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Posted by: Jordo.5913

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So if you read the story journal, it tells you each orb is represented by a dragon, with the pale tree or tyria represented in the middle.

Primordius – Red
Jormag – Ice Blue
Bubbles- Deep Blue
Morde – Green
Kralk – Purple
Zhaitain – Gray

at first i believe they lit up in order of rising, since red lit up first, but it’s completely out of sync with what the wiki shows

obviously it showed the Green orb flying at the pale tree/tyria meaning that Morde is the current dragon on attack

why is Zhaitan’s orb still out there floating around if he has already attacked and been defeated…..or is it signifying that he has yet to pursue a full on attack of the pale tree?

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Posted by: Vol.7601

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Well we never saw it’s corpse soooooo I eagerly await the next time Trahearne takes credit for everything.

Assuming he doesn’t get killed by Mord this season…

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Posted by: Jordo.5913

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Assuming he doesn’t get killed by Mord this season…

one can only hope

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Posted by: ricky markham.8173

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i had problems with the main personal story before they always put dragons to sleep but we supposably killed zaitan. maybe we just put him to sleep til next cycle

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Posted by: IllegalChocolate.6938

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My speculation is that the machine was modified to only show you a recording of what was previously witnessed.

Think of the Prothean Beacon in Mass Effect. This would also explain why you hear Scarlet and the Pale Tree and those specific lines during the cinematic as well.

If it is a pre recording, then it is in line with the original intents of the writers as well as Zhaitan being declared dead as of season 2.

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Posted by: Zayd Akira.1942

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I dont think the orbs represented the dragons directly. I think the orbs represent the different kinds of magic in the universe. Each dragon just happens to use only one.

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Posted by: Jordo.5913

Jordo.5913

I dont think the orbs represented the dragons directly. I think the orbs represent the different kinds of magic in the universe. Each dragon just happens to use only one.

story journal says otherwise

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Posted by: Nilkemia.8507

Nilkemia.8507

The Story Journal states that the orbs represent the Elder Dragons (from our characters’ perspective, anyway. See attachment for the specific section).

As for Zhaitan being alive, it is possible. Though we defeated him, we never found the body. I suspect they originally did the fight that way to not conclude things, to not show Zhaitan actually dying in case they wanted to bring him back for another fight. And if any of the dragons can come back from the dead, it would be him.

While the tokens for Arah are allegedly pieces of Zhaitan, (forever dead, as the description says) there’s nothing stopping him from putting himself back together or returning unless all the Risen are exterminated for good, which is supposedly happening, though it can’t be shown in-game with the way the zones work.

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Posted by: Kibazuka.1390

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Im almost completely certain that the light green orb is zhaitan and the black/green one is mordremoth, the coloration also makes sense, the risen and especially Zhaitan himself used this toxic green very often while the mordrems we saw until now use a much darker green, if they are even green. The order in which they awaken also fits.
This also means that the orb crashing in the middle is Zhaitan not Mordremoth and there could be several explanations for that.
Dont forget that Tequatl surprisingly started to grow in power after Zhaitan got defeated

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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I’m relatively sure Zhaitan is dead but his energy remains and possibly is why Tequatl buffed the frick up.

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Posted by: Nabuko Darayon.9645

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Zhaitan never died. He was just defeated. (Some of his power/magic flown to Teq, other part I dunno). It’s like energy. It can’t be destroyed, it moves from one object to another.

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Posted by: FlamingFoxx.1305

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It has been explicitly stated by the devs that Zhaitan is dead. He is dead. Dead dead dead.

@ Nabuko, the dragons absorb energy, they don’t necessarily naturally possess it – so yes Zhaitans energy is leached back into the world, but that doesn’t mean it goes anywhere specific. It just means there is now more magic in the world, it’s not too different to how the bloodstone was created which limited magic etc.

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Posted by: clint.5681

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I’m relatively sure Zhaitan is dead but his energy remains and possibly is why Tequatl buffed the frick up.

i thought the same

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Posted by: Ranael.6423

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Though I agree magic doesn’t seem to be destructible I don’t really see why if the dragon is dead it should absolutely go in another creature who would incarnate “Zhaitan” as a concept. Sure Teq seems to have found a lot of magic to get stronger but I don’t think that magic by itself wanted to find a wannabe elder dragon.

On a side note on the video I was wondering, if the spheres are the dragons, it should mean they are only six for the whole planet. How come they were all sleeping on the same continent? They are the magic of a whole world and yet they are concentrated in a very tight area of that world! Up to now I wanted to believe that because of the loss of contact we had no idea that Cantha was fighting its own Elder dragons because the number of them didn’t seem finite.
Moreover it means that if one day we are going out of Tyria, say Elona, it won’t be to fight a super vilain even stronger than the previous one (I mean Palawa Joko against one and soon 2 elder dragon ?…seems easy )

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Posted by: hardy.7469

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We don’t know the full natures of the dragons.
We don’t know if they can actually die or just go back to sleep.

Maybe we didn’t kill Zhaitan, maybe we only put him back to sleep.

I wouldn’t put it past ANet to go back and claim Zhaitan is still alive though, given how much of a mess that PS ending was. lol They probably want to retcon that.

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Posted by: Calys Teneb.7015

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We don’t know the full natures of the dragons.
We don’t know if they can actually die or just go back to sleep.

Maybe we didn’t kill Zhaitan, maybe we only put him back to sleep.

I wouldn’t put it past ANet to go back and claim Zhaitan is still alive though, given how much of a mess that PS ending was. lol They probably want to retcon that.

Given that they stated they weren’t satisfied with it due to time constraints, I’d not blame them.

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Posted by: perilisk.1874

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So if you read the story journal, it tells you each orb is represented by a dragon, with the pale tree or tyria represented in the middle.

Primordius – Red
Jormag – Ice Blue
Bubbles- Deep Blue
Morde – Green
Kralk – Purple
Zhaitain – Gray

at first i believe they lit up in order of rising, since red lit up first, but it’s completely out of sync with what the wiki shows

obviously it showed the Green orb flying at the pale tree/tyria meaning that Morde is the current dragon on attack

why is Zhaitan’s orb still out there floating around if he has already attacked and been defeated…..or is it signifying that he has yet to pursue a full on attack of the pale tree?

Maybe it’s not the dragon so much as its sphere of influence. Like, killing Abaddon didn’t eliminate his divine power, so Kormir absorbed it and became a new god. Could be a similar principle at play — maybe Zhaitan’s power is redistributed to various champions like Teq.

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Posted by: perilisk.1874

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Im almost completely certain that the light green orb is zhaitan and the black/green one is mordremoth, the coloration also makes sense, the risen and especially Zhaitan himself used this toxic green very often while the mordrems we saw until now use a much darker green, if they are even green. The order in which they awaken also fits.
This also means that the orb crashing in the middle is Zhaitan not Mordremoth and there could be several explanations for that.
Dont forget that Tequatl surprisingly started to grow in power after Zhaitan got defeated

The crashing green orb seemed sort of planty, the other one seemed more gross and plague-y. So, I disagree.

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Posted by: Arghore.8340

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‘We’ still see the Dragon as a ‘being’ but we must not forget that it has been said that they are more like Forces of Nature. In this sense you should maybe think of them of a Tornado. Even though ‘we’ give each of them names, after they have passed, under the right circumstances doesn’t there just appear another. Like ‘Kathrina’ is dead, and past, but when storm season starts, new ones arrive that are just like her.

In this sense you should also view the Dragons, we killed off Zaithan, and it is dragon season, so Teq. may or may not grow out into another (he might actually grow and grow and go dorment and be the next ‘Zaithan’ in 10.000y when the new Dragon Season arrives… But from the vision I would say that even though we may have killed of Zaithan now, the forces that created him will more then likely ‘recreate’ him when the time is right…

In this sense I would also like to answer to Ranael, does calling a Tornado, a Hurricane or Cyclone, make it any other natural force? Does it matter if they hit the South East of the US or the South East of Japan?

In this regard, cuz I rather liked it:
What’s in a name? That which we call a Dragon, by any other name, be as horrific as any other

Also, as some might recall, Glint had babies, so she must have mated with some ‘thing’. Be it her master, be it another dragon. In any case, it implies some sort of reproduction cycle. And as far as I know it tend to take 2 to tango… So I wouldn’t worry to much about the ‘lack’ of dragons in the world, in all honesty, I would be much more inclined to worry.

Lastly, in regards to the mentions of Player Characters, do realize that they draw conclusions on their frame of reference. They conclude the orbs are the dragons, but for all we know it could be the aspects of magic, or the ‘Champions’ (do realise they awaken b4 the actual dragons do, so the activation order of the orb might be the Champs order of awakening, the ‘centering’ of one of these orbs the ‘success’ of a Champion to awaken the dragon.)

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Posted by: Arewn.2368

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It has been explicitly stated by the devs that Zhaitan is dead. He is dead. Dead dead dead.

@ Nabuko, the dragons absorb energy, they don’t necessarily naturally possess it – so yes Zhaitans energy is leached back into the world, but that doesn’t mean it goes anywhere specific. It just means there is now more magic in the world, it’s not too different to how the bloodstone was created which limited magic etc.

I thought it was confirmed that Zhaitan was defeated, not dead. I’ve looked around and can’t find any actual sources of a dev saying he’s dead, though I do find them saying he’s defeated. That’s an important distinction because “defeated” is much looser, it leaves room for interpretation. If Zhaitan has been “defeated” and not “killed”(is dead), then that makes his fate malleable.

Perhaps I’m wrong though, so if you have a source for “devs confirmed he’s dead” please provide it.

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Posted by: Arghore.8340

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@Arewn, read the post just above yours, you can likely find many sources (from defs) of how the dragons are ‘described’ to be. Then the whole dead or defeated doesn’t really matter anymore. The question is, might there be another ‘Undead Dragon’, which ever name we give him. And from the way that the dragons are described (and how that may pan out, as described in my post above yours). As well as the vision of the Eternal Alchemy, I will say ‘Yes’ there will! … Will it be in our life time? In our PC lifetime? That remains to be seen, but yes, in 10.000y or whenever the Dragons awake another time, there will be another Undead Dragon. It is how nature on Tyria works ‘apparently’… or at least how I understand it

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Posted by: MithranArkanere.8957

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Nah.

I seriously doubt those are the dragons.

I think those are the main domains of power of Tyria’s magic.

The dragons just attached themselves to them, becoming affected by them as much as they affect them. Just look at Zhaitan. Do you think he always looked like that? He has been clearly using corpses of other dead dragons to repair his decaying undead body. I don’t think even the gods know how he looked initially.

It’s a bit how Grenth and Kormir took over the powers of their predecesor gods, by taking in the power end becoming attuned to the domains of those powers.

Destroy Zhaitan, and all his magic just goes back to the world, and his domain (“death”, “decay” or whatever you want to call it) is simply released, which would strengthen creatures attuned to that domain too, like Tequatl.

This is not the first time we see something like that:

- Glint’s lair was 6 domains surrounding a ‘core’ where Glint was.
- The Real of Torment was also 6 domains surrounding the Heart of the torment., which had two main areas.
- Even the Underlworld had 8 main areas, and 7 reapers. You could see that as 6 areas surrouding a core with 2 areas.

Things split in ‘6’ has always been around. Even the initial professions were 6 back in GW1.

It makes you wonder if there was really 4 bloodstone pieces, or if they actually were 6.

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Posted by: Arghore.8340

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@TPAM, well there are 5 bloodstones, including the keystone (but that may well be a Royal Locket, that displays the current ‘king/queen’ of kryta).

But also, the reason for the ‘construction’ of the bloodstones was to restrict the amount of magic in the world. It is said that the large amount of magic turned the world to chaos, so the bloodstones were constructed to restrain the magic available. And through that the 4 schools of magic came to be…

So, if there are 6 ‘kinds’ of magic, and only 2 are allowed or some are merged, or atleast, the bloodstones restrict the ‘free flow’ of at least 2 types of magic. Then as a dragon, being restrained in regards to the manifestation of your type of magic, would you not try and go after the items that restrain you? For example, attack a certain transport of a particular magic item related to the royal line that is directly related to the creation of these stones…

At least, that is my hypotheses, also posted in the lore section of the forum … but this is getting fairly off topic now, we were discussing if Zaithan can be considered as ‘alive’ seeing there are still 6 orbs, and not 5…

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Posted by: Genlog.4983

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am sure ore i think am sure

that those 6 dragons are just the guards of the main dragon boss

i think that we didt see the full force of the dragons yet

and Zhaitan was just a LT rank elder dragon so if am right there must be a higher rank somewhere ??

maby a black dragon ??

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Posted by: Genlog.4983

Genlog.4983

Zhaitan just drop down below so we never no if he dead ore not ??

and maby those 6 orbs are try to use the power of the pale tree to fuse into 1 big orb ??

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

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Zhaitan BETTER be alive, at least, some form of him.

ANET owes us a real final battle. And I want it to be a solo instance where we get to personally strike him with our sword.

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Posted by: Arghore.8340

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@kain, that is a little harsh don’t you think? not all profession can actually use a sword…

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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They confirmed, over and over, Zhaitan is finished.

Again, that doesn’t mean his power is gone, and his corruption through Risen has stopped existing. As I floated above (and I am sure many before me have) – that’s probably part of why Tequatl suddenly turned into a real threat instead of a loot pinata.

(For a couple months anyway.)

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Posted by: Xukavi.4320

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I’m with the crowd that thinks the Orb that crashed into the center is Mordremoth, though I have a theory. The Eternal Alchemy shows how the universe works. It’s held in balance by those different Orbs which start spinning when the Elder Dragons are awoken. The Orbs in front of each other serve as counter balance to each other. Now what happens when that balance is meddled with. If the Orb that crashed represents Mordremoth then its representing how there was balance and Zhaitan’s death caused imbalance which caused Mordy to crash into the middle Orb. Now the Elder Dragons all play a bigger role including the Pale Tree and Nightmare court and the human gods. They are all linked in the universe held in balance. Killing Zhaitan screwed this up and balance must be restored thus Mordy must be killed.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

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As others have said, Zhaitan may be dead, but the magical energy he embodied is not gone. More than likely, it was simply transferred to another of his minions, most likely Tequatl, who is now in the process of evolving into the next Elder Dragon of Undeath. (Held back a little by the heroes who fight him in Sparkfly Fen.)

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Posted by: Ariella Goldstein.3562

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I’m going with this is what Scar saw, and Z wasn’t dead at the time. Just me though. But does our character get an innate understanding of the dragons after this, driven into their mind by a… wait, wrong game.

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Posted by: Gatharin.2674

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I’m with the crowd that thinks the Orb that crashed into the center is Mordremoth, though I have a theory. The Eternal Alchemy shows how the universe works. It’s held in balance by those different Orbs which start spinning when the Elder Dragons are awoken. The Orbs in front of each other serve as counter balance to each other. Now what happens when that balance is meddled with. If the Orb that crashed represents Mordremoth then its representing how there was balance and Zhaitan’s death caused imbalance which caused Mordy to crash into the middle Orb. Now the Elder Dragons all play a bigger role including the Pale Tree and Nightmare court and the human gods. They are all linked in the universe held in balance. Killing Zhaitan screwed this up and balance must be restored thus Mordy must be killed.

You know, I never thought about it this way and I kind of like it. I too was wondering why the orb that would represent Zhaitan was no different than the other orbs if we had defeated him. But the defeat of Zhaitan (power over death and decay) allowing Mordremoth (power over growth) to go on a rampage actually makes sense.

As for the defeat of Zhaitan and the whole Tequatl thing, my theory on the matter is that the energy of the elder dragons does not inhabit the same body each cycle. The energy released by Zhaitan has started to congregate about the most powerful of Zhaitan’s champions, who will in turn become the next incarnation of Zhaitan. Though Tequatl is not sleeping, it can only be natural to assume that it would take a long time for all of the energy housed in Zhaitan to form around the next incarnation, and thus he wont have been said to have “awoken” again until that happened.

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Posted by: Astralporing.1957

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I dont think the orbs represented the dragons directly. I think the orbs represent the different kinds of magic in the universe. Each dragon just happens to use only one.

story journal says otherwise

It may say otherwise, but it is presented from the character’s point of view. Also, look as the same set of images fits human gods (the pre-Kormir version). Only, while the dragons embody destructive qualities of those elements, the gods seem more complete.

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Posted by: Jordo.5913

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The problem I see with the orbs being the elements, is that it showed the orbs being dormant, and then being lit up as if awakening. The elements are still out there whether they are ingested by the dragons, or being expelled by a dead dragon; never is an element dormant. It is suggested that once an elder dragon eats enough of a certain magic, those professions have a harder time casting spells, but it is never completely gone.

On the other hand, the biggest reason I think Zhaitan is alive, is that if the orbs do represent the Elder Dragons, and if them lighting up show them awakening, shouldn’t they unlight if the dragon is killed? But, Zhaitan’s was lit, and still floating about as if he hasn’t been killed.

Also, I don’t like the energy being transferred to other dragons, even though it makes sense. I mean, in essence that means the fight with the elder dragons will never be over, until we just hang back, and let it eat enough magic to be full, and go back to sleep.

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Posted by: Jordo.5913

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also…WoodenPotatoes just released a video also questioning the same thing!

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Posted by: Ronin.7381

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Well we never saw it’s corpse soooooo I eagerly await the next time Trahearne takes credit for everything.

Assuming he doesn’t get killed by Mord this season…

Well according to a lot of developer commentary in Q&As, Zhaitan’s story was complete. Though Arah EXP was supposed to see him in “some form or another” but over all this was scrapped because of… reasons. So they left the ending ambiguous and pretty much set that there is a body out there somewhere but we wont be visiting it.

That being said, I want to believe that yes, Zhaitan is alive at least in an ethereal form and likely back to hibernating. EDs were described as forces of nature so I do not think, falling to their doom is necessarily the end. Come next cycle he may rise again… theoretically speaking.

I think the cutscene was nothing more than a depiction of balance, that every Dragon has a role to play in renovating Tyria every cycle. And I do agree with WoodPotatoes where he thinks that they kind of compete although it didn’t really seem like Zhaitan was as connected to the Ley Lines like Mord.

Interesting note though that if the signals are meant to be interpreted as the pattern in which they awake, this also suggests that the Pale Tree was actively working to prevent Mord from awakening. This would mean he’s late and not 7 years early.

On the other hand, the biggest reason I think Zhaitan is alive, is that if the orbs do represent the Elder Dragons, and if them lighting up show them awakening, shouldn’t they unlight if the dragon is killed? But, Zhaitan’s was lit, and still floating about as if he hasn’t been killed.

That’s my thought as well. Upon defeat, a dragon’s spirit goes back into its dormant state and then during the next cycle they are reincarnated in some form or another. It just doesn’t seem very plausible that the era in which we play some how manages to kill one despite races prior (Mursaat, Forgotten, Seers, etc) who were immensely powerful couldn’t have stopped them. So I think that corporeal-death is not the end of a dragon.

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Posted by: Naevius.3185

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If you switch the Zhaitan and Mord globes, then it is the Zhaitan globe that slams into the center. But perhaps that is the past, and represents Zhaitan’s (failed?) attack.

And I doubt killing a dragon removes a globe – this is the Eternal Alchemy, afterall. Surely an overgunned airship can’t break it!

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Posted by: Shinzan.2908

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What if the green orb is zhaitan and the gray orb is mordremoth… so the green orb flying into the pale tree is his energy released upon his death flowing out into the world.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

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The thing about the dragon they all seem to be made of different parts as if the “dragon” that we fight is more of something being inhabited by some type of forces. So we killed the body but the magic or force is still there. I think Zhaitan power is going to go to Mord that why mord is going to have a larger reach then Zhaitan and why Zhaitan orb is more green.

Added note now thinking about it we saw scalet view on the world the past not what is happening now so the green orb may be zhaitan the events that are going on now did not happen in the recording the “explosion” may be the dead of Zhaitan and in being dead his power is spreading / corrupting the pail tree.

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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So if you read the story journal, it tells you each orb is represented by a dragon, with the pale tree or tyria represented in the middle.

Primordius – Red
Jormag – Ice Blue
Bubbles- Deep Blue
Morde – Green
Kralk – Purple
Zhaitain – Gray

at first i believe they lit up in order of rising, since red lit up first, but it’s completely out of sync with what the wiki shows

Didn’t it do something like red-blue-white-grey-purple-green?

Because we have no idea WHEN the deep sea dragon awoke.

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Posted by: Jordo.5913

Jordo.5913

true…but like WP said in his video….it should be red, blue, white, grey, green, purple….

morde awakened far before the ley line tap….that’s how he was whispering to Scarlet….it just took the ley line breaking for Morde to be like….“THAT ENERGY, TIME TO SHINE”

in the destiny’s edge book, they also acknowledged that Kralkk was the last dragon to awake

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

Kalavier.1097

Um, evidence?

Destiny’s Edge book they state he’s the most recent to awake. Dragons have been known to affect people while sleeping. You know, Jormag and Svanir and all.

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Posted by: cheshirefox.7026

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above poster is correct… with the exception of the sea dragon we’re pretty certain the sequence in which the elder dragons awaken… assume slide 1 is correct.. then it is the zhaitan draconic energy which collides with tyria… interesting, hm? now looking at the other two slides and going from what we believe is canon.. {the colors in the crucible} then the second slide is true and the draconic energies certainly do not excite in the order we’re familiar with? but i can tell you for certain, neither instance shows a blackout of any orb whatsoever.. i recall killing an elder dragon.. so what exactly am i looking at
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dragons hold magic like sponges hold water.. maybe, they’re more like a filter
{ you’ll excuse me if my theory is out of date or inaccurate.. i don’t watch wooden potato and this topic was already being discussed in detail, so far back on page 2 of this subforum.. so i figured i would be lazy and just paste it } the disorder of the globes could easily be explained by dragon underlings.. destroyers, icebrood, sea brood, husks in a cave, ?glint, risen

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Posted by: Jski.6180

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true…but like WP said in his video….it should be red, blue, white, grey, green, purple….

morde awakened far before the ley line tap….that’s how he was whispering to Scarlet….it just took the ley line breaking for Morde to be like….“THAT ENERGY, TIME TO SHINE”

in the destiny’s edge book, they also acknowledged that Kralkk was the last dragon to awake

So maybe we are mixing things up if the rotating is them being awalk then why would smashing into the world be them awaking agen? I belive the full green is zhaitan and his smashing into the center orb is representative of his death the gray green must be morde becoming full active. I think what happning is zhaitan power is or has become one with the pail tree or terya (not sure how you spell it.)

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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Why would green = zhaitan and grey/black = mordi?

That frankly doesn’t make sense if the colors represent their ‘powers’.

Green, vines and plants.

Grey/black, dead corpses.

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Posted by: Shinzan.2908

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In GW1/GW2 green is also traditionally associated with necromancy.

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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Yeah, and grey/black is never linked toward plants.

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Posted by: Shinzan.2908

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Yeah, and grey/black is never linked toward plants.

The black orb does actually glows a greenish-yellow when it lights up. Also look at some of the Mordrem… http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/3/31/Mordrem_Husk.jpg/450px-Mordrem_Husk.jpg http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/37/Nightmare_Hound.jpg, they seem to have a more dark/wooden than green texture. While zhaitan has a prominent bright green glow inside him http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/49/Zhaitan.jpg. As far as judging this by colors I feel this could go either way.

It would fit better this way in my opinion, because that way the vision reflects both Zhaitan’s defeat and Mordremoth’s awakening last.

Unless the vision doesn’t mean what we think at all in which case all of this is moot.

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Posted by: RedStar.4218

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I’m going with this is what Scar saw, and Z wasn’t dead at the time. Just me though. But does our character get an innate understanding of the dragons after this, driven into their mind by a… wait, wrong game.

But we didn’t see the same thing as her. We didn’t see a thorny vine strangling the Pale Tree, nor did we see new Sylvari being born and others withering.

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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Yeah, and grey/black is never linked toward plants.

The black orb does actually glows a greenish-yellow when it lights up. Also look at some of the Mordrem… http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/3/31/Mordrem_Husk.jpg/450px-Mordrem_Husk.jpg http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/37/Nightmare_Hound.jpg, they seem to have a more dark/wooden than green texture. While zhaitan has a prominent bright green glow inside him http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/49/Zhaitan.jpg. As far as judging this by colors I feel this could go either way.

It would fit better this way in my opinion, because that way the vision reflects both Zhaitan’s defeat and Mordremoth’s awakening last.

Unless the vision doesn’t mean what we think at all in which case all of this is moot.

That hound isn’t even CLOSE to a mordrem hound. Mordrem hounds are actually pretty colorful.

edit: To Redstar:, we also spent something on the order of minutes to maybe half hour/hour in the machine.

Scarlet was in there for days/weeks.

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