Guild Wars 2

See my issue and alot people ussie with core GW2 was that end fight with Zhaitan. The dungeons were difficult especially in explorable ones until we people figured them out. Then the final boss fight we are hitting “F” on a cannon to finish a Elder Dragon. I mean some of the coolest scenes in the game are in those Arah dungeons like when your heading towards Zhaitan and you see all the other ships and all the dragons out there. We were sitting there like this is gonna be epic.

The Mordremoth fight was alot better but the story was awful and felt really rushed.

So here we are getting to 2 elder dragons and i dont like a few things.

1) I dont like that Tami has a idea and I assume her idea will just work. Like we spent alot of time studying from ancient beings who could not kill the dragons. We can add in the quick ending to so many things from the HOT story line as well as the unfinished storys from DE.

2) I do like Brahams rebel attitude because everyone in the HOT story has been super nice or had a really bad comment line which either struck me the wrong way to make me not like them. What i dont like is the commander sitting there eating it. I dont even consider myself the commander. I look at it like a movie or comic book because when im on my asura i act like i have no clue what Tami says. When im on a norn i eat what Jory and Braham say and dont remind them that im a great warrior. And the only reason they are around talking high and mighty is because i defeated 2 dragons. Then my sylvari ………. just jeez on this one.

Unless someone else has a different view point, i hjust feel im gonna hit a huge disappointment wall when they decide ohh lets just end it. When i first played GW2 and you see DE gathered for the first time. There is serious stuff to think about and why they are fighting. Logan ran back to help the Queen who had Caudacus there trying to kill her and he obviously knew. As well as him and Rytlock going at it because of human and charr history. Snaffs death and Kudu turning on Zojja. Eir back story must be huge.

I mean core Gw1 Living story we got to see Caithe and the Sylvari and some of there back story which. Like i already loved Sylvari as plant people but to see the struggle as Inquest farmed and killed them as experiments. The pale tree finding a way to give purpose and seeing the dark side of caithe.

I mean Anet had laid out a great foundation for a amazing story yet i feel that it is coming where Tami finds some really weak explanation of a weakness and we pit 2 dragons against each other and no one gets hurt.

Im sorry but i thought maybe we be feeling the burn of all these fights. Disgruntled army mesmers, frustrated orders especially after trahearnes death. Like Durmand Priory saying we didnt need to kill Trahearn, starvation etc etc etc.

I mean they threw down a patch where the White Mantle put up those Anti- Queen posters and i actually agreed with some of them.

I rambled off a bit but there is so much great potential back story and it sucks not knowing the story behind the main storys. As well as the current story feeling rushed as Anet heads into the next expansion where they might not want to do dragons anymore.

If they stick to Taimi’s plan to neutralize either Primordus or Jormag (or both) without fighting against them, I’ll give up on the story of GW2.

As you said it’s been ridiculous how we defeated Zhaitan. An Elder Dragon! Shooting him with a magical laser cannon by pressing F while other ancient, powerful races tried to fight him hundreds of years ago and failed.

Here’s what the Mursaat tablets in Ember Bay said:

We Mursaat and the Forgotten forged armies of powerful constructs to destroy the dragons.

We assaulted Zhaitan with our army of jade constructs and enchanted armors. We failed, and many Mursaat and Forgotten died.

I can’t believe that we defeated him as if it was nothing.

The best thing that could have happened to GW2’s story is that we accepted we couldn’t defeat them, that they’re too powerful, that they’re an irreplaceable part of Tyria and all that we can do is put them to sleep again. There are enemies you simply can’t defeat, no matter how smart your asuran technology is.

Tekey.7946:

If they stick to Taimi’s plan to neutralize either Primordus or Jormag (or both) without fighting against them, I’ll give up on the story of GW2.

As you said it’s been ridiculous how we defeated Zhaitan. An Elder Dragon! Shooting him with a magical laser cannon by pressing F while other ancient, powerful races tried to fight him hundreds of years ago and failed.

Here’s what the Mursaat tablets in Ember Bay said:

We Mursaat and the Forgotten forged armies of powerful constructs to destroy the dragons.

We assaulted Zhaitan with our army of jade constructs and enchanted armors. We failed, and many Mursaat and Forgotten died.

I can’t believe that we defeated him as if it was nothing.

The best thing that could have happened to GW2’s story is that we accepted we couldn’t defeat them, that they’re too powerful, that they’re an irreplaceable part of Tyria and all that we can do is put them to sleep again. There are enemies you simply can’t defeat, no matter how smart your asuran technology is.

Well tbf the Mursaat tablets seem to imply that they went head on with Zhaitan, whereas the Pact took a much more thought out approach of cutting off his armies, starving the dragon itself and then blinding it (taking out the mouth and eyes) before fighting Zhaitan. Overall its much easier to fight anything if you starve and partially blind it first, especially if you can take away its source of renewing its armies.

Not to mention Dr. Gor worked on a very specific anti dragon magic energy ray the he tested on minions of Zhaitan. People who don’t do that asuran story don’t get the full picture of how the ships killed him.

However, I’m highly entertained that there are people in this thread that would have been find having a boss fight and killing Zhaitan with their tiny swords, where as a giant airship with five giant anti-dragon magic guns are apparently not enough to do it.

After we weaked the dragon by starving it of it’s food, took away part of it’s ability to make more undead, and partially blinded it. Zhaitan was hurt by a fleet of ships before we finished killing it.

I hope they take a break from killing dragons next season. Killing dragons isn’t really special anymore. I realize it seems weird, but I would like to take a backseat ride for an episode or season. Something like season 1 or the main story. Where we arnt really leading the charge, or were not really the single group of people who are saving the world, but supporting those who do, like the priory.

I kind of want to take a back seat and see the world grow, as opposed to the story needing to be written so that the player is the one driving the evolution of the world.

OriOri.8724:

Well tbf the Mursaat tablets seem to imply that they went head on with Zhaitan, whereas the Pact took a much more thought out approach of cutting off his armies, starving the dragon itself and then blinding it (taking out the mouth and eyes) before fighting Zhaitan. Overall its much easier to fight anything if you starve and partially blind it first, especially if you can take away its source of renewing its armies.

Vayne.8563:

Not to mention Dr. Gor worked on a very specific anti dragon magic energy ray the he tested on minions of Zhaitan.

After we weaked the dragon by starving it of it’s food, took away part of it’s ability to make more undead, and partially blinded it. Zhaitan was hurt by a fleet of ships before we finished killing it.

Yup, we had a strategy. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re able to kill them at all . In my opinion the difference lies in defeating them completely.
Even if we let Zhaitan starve and blinded him, the anti-dragon-magic-energy-thingy shouldn’t be able to kill an Elder Dragon. It may weaken him or put him to sleep for another hundreds of years. The fact that we killed 2 Elder Dragons extremely fast and we’re about to defeat the other ones in the near future makes all of the past lore look ridiculous. They’ve always been a part of Tyria. They were able to push complete races away from their homes and take control over Tyria. In the end of GW1: EotN we were just able to kill a champion of Primordus, the Great Destroyer.

Now we’re killing tons of those champions as a routine every hour, how many Claws of Jormags did we already defeat, how many Shatterers? And after the personal story and HoT, killing Elder Dragons is now routine. It’s just ridiculous how easy it is after everything we heard about them.

Vayne.8563:

However, I’m highly entertained that there are people in this thread that would have been find having a boss fight and killing Zhaitan with their tiny swords, where as a giant airship with five giant anti-dragon magic guns are apparently not enough to do it.

It’s understandable that players want to see an actual fight. We are clearly talking about the gameplay here. If you’re fighting them with a real army, gathering all of the races of Tyria to fight together, each of them contributing their strengths (asuran technology, charr artillery and warriors, etc.) it will feel much, much more legendary and epic than pressing “F” out of harm’s way. The anti-dragon-magic-cannon would be a small part within a large battlefield. We want to see how tiny we are individually compared to an Elder Dragon but yet huge as an army.

As I said, I would be happy if we weren’t able to defeat them at all, but as it is right now, I’d like to see an actual battle instead of Taimi pressing a button and sending the message “Jormag is defeated” through the communicator. Great interactive storytelling…

Vayne.8563:

Not to mention Dr. Gor worked on a very specific anti dragon magic energy ray the he tested on minions of Zhaitan. People who don’t do that asuran story don’t get the full picture of how the ships killed him.

However, I’m highly entertained that there are people in this thread that would have been find having a boss fight and killing Zhaitan with their tiny swords, where as a giant airship with five giant anti-dragon magic guns are apparently not enough to do it.

After we weaked the dragon by starving it of it’s food, took away part of it’s ability to make more undead, and partially blinded it. Zhaitan was hurt by a fleet of ships before we finished killing it.

Thats all fine and great but what was this dragons counter? Which brings up my point about everything we do.

When DE first gets together you see Logan and Rytlock arguing and they both have strong points for what they did and what happened.

We did things to stop Zhaitan, what did he do to counter?

Are you seriously telling me that Zhaitan a Elder Dragon who defeated many races before us. (whom we are studying tech wise, which means we are learning things we didnt know and things they did know to defeat these dragons) Even in the Arah dungeon paths they talk about the mursaat, Jotun, the seers and the forgotten and things we can learn from there experiences fighting Zhaitan against future dragons.

I mean its supposedly said that Zhaitan was last awake 10,000 years ago. Are you seriously telling me that we are the only ones who thought up of these planned attacks?

Story wise its very convenient how easy the ride has been especially since Lupi and Korga the mighty sit in his dungeon. Pre ascended gear and 30-30-30 i can not tell you how hard it was for many people to kill Lupi which is why people sold the Arah dungeon paths.

Take out the story and here we sit with cannons shooting at Zhaitan as he does what? You say hes too hurt, tired and hungry to fight back but whats that old saying about being pushed back into a wall?

We just got a new fractal, why is this fractal 5,000 X better then our fights with ELDER DRAGONS?????

Tekey.7946:

If they stick to Taimi’s plan to neutralize either Primordus or Jormag (or both) without fighting against them, I’ll give up on the story of GW2.

As you said it’s been ridiculous how we defeated Zhaitan. An Elder Dragon! Shooting him with a magical laser cannon by pressing F while other ancient, powerful races tried to fight him hundreds of years ago and failed.

Here’s what the Mursaat tablets in Ember Bay said:

We Mursaat and the Forgotten forged armies of powerful constructs to destroy the dragons.

We assaulted Zhaitan with our army of jade constructs and enchanted armors. We failed, and many Mursaat and Forgotten died.

I can’t believe that we defeated him as if it was nothing.

The best thing that could have happened to GW2’s story is that we accepted we couldn’t defeat them, that they’re too powerful, that they’re an irreplaceable part of Tyria and all that we can do is put them to sleep again. There are enemies you simply can’t defeat, no matter how smart your asuran technology is.

Seriously couldnt agree with you more.

I dont understand how we are just walking threw these Elder Dragons and how all of our plans always just seem to work perfectly even though we might just come up with it on the spot. (Mordremoth)

I mean at some point something has to give right?

For me after defeating Zhaitan and Mordremoth wouldnt everyone just be completely tired. Nothing really left to give especially with the countless deaths across all of tryia and the dragons becoming stronger.

I mean a really good story line would us just surviving. Like new things popping up and left about dragon destruction and how we have to help defend a small city or town. Then these small wins would could lead to something bigger.

I also agree, why cant we simply fail? Seriously we are 2 for 2 on killing the most powerful/oldest/ wisest beings to ever.

That and there is nothing negative happening from our actions, i killed Trahearne and havent seen the pale tree and my 2nd main is Sylvari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right now we are about to throw 2 dragon up against each other in some dumb fashion which just leads to more questions for me.

Like have Elder Dragons never fought? Glint fought Kralkatorrik with DE and 2 people died. We now protect a baby and for what? We killed 2 dragons and we really didnt do much and everything seems fine.

I agree with you 100% and im simply getting ready to be utterly disappointed because DE has such a rich potential story foundation that we could of explored. Anet had a chance to make Elder Dragon fights epic but they would prefer to save it for raids and fractals. And it seems like they are rushing threw content so we can kill dragons asap and move on to more GW1 origin storys.

I hope they realize that they had a amazing ground story placed in core GW2 that came from GW1. They simply didnt care to make anything make sense or any good.

OriOri.8724:

Tekey.7946:

If they stick to Taimi’s plan to neutralize either Primordus or Jormag (or both) without fighting against them, I’ll give up on the story of GW2.

As you said it’s been ridiculous how we defeated Zhaitan. An Elder Dragon! Shooting him with a magical laser cannon by pressing F while other ancient, powerful races tried to fight him hundreds of years ago and failed.

Here’s what the Mursaat tablets in Ember Bay said:

We Mursaat and the Forgotten forged armies of powerful constructs to destroy the dragons.

We assaulted Zhaitan with our army of jade constructs and enchanted armors. We failed, and many Mursaat and Forgotten died.

I can’t believe that we defeated him as if it was nothing.

The best thing that could have happened to GW2’s story is that we accepted we couldn’t defeat them, that they’re too powerful, that they’re an irreplaceable part of Tyria and all that we can do is put them to sleep again. There are enemies you simply can’t defeat, no matter how smart your asuran technology is.

Well tbf the Mursaat tablets seem to imply that they went head on with Zhaitan, whereas the Pact took a much more thought out approach of cutting off his armies, starving the dragon itself and then blinding it (taking out the mouth and eyes) before fighting Zhaitan. Overall its much easier to fight anything if you starve and partially blind it first, especially if you can take away its source of renewing its armies.

I can agree with that to a extent.

But my counter argument is people tried to stop Hakeem Olajuwon 93-95 and to be blunt no one was better. Teams had strategys to stop him but couldnt. This about that, this isnt like other dominate teams. There is literally only 1 guy on the team because he creates everything for everyone else and people still could not stop him.

Zhaitan is Hakeem Olajuwon but instead of playing with with average players. He gets great champions like Lupi and Korga which we dont even face and he knows its coming.

I understand that we planned ahead of time, but the story/game play they gave us to say hey we did it fell flat.

Like if we trained as hard as we could and got in the best shapes in our lives, do you think we could beat MJ or Drexler in a 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2? Right now, not even in there primes because thats us getting ready for a legendary match.

Tekey.7946:

OriOri.8724:

Well tbf the Mursaat tablets seem to imply that they went head on with Zhaitan, whereas the Pact took a much more thought out approach of cutting off his armies, starving the dragon itself and then blinding it (taking out the mouth and eyes) before fighting Zhaitan. Overall its much easier to fight anything if you starve and partially blind it first, especially if you can take away its source of renewing its armies.

Vayne.8563:

Not to mention Dr. Gor worked on a very specific anti dragon magic energy ray the he tested on minions of Zhaitan.

After we weaked the dragon by starving it of it’s food, took away part of it’s ability to make more undead, and partially blinded it. Zhaitan was hurt by a fleet of ships before we finished killing it.

Yup, we had a strategy. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re able to kill them at all . In my opinion the difference lies in defeating them completely.
Even if we let Zhaitan starve and blinded him, the anti-dragon-magic-energy-thingy shouldn’t be able to kill an Elder Dragon. It may weaken him or put him to sleep for another hundreds of years. The fact that we killed 2 Elder Dragons extremely fast and we’re about to defeat the other ones in the near future makes all of the past lore look ridiculous. They’ve always been a part of Tyria. They were able to push complete races away from their homes and take control over Tyria. In the end of GW1: EotN we were just able to kill a champion of Primordus, the Great Destroyer.

Now we’re killing tons of those champions as a routine every hour, how many Claws of Jormags did we already defeat, how many Shatterers? And after the personal story and HoT, killing Elder Dragons is now routine. It’s just ridiculous how easy it is after everything we heard about them.

Vayne.8563:

However, I’m highly entertained that there are people in this thread that would have been find having a boss fight and killing Zhaitan with their tiny swords, where as a giant airship with five giant anti-dragon magic guns are apparently not enough to do it.

It’s understandable that players want to see an actual fight. We are clearly talking about the gameplay here. If you’re fighting them with a real army, gathering all of the races of Tyria to fight together, each of them contributing their strengths (asuran technology, charr artillery and warriors, etc.) it will feel much, much more legendary and epic than pressing “F” out of harm’s way. The anti-dragon-magic-cannon would be a small part within a large battlefield. We want to see how tiny we are individually compared to an Elder Dragon but yet huge as an army.

As I said, I would be happy if we weren’t able to defeat them at all, but as it is right now, I’d like to see an actual battle instead of Taimi pressing a button and sending the message “Jormag is defeated” through the communicator. Great interactive storytelling…

See that’s like saying in the past it would take weeks to destroy a city but now we can destroy it in one minute with a bomb.

Asurans and magitech like the Asurans use didn’t exist back then, nor did waypoints. Technology changes and makes things easier. We were able to defeat Zhaitan using that, but we tried the same trick with mordy and it didn’t work. We couldn’t even get close that way.

I agree that people were disappointed that it wasn’t a fight. The fact that it wasn’t a fight was disappointing.

However, I think a lot less people were disappointed with the entirety of the Modremoth fight. I believe at lot of people like Dragon Stand and in combination with the fight in the personal story it’s much more satisfying over all.

Tekey.7946:

Yup, we had a strategy. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re able to kill them at all . In my opinion the difference lies in defeating them completely.
Even if we let Zhaitan starve and blinded him, the anti-dragon-magic-energy-thingy shouldn’t be able to kill an Elder Dragon. It may weaken him or put him to sleep for another hundreds of years. The fact that we killed 2 Elder Dragons extremely fast and we’re about to defeat the other ones in the near future makes all of the past lore look ridiculous. They’ve always been a part of Tyria. They were able to push complete races away from their homes and take control over Tyria. In the end of GW1: EotN we were just able to kill a champion of Primordus, the Great Destroyer.

Now we’re killing tons of those champions as a routine every hour, how many Claws of Jormags did we already defeat, how many Shatterers? And after the personal story and HoT, killing Elder Dragons is now routine. It’s just ridiculous how easy it is after everything we heard about them.

Also note that this time we not only have the knowledge that the Dragons can at least be bested and fought back (Dwarves still exist, even if they are made of stone now), and we have Glint who helped us. I think the lore really downplays just how much Glint helped us by sharing her knowledge with us before she passed away. We did kill the two Dragons pretty fast, which is hard to explain through the lore as to how it was possible to kill them that fast. But, at the same time, we achieved what no other races had done before. The Pact managed to unite all 5 of the playable races, as well as a decent number of the unplayable ones, against the Elder Dragons. Something that the Mursaat tried to do with the Forgotten and the Jotun (but ultimately failed, their allegiance fell apart). I think that being able to combine the knowledge and technology of those different races was the ultimate key. It allowed us to get far enough into Orr to kill off Zhaitans eyes and mouths, and then “cleanse Orr” (its in quotes, because as someone pointed out a few months ago, that could very well have been Mordremoth trying to take hold of Orr, considering the vines and the fact that a Sylvari did it), which also severely weakened Zhaitan from my understanding.

It is still kind of cheap how we are able to kill Zhaitan so easily. I mean the ship was never in any real danger and it was just a few laser shots, but I don’t think its as far out there as you are claiming it is that we were able to do it.

Mordremoth is a much cheaper fight in my opinion. I don’t really agree with how we killed him, it feels like there was supposed to be more to it and the story was just extremely rushed. Especially considering that kill him within weeks of him absolutely demolishing the pact, it does feel extremely forced just to move the story along. I would have liked a richer, fuller story that really explored that final fight a lot more. As it is he was kind of just waiting for us and pretty unprepared.

kdaddy.5431:

OriOri.8724:

Tekey.7946:

If they stick to Taimi’s plan to neutralize either Primordus or Jormag (or both) without fighting against them, I’ll give up on the story of GW2.

As you said it’s been ridiculous how we defeated Zhaitan. An Elder Dragon! Shooting him with a magical laser cannon by pressing F while other ancient, powerful races tried to fight him hundreds of years ago and failed.

Here’s what the Mursaat tablets in Ember Bay said:

We Mursaat and the Forgotten forged armies of powerful constructs to destroy the dragons.

We assaulted Zhaitan with our army of jade constructs and enchanted armors. We failed, and many Mursaat and Forgotten died.

I can’t believe that we defeated him as if it was nothing.

The best thing that could have happened to GW2’s story is that we accepted we couldn’t defeat them, that they’re too powerful, that they’re an irreplaceable part of Tyria and all that we can do is put them to sleep again. There are enemies you simply can’t defeat, no matter how smart your asuran technology is.

Well tbf the Mursaat tablets seem to imply that they went head on with Zhaitan, whereas the Pact took a much more thought out approach of cutting off his armies, starving the dragon itself and then blinding it (taking out the mouth and eyes) before fighting Zhaitan. Overall its much easier to fight anything if you starve and partially blind it first, especially if you can take away its source of renewing its armies.

I can agree with that to a extent.

But my counter argument is people tried to stop Hakeem Olajuwon 93-95 and to be blunt no one was better. Teams had strategys to stop him but couldnt. This about that, this isnt like other dominate teams. There is literally only 1 guy on the team because he creates everything for everyone else and people still could not stop him.

Zhaitan is Hakeem Olajuwon but instead of playing with with average players. He gets great champions like Lupi and Korga which we dont even face and he knows its coming.

I understand that we planned ahead of time, but the story/game play they gave us to say hey we did it fell flat.

Like if we trained as hard as we could and got in the best shapes in our lives, do you think we could beat MJ or Drexler in a 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2? Right now, not even in there primes because thats us getting ready for a legendary match.

I agree that it is strange that Zhaitans greatest champions were stuffed away in the dungeon and we never had to fight them to kill him. Gameplay wise I understand why the strongest enemies in the game were in the endgame dungeon, but lorewise it does feel cheap.

As to your analogy though. I think that if we got ~10 people together (for each of the races involved in slaying Zhaitan, human, norn, asura, char, sylvari, grawl, hylek, ogre and some more that you help out that I forget), kill off MJs or Drexlers team (kill the army), starve them and then blind them in one eye that we would have a fair shot at it. That’s about what we did to Zhaitan. The fight could definitely be improved to feel much more like we might fail it, but I think that’s lost development time at this point.

I can agree with you development wise about why Anet id things the way they did but as a fan and as someone who wants to get into the story. It just feels cheap.

Back to my anology, Brian Scalabrine who was the 12th man on many NBA teams held a 1 vs 1 challenge. He offered $50,000 to anyone who could beat him. No one scored more then 3.

Robert Horry in a recent interview was talking about Hakeem since Horry says Hakeem is the greatest player of all time.

He talked about how Hakeem was Muslim and how for Ramadan he wouldnt eat or drink before a game and during the game. And he would still drop 40 points and grab 15 rebounds on people.

And thats the point i feel tekey and I are trying to get across. The best of the best are ready and are conditioned for any obstacle. This Elder Dragon has been around for thousands of years and have faced countless enemys.

He attacked LA in 1325 and Mordremoth really made his presence felt in 1327.

This is one of the most powerful beings ever and it has years and years of battle knowledge and preparation. Im willing to say we killed him for Anet story purposes and because it was well thought out and the core story is actually pretty good.

But that fight does nothing for defeating a monster whos been awake for over 100 years who no one threatening it.

The reason i bring up NBA players is because they are the best at what they do even though they are judged and mocked at times. It is the ultimate game of individual skill-ability-knowledge and understanding the game.

Zhaitan has conquered civilizations, it is the Drexler or jordan. He has been put threw the test and taking all challengers. Anet is still feeding us lines about how powerful he was. I mean we starved him for what 2 months? 1 month and he just sat there waiting for us to come kill it? Jordan with the Flu/food poisoning (which ever) dropped 38 points against Utah in the NBA finals. Zhaitan/ Mordremoth is a champion and elite specimen who should be the greatest challenges we have ever faced.

Yet we are the High School player who says we beat him with a couple of friends on a sunday after noon. We even talk about how much better DE 2.0 is better since Modremoth is so much stronger which once again misses me.

We have killed 2 dragons, nothing we have done has back fired, We are not meeting resistance, and from the looks of it we are about to easily kill 2 more.

The story falls flat and for me the greatest story moment i had was killing scarlett. Having seen her destroy LA and doing the LA map meta to get into a instance to fight her. TO down her and finisher her is still the coolest moment.

Im just tired of this story line telling me left and right how powerful these dragons are when really its been incredibly easy with nothing really saying otherwise. The only comment we had was Trahearne saying we lost alot of men when talking to the Pale Tree when gathering the Leaders.

If Anet wants to end the dragons quickly then just do it because for me they clearly are not trying to feed us any GOOD story lines or lore.

Vayne.8563:

Tekey.7946:

OriOri.8724:

Well tbf the Mursaat tablets seem to imply that they went head on with Zhaitan, whereas the Pact took a much more thought out approach of cutting off his armies, starving the dragon itself and then blinding it (taking out the mouth and eyes) before fighting Zhaitan. Overall its much easier to fight anything if you starve and partially blind it first, especially if you can take away its source of renewing its armies.

Vayne.8563:

Not to mention Dr. Gor worked on a very specific anti dragon magic energy ray the he tested on minions of Zhaitan.

After we weaked the dragon by starving it of it’s food, took away part of it’s ability to make more undead, and partially blinded it. Zhaitan was hurt by a fleet of ships before we finished killing it.

Yup, we had a strategy. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re able to kill them at all . In my opinion the difference lies in defeating them completely.
Even if we let Zhaitan starve and blinded him, the anti-dragon-magic-energy-thingy shouldn’t be able to kill an Elder Dragon. It may weaken him or put him to sleep for another hundreds of years. The fact that we killed 2 Elder Dragons extremely fast and we’re about to defeat the other ones in the near future makes all of the past lore look ridiculous. They’ve always been a part of Tyria. They were able to push complete races away from their homes and take control over Tyria. In the end of GW1: EotN we were just able to kill a champion of Primordus, the Great Destroyer.

Now we’re killing tons of those champions as a routine every hour, how many Claws of Jormags did we already defeat, how many Shatterers? And after the personal story and HoT, killing Elder Dragons is now routine. It’s just ridiculous how easy it is after everything we heard about them.

Vayne.8563:

However, I’m highly entertained that there are people in this thread that would have been find having a boss fight and killing Zhaitan with their tiny swords, where as a giant airship with five giant anti-dragon magic guns are apparently not enough to do it.

It’s understandable that players want to see an actual fight. We are clearly talking about the gameplay here. If you’re fighting them with a real army, gathering all of the races of Tyria to fight together, each of them contributing their strengths (asuran technology, charr artillery and warriors, etc.) it will feel much, much more legendary and epic than pressing “F” out of harm’s way. The anti-dragon-magic-cannon would be a small part within a large battlefield. We want to see how tiny we are individually compared to an Elder Dragon but yet huge as an army.

As I said, I would be happy if we weren’t able to defeat them at all, but as it is right now, I’d like to see an actual battle instead of Taimi pressing a button and sending the message “Jormag is defeated” through the communicator. Great interactive storytelling…

See that’s like saying in the past it would take weeks to destroy a city but now we can destroy it in one minute with a bomb.

Asurans and magitech like the Asurans use didn’t exist back then, nor did waypoints. Technology changes and makes things easier. We were able to defeat Zhaitan using that, but we tried the same trick with mordy and it didn’t work. We couldn’t even get close that way.

I agree that people were disappointed that it wasn’t a fight. The fact that it wasn’t a fight was disappointing.

However, I think a lot less people were disappointed with the entirety of the Modremoth fight. I believe at lot of people like Dragon Stand and in combination with the fight in the personal story it’s much more satisfying over all.

Except this is a game

The dragons obviously functioning as a reset button akin to the wiping out apparently only the sentient life then leaving the world to a new cycle. The dragons won last time the Huron survived by giving up their superior magic that even the mursaat acknowledged while the forgotten and mursaat seemed to have went to alternate existence for the duration.

Dragons have probably scrubbed the earth clean countless times before the Mursaat and thus I completely disagree with the notion that we are magically or technologically superior to the races that were wiped out before us. Logic would be they had the exact same ideas that we had and the only thing different this time around is Glints and aurene and maybe even Gleams involvement. Anything else being the solution just sounds like Anet trying to burn through this dragon story as fast as they could.

It is a game and i simply want it to make sense and rewarding.

When alot of people put so much into a story and taking people threw a story you want to feel apart of it.

Like you said " Dragons have probably scrubbed the earth clean countless times before the Mursaat and thus I completely disagree with the notion that we are magically or technologically superior to the races that were wiped out before us. Logic would be they had the exact same ideas that we had and the only thing different this time around is Glints and aurene and maybe even Gleams involvement. Anything else being the solution just sounds like Anet trying to burn through this dragon story as fast as they could."

I mean for me the story is falling apart badly, the fights with these bosses are falling apart badly.

I just wanted 2 things,

1- For the story to be engaging and for it to make sense

2- For the beasts to be the actual beasts that we spend hours working towards. It it so frustrating to have raids-fractals be so much better and to not have as many bugs as dungeon/instance with a elder dragon and it completely sucks.

Im just voicing out my complaints and seeing if people agree or disagree. I feel we are all of the same understanding but take this game for what it is at different levels.