plan. I would have found it interesting if he threw us back and stole Aurene. He would use her to create a new prophecy to counter the old Flameseeker ones and revive his dead brethren.

You obviously don’t realize how the mursaat behaved in gw1 if you seriously think the path they took is good storytelling. It’s simply a 180 turn to cram old lore into gw2.

I agree with Manimarco’s assessment. +1

Moreover, I am still not certain whom Marjory addressed the threat to ( “You’ll regret this.”) when she was leaving, as Redfeather pointed above. Was it really her or Lazarus playing games?

There’s something else to remember, too. As the wiki states:

Marjory got her start in the Ministry Guard of Divinity’s Reach, but left after witnessing Ministry Guard Henrick Baker murder a young boy for threatening to unravel a conspiracy surrounding a Minister who captured and tortured a woman with dark magic. The boy’s ghost entrusted his weapons to Marjory, but unfortunately the ghost was dispersed by Kraig the Bleak before Marjory could interrogate it properly. With the help of a mysterious benefactor known only as “E”, Marjory then decided to leave the Ministry and become a private investigator. The case of the ghost boy remains unsolved to this day.

It’s been no secret that Marjory has issues with the Ministry Guard and some of the Ministers. Having Caudecus step out and admit to being the head of the White Mantle must have made him a target for her. Then Lazarus shows up, takes away a large chunk of Caudecus’s support, and offers to join you?

Caudecus WILL show up again, he needs to draw the White Mantle away from Lazarus if he’s ever going to gain the throne. Marjory’s waiting for him with a very large, very sharp blade. And if he’s lucky, she’ll be happy with just killing him.

After what she’s seen, and what we’ve learned in Bloodstone Fen? I don’t think he’s going to be lucky.

Manimarco Devil.1790:

The idea that we had to help a lesser evil to defeat a greater one is far more nuanced than " lol I am gud guy now." Furthermore, Lazarus should be far more powerful than us so him coming to US for help makes no sense anyway.

First off, I don’t remember Lazarus ever claiming to be good. He might have said that we’re on the same side, but that’s completely different. Villains in real life rarely call themselves villains, or see what they are doing as wrong at all.

As for him coming to us, it’s a simple numbers game. We’re currently just assuming Lazarus is this monstrously powerful creature thanks to the bloodstone magic, but much of that magic might’ve been expelled just to fix his wounds. He was near-dead back in the War on Kryta, if not completely dead, and now 2 centuries older. Even if he is powerful, though, how many dragons has he killed, either alone or with help? Zero. We’ve killed 2, although with a lot of help and huge armies at our backs. Clearly we’re doing something right, and Lazarus wants to know what that is.

You obviously don’t realize how the mursaat behaved in gw1 if you seriously think the path they took is good storytelling. It’s simply a 180 turn to cram old lore into gw2.

Oh, I remember Guild Wars: Prophecies, before it even had a subtitle. I also remember that we fought alongside the White Mantle for a long time until, lo and behold, they were killing innocent people! And the Shining Blade, the rebel group we were slaughtering before, were actually the noble group! BUT! Were the White Mantle all that bad? Don’t get me wrong, the slaughter is bad, but Kryta was the only human kingdom to survive the charr invasion thanks in part of them (and the mursaat). Plus, if you think about why the mursaat were doing what they did, that they were just trying to protect their species from being slaughtered and releasing the titans on the world, I can forgive them a little. Plus, not everyone of a particular group is the same. Remember that each of playable races also has at least one evil faction to them. Why not have a mursaat that is good/not that evil?

Musashi.1735:

I’ve got a feeling it’s got something to do with maybe trying to bring Belinda back.

OMG…I never thought of this, it makes perfect sense.

Why does it make perfect sense though? What does Lazarus have to do with resurrecting the dead? He himself wasn’t dead, just severely crippled. If he had any power over resurrecting the dead, I can’t help feel he’d be demonstrating it by now.

I was put off by Marjory. I don’t understand the sudden interest in investigating, the equivalent, of a god. Why put yourself in that dangerous situation? Even if she did have motives, as others also said, the dialogue didn’t really foreshadow them enough(if at all), plus you’re just playing with fire. Inconsistency on her part.

JTGuevara.9018:

I was put off by Marjory. I don’t understand the sudden interest in investigating, the equivalent, of a god. Why put yourself in that dangerous situation? Even if she did have motives, as others also said, the dialogue didn’t really foreshadow them enough(if at all), plus you’re just playing with fire. Inconsistency on her part.

What exactly is so inconsistent here? Remember that Marjory was a private investigator when we first met her, and if PIs are known for anything, it’s investigating powerful people and putting themselves at great risk. Plus, necromancers sort of play with fire just by raising the dead to begin with (although Tyrian necromancy is some of the whitest magic I’ve seen in any ’verse). This will probably be explored further in Chapter 3.

Rognik.2579:

JTGuevara.9018:

I was put off by Marjory. I don’t understand the sudden interest in investigating, the equivalent, of a god. Why put yourself in that dangerous situation? Even if she did have motives, as others also said, the dialogue didn’t really foreshadow them enough(if at all), plus you’re just playing with fire. Inconsistency on her part.

What exactly is so inconsistent here? Remember that Marjory was a private investigator when we first met her, and if PIs are known for anything, it’s investigating powerful people and putting themselves at great risk. Plus, necromancers sort of play with fire just by raising the dead to begin with (although Tyrian necromancy is some of the whitest magic I’ve seen in any ’verse). This will probably be explored further in Chapter 3.

I was just put off by her, but you’re correct. She’s not inconsistent.

Since ANet releases the living world chapter by chapter, there’s no way we can truly judge the story until it’s complete. We can only judge the chapter and speculate. In retrospect, what doesn’t make sense now will be explored upon and resolved until the story is complete.

If I could I’d kick her of Dragon’s Watch right there. I wasn’t so much angered by her not agreeing with my character, but with what she say – “no one will be telling me what I can and cant do”… wtf Marjory? She didnt even try much to persuade us it’s good idea to follow Lazarus, she just went all 5yo on us – I do what I want and you f.off. After this I dont know if I could even trust her anymore unless I’d see a sincere apology, after all, how can we be sure she wont do the same in the middle of the fight preparations, just like Logan did, and it wont end just like it ended when Logan decided to go. Seriously, after that scene I dont want her in my guild anymore.