Guild Wars 2

So, title says it all for fans of GW1, isnt it about time we had a massive resurgance of everyones favorate insane religious fanatic cult as an ultimate anti-pact, they would be the “perfect” enemy to serve as a reoccuring villian from Season 3 onwards, since you could always find new ways to bring them back and cause new found havok after Lazarus promised revenge in GW1.

Id love to see these guys come back as some kind of anti-pact, perhaps trying to find a way to control the dragons as opposed to killing them.

arent the white mantle in charge of the bandits? And ugh not again, their religious crap got old in GW1 after i did that campaign, i was tired of it mid way through, obliterating them in the battle of lions arch in the extended EOTN was the best mission in that game!

Dante.1763:

arent the white mantle in charge of the bandits? And ugh not again, their religious crap got old in GW1 after i did that campaign, i was tired of it mid way through, obliterating them in the battle of lions arch in the extended EOTN was the best mission in that game!

I didn’t know you spoke for everyone.

Zalani.9827:

Dante.1763:

arent the white mantle in charge of the bandits? And ugh not again, their religious crap got old in GW1 after i did that campaign, i was tired of it mid way through, obliterating them in the battle of lions arch in the extended EOTN was the best mission in that game!

I didn’t know you spoke for everyone.

Never said i did, youll notice i spoke specifically for myself. “I was tired” I Not everyone, I.

The OP spoke for everyone though, “everyones favorate insane religious fanatic cult”

they arent my favorite, not even close.

Dante.1763:

Zalani.9827:

Dante.1763:

arent the white mantle in charge of the bandits? And ugh not again, their religious crap got old in GW1 after i did that campaign, i was tired of it mid way through, obliterating them in the battle of lions arch in the extended EOTN was the best mission in that game!

I didn’t know you spoke for everyone.

Never said i did, youll notice i spoke specifically for myself. “I was tired” I Not everyone, I.

The OP spoke for everyone though, “everyones favorate insane religious fanatic cult”

they arent my favorite, not even close.

Sorry,but it came off that way when I read it. I understand that you don’t like them but there are a lot who do like them and want to see them and especially the Mursaat return.

Which might actually happen with possible white mantle lead bandits in the raid,but its not entirely known yet.

Zalani.9827:

Sorry,but it came off that way when I read it. I understand that you don’t like them but there are a lot who do like them and want to see them and especially the Mursaat return.

Which might actually happen with possible white mantle lead bandits in the raid,but its not entirely known yet.

The mursaat i would love to see return, but without the white mantle. I love the way the mursaat look, and their lore.

Plus, the mursaats mission failed, if i recall correctly, so they might not be a villain anymore if they return!

I vote for Mursaat army vs elder dragon

The problem with pulling random villains from GW1 to serve as GW2 villains is that all the GW1 ones were human focused. Why would the Charr care about the White Mantle? Have they ever interacted at all? They certainly never interacted with any Asura, Norn, or Sylvari. To 80% of the playable races, the White Mantle are just some forgettable combination of bandits and cultists.

And we already had an Anti-Pact, with Scarlet’s armies. Much like the Pact, her armies were cobbled together from various factions that usually opposed each other but worked together for a greater goal.

EDIT: and we also know how a Mursaat vs Elder Dragon fight would go. They already fought, and the Mursaat lost.

Zalani.9827:

Dante.1763:

arent the white mantle in charge of the bandits? And ugh not again, their religious crap got old in GW1 after i did that campaign, i was tired of it mid way through, obliterating them in the battle of lions arch in the extended EOTN was the best mission in that game!

I didn’t know you spoke for everyone.

when did he say he spoke for everyone

Regarding why the mantle would work for other races:

The idea in my head canon was that the mantle could be lead by Lazarus in the shadows, using the pacts defeat to start coersing people into thinking you know what, sure they got the job done but they took alot of lives to do it.

Almost ironically considering Lazarus and the Mursaats methods, he would then poison people against the Pact by convincing them that “his” way the “mantle” way could be used as a more effective counter, demonstrating by one shotting a lesser dragon LT, maybe the Shatterer or something.

Combine this with his other method of gathering troops, he goes to scarlets former armies, the Aethers, Molten Alliance, Toxic Alliance and so on, gathering their support while building the mantle into something more than just its origional group of religious fanatics, but a new world order, with “him” at the top.

They become something of an anti-pact, evolving from the mantle of old into a newer faction, maybe the mantle, maybe something else, something ultimatley, that rivals the pact, something powerful, and formiddable, but ruled by much more unethical ideals.

We throughout Season 3 onwards try to stop it, but in the end he succeeds by outwitting us and forcing us to deal with proxy affairs like Lions Arch having feuds with Sylvari, distracting us from the real threat thats growing in the shadows.

After its inital insurgency the mantles new face and existance allows it to spread globally, becomming the worlds “biggest” super threat save the dragons themselves.

This basically allows the mantle to be more than just an average enemy we wipe out after one season or expansion, it allows them to be a reoccuring villian, weather Lazarus dies at the end of S3 and his matyrdom allows the mantle to spread like a wildfire, or, that he simply influences the world with his manpulations forfilling his promise that generations would suffer, he ultimatley succeeds and creates an enemy that we will know for a long time to come.

Endlessly tormenting us in various ways with smaller cells from his deaths legacy.

I’m all for return of White Mantles as long as they Mursaat back with them. I was really disappointed when Exalted turn out not to be related to our Unseen – Overlords :P
All things considered Mursaat should hate Elder Dragons at least as much as they hate other races, plus they made out of magic so they are high on ED’s To-Eat-List. Maybe pitting one against another, or joining forces into unlikely alliance to fight bigger threat?

Dante.1763:

arent the white mantle in charge of the bandits? And ugh not again, their religious crap got old in GW1 after i did that campaign, i was tired of it mid way through, obliterating them in the battle of lions arch in the extended EOTN was the best mission in that game!

It sounds like it resulted in a very satisfying climax for you. Perhaps we should have them back.

Eponet.4829:

It sounds like it resulted in a very satisfying climax for you. Perhaps we should have them back.

No, it was bittersweet, i never wanted/want, to see them again after that mission, the whole story with them was meh(the regular story, far to religious for me), and the least favorite of the GW1 missions arcs for me. Especially if they are going to do the exact same thing as they did in GW1.

Id love to see the mursaat back, and seeing as their mission failed(to keep this closed http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Door_of_Komalie), they might not be evil if they where to come back, as i said earlier, they might lend us their power since we are doing what they couldnt, defeating the Elder dragons.

My question however hasnt been answered. Dont the white mantle control the bandits?

It is too late to suggest a villain for season three, most of it will have already been written. It takes time to make content and season three would have had its story planned a while ago.

The White Mantle are basically just the human version of the Flame Legion at this point, but far less effective. Religious zealots driven from power with their ‘gods’ defeated right in front of them, but still around over two centuries later out of sheer thick-headed tenacity.

As for the WM and bandits, I imagine they work with them, like the centaurs do in some instances, but not all of them.

I don’t even think the White Mantle exists in the same capacity as it did in the past. The Flame Legion does in fact still exist in the same strength even though it’s been battered back and charr society has moved around their existence.

Krytan humans just plowed under the White Mantle and anything left seems to be a pathetic remnant trying to be still relevant. While being overshadowed by centaurs as a threat, and that’s assuming Minister Caudecus is party to any of this. (Not that there will be proof short of him admitting it in a public space. He’s not that dumb.)

I would love to see White Mantle to return! I’ve Always found them interesting and pretty kitten, and I wanted aswell to join them back in GW1, BUT NOOOOOOOO YOU GOTTA BE ON THE GOOD GUYS SIDE, BLA BLA BLA,

1+ for White Mantle’s return!

Captain Unusual.9163:

The problem with pulling random villains from GW1 to serve as GW2 villains is that all the GW1 ones were human focused. Why would the Charr care about the White Mantle? Have they ever interacted at all? They certainly never interacted with any Asura, Norn, or Sylvari. To 80% of the playable races, the White Mantle are just some forgettable combination of bandits and cultists.

And we already had an Anti-Pact, with Scarlet’s armies. Much like the Pact, her armies were cobbled together from various factions that usually opposed each other but worked together for a greater goal.

EDIT: and we also know how a Mursaat vs Elder Dragon fight would go. They already fought, and the Mursaat lost.

No, they didn’t, they phased out of world. And Saul returning with the Mursaat defeated the charr army invading Kryta so yeah they def dealt with each other.

Anything pull from GW1 to GW2 is so worth it! I know it probably will never happen but I love to see the Evil Trinity of Gods return! (Abaddon, Dhuum and Menzies. The later never appeard but it be great if they apear as an Evil Trinity)

It doesn`t have to be the white mantle vs. the Pact.

The white mantle return could still be of value:

- We got the political struggle in Kryta (Caudecus aiding the bandits, Queen Jenna not being a legitimate heir of the throne, anise working in the shadows, etc. )
- There is a locket that shows the real heir of the Krytan throne.
- Humans got enough reasons to hate other races at the moment. The Charr for the past and the Sylvari for the present problems.

So we got one opposition (Caudecus) allready who works with the White Mantle. A human centric group who went on a crusade for their belief: To protect the humans
Even if they were guided by false gods, most of them were doing it because they thought it was right.

They even stayed with the Mursaat after their plot has been revealed and tried to protect and later reclaim the Throne.

They have advanced knowledge on the bloodstones and other magic.
We don`t know how much they have learned over the years they went into hiding.
There could also be a Mursaat still be living.

However even without the Mursaat, the White Mantle could come up as the saviours of the humans, going on a crusade to fight everything that could harm them.
This would include hunting down Sylvari, as they are eldar dragon minions, which would tie into the preview of HoT we got at the end of LS2.

CaptainVanguard.4925:

Id love to see these guys come back as some kind of anti-pact, perhaps trying to find a way to control the dragons as opposed to killing them.

There’s already an anti-Pact. It’s called dragons.

Mordremoth is one. He was pretty successful, actually.

Everyone was talking about it for a while. It was kind of a big deal.

Oh, oops, sorry.

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white mantle would be nice. The pact i’ve already seen too much in the gw 2 franchise, too much nato/un global like. would be nice if the mantle got some other organisation or faction against them. Some Charr, Norn love would be nice (yes i love them :-) )