Guild Wars 2

I am totally confused by the picture we’ve got yesterday.

The picture doesn’t show where the episode will take place. It’s some kind of teaser to expansion I think.
Anyway after ep 5 it was clearly said that our next point is convincing Braham/Norn to not kill or attack at least the Elder Dragon Jormag. Well I still think there is a chance that they won’t listen to us and they will go to the Shiverpeaks anyway, but we will see.

Everbody expected that we’ll go to the new expansion map through Ebonhawke but it seems the gate will lead through Arah what is very surprising and I have no idea why.

Orr recovers slowly and I don’t expect any big coming back to Orr. We cleansed Orr but after few years we found out in a Caladbolg quest that everything in The Artesian Waters is the same.

And there’s also many risen remain.

So I think we should depend on what we’ve learned from previous episodes.

I hope the trailer which will be posted on Tuesday would show what will happen in ep 6 and not what may happen in the finale as it was in 4 last trailers.

We are in point of the most important things and where gw2 is going to take the players.

My prediction before the trailer is:
-we are going to Tarir and we’ll catch up with Aurene/Caithe
-then we will come to Hoelbrak (Taimi will try to convince Braham there is a better idea to memorize his mother) ->and then he will make a decision.
-I would like to see that Norn will take the fight with Jormag anyway. But it’s unlikely if it is the Finale and it seems we will go to a pre-expansion map.
-it’s weird we are going to Orr. We have no reason to go there: we don’t need any samples for Taimi. Even if the risens will show some Mordremothic things.
-but maybe we will release that if Balthazar returned so perhaps he and the other Gods have their base in Arah (Arah is their home and it’s pointed as the place where the life in Tyria began.

It’s reasonable but it’s a speculation.

The topic says that there’s no reason to return to Orr, but I wrote that because we have no reason to go there now. The whole LS3 story leaded us to the one current.

And I hope we’ll find it out in the trailer or the episode.

We have no reason to go there but it doesn’t mean we will not.

We have plenty of reasons to go there, though.

There’s the link to the gods, as you mention.

There’s Logan taking over the Pact, which means he may want to take a look at current operations in Orr. Given our close ties to him, and having been a big part of taking Orr ourselves, it makes sense that he’d want us with him.

Orr is also where we killed our first dragon, but we weren’t thinking about the consequences at the time. There’s likely to be a lot of unbound magic left behind, and Taimi may want to examine the site to see if she can get any new data on how dragons are absorbing and passing on magic to each other.

Finally, we need to see if any of the events after Zhaitan’s death have affected the Risen there. If they have, then that means that the dragons that gained Zhaitan’s death powers may be able to influence them. Which would mean that those that gained Mordremoth’s powers may be able to influence Sylvari. That’s really important to know.

I’m sure we’ll go other places as well, but we have good reason to head for Orr.

Orr makes perfect sense (for a change) given the last episode. The problem is how many loose threads there are, given they promised us and end to doing just that. That’s why going to Jormag/Braham…also made sense.

Out of curiosity though, over a week ago you said you were unlikely to return to the game. Does whether we head to Orr or Jormag matter if that is the case?

No reason to go to Orr? We’re fighting a god, and Orr has the most knowledge about the gods, their nature, and the things they did and kept while on Tyria. Balthazar may want something that is in Orr (or Arah even).

But who says only Orr can house Orrian architecture? Orr had many settlements outside of the peninsula.

No reason! Never mind it was the home of our rogue god, where his temple is, and where might find or learn the most about Baldy,

Read the 1st post @Konig and @Amaimon.

I mentioned that the commander can realize that there can be the camp where possibly the God/Gods are living. That would explain why the commander said in ep 5 that “he is here but not here”.

All I meant is that we have no reason to go there because we don’t know why.

The things about Balthazar or Logan are just speculations.

@Randulf I left gw2, but it doesn’t mean I don’t want to know how ls3 will end.
And also I like to talk with you guys about your thoughts and observations.

I left GW2 because I have no reason to play and I can watch some reacts of Inks or Potatoes or Aurora Peachy instead of playing by myself (some personal things). And in the post about my leaving I wrote “See you soon on this forum” I hope you’d think you could rid of me so easily.

But anyway I hope I will find the answers in the trailer. Why to Arah? Why not to Ebonhawke?

We’ll see.

Arden.7480:

Read the 1st post @Konig and @Amaimon.

I mentioned that the commander can realize that there can be the camp where possibly the God/Gods are living. That would explain why the commander said in ep 5 that “he is here but not here”.

All I meant is that we have no reason to go there because we don’t know why.

We’ll see.

Were not going to Orr to chase Baldy, we’re going to Orr to find lore on him, to find out what happened, so we know how to deal with him

As for your other point, i do agree its strange we’re not going after Braham. Right now a vengeful norn whose diaper needs changing is a threat to all tyrian life, if he actually manages to find and kill Jormag

Arden.7480:

I mentioned that the commander can realize that there can be the camp where possibly the God/Gods are living. That would explain why the commander said in ep 5 that “he is here but not here”.

All I meant is that we have no reason to go there because we don’t know why.

The things about Balthazar or Logan are just speculations.

Know your enemy. That alone is plenty reason enough to make a trek to Orr or at least the Durmand Priory which would have volumes of information on Balthazar.

Doesn’t matter whether Balthazar had been there recently or not, if any knowledge on Balthazar’s capabilities, motivations, or potential hints to his state of being may exist, it is most likely to exist in Orr.

Arden.7480:

But anyway I hope I will find the answers in the trailer. Why to Arah? Why not to Ebonhawke?

Better question: Why go to Ebonhawke? There is literally nothing in our plot that connects us to Ascalon except for Rytlock’s trial and that has no relation to Ebonhawke. The only reason why anyone brings up Ebonhawke is because of the Desert Gate and the leaks of us going to Elona in the expansion. But there are more than one way to Elona – Orr and even Mount Maelstrom (via Judgment Rock) can easily act as such. And given the leaks, they are far more likely unless we’re traveling through branded territory to get to the Crystal Desert – which seems silly when we have clearly-not-hostile territory to travel through (Scavenger’s Causeway / Judgement Rock).

Orr is literally right next to Elona. I think that alone would be a good reason to go back there. On top of all of the other things mentioned in this thread.
You could also go through the disabled Asura gate at Ebonhawke, but that area is probably infested with branded and Joko zombies. Pact race controlled Orr would probably be a much safer (albeit probably still horribly dangerous) jumping off point for any campaign into Elona. And won’t threaten whatever border security Ebonhawke has going on.

I cringe every time I see someone suggesting Braham and the Norn should be the focus of the season finale. It’s easily the least important part of the story. Who cares if they fight Jormag anyway, they are only going to get themselves killed.

There are several reasons to return to Orr, many of which have been mentioned such as Arah being the home of the Gods before the Exodus. Not only that, but when Zhaitan pulled Orr from the depths it changed a great deal of geography including a place on the map where you can see the eastern shoreline of Orr connecting to Scavenger’s Causeway.

In respect to the Risen issue, that’s actually covered in the “Sword Regrown” instance.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Sword_Regrown_

Vigil Warmaster: Welcome to the Artesian Waters, Commander. We heard you were coming and solidified the perimeter.
(Player) Commander: It’s been a while since I visited—how are things faring here in Orr?
Vigil Warmaster: With Zhaitan dead, we’ve made good progress clearing the rest of his army. It’s still a waterlogged wreck though. I wouldn’t invest in property here anytime soon if I were you, sir.

Plus it’s been several years since we killed Zhaitan and Trahearne set magic in motion to restore Orr, so this is a good chance outside of the static maps stuck in time to see how that has affected everything.

So here’s what I’m guessing makes somewhat sense of the image. I feel that it may actually take over the area between Blootide Coast/Sparkfly Fen and Timberline Falls. It’s roughly the size of Doric and that would actually be a good spot to fill in. Though it could be further into Orr, here’s where I doubt that’s the case. I’m pretty sure Orr is where we’re headed in the new expansion. According to Taimi the Elder dragons were returned to their pre awakened state. Which may mean we’re getting another Orr Dragon, it may be having Aurene take up that spot and the power vacuum left with the death of Zhaitan or possibly a reborn Zhaitan/a Zhaitan’s offspring. Maybe a hidden dragon that is found beneath the area. There is a lot of Orr mobs in lower BC and Upper right corner of SF. I’m guessing that whoever seizes the power of the area will control the Orr. And with the human god’s home being right there it would actually make sense to be rushing in to prevent them from exploiting the leaderless Orr in the area.

I think the next expansion is headed south below Orr. I’m guessing the human god’s are building up in the area to push north and take over Tyria.

I will probably be wrong, but I think it would be a good shift into the human god’s being the next big bad that needs to be handled.

RabbitUp.8294:

I cringe every time I see someone suggesting Braham and the Norn should be the focus of the season finale. It’s easily the least important part of the story. Who cares if they fight Jormag anyway, they are only going to get themselves killed.

Because three three reasons, and yes, we all hate Braham

1, he has magical arrows believed to able to kill the Serpent now.
2, Taimi believes killing another Dragon can be catastrophically catalytic
3, Jormag is most likely knocked out at the moment

As a result, Braham is currently one of the biggest threats in the world because he still thinks with his unchanged diaper

I am so happy we are going to Orr. But we can easily ask the priests of Balthazar in Divinity’s Reach. Or just go to Straits of Devastation.

In one of the episodes of LS2 the Asura (I forgot his name but he is a highly ranked Durmand Priory member- remind me please if you can) anx he said that he was preparing to give a speech about Balthazar and probably the other Gods too.
It’s still surprising me because why were they talking about the Gods after ~1320 years?

And what did they conclude?

I loved the chapters from Ls2 who were taking us to DP HQ. And I am glad obviously that we could come back there in the matter of the Shadowstone and LLAnomalies .

i heard some theories that the last episode will be longer than the others so perhaps going to Orr doesn’t mean we won’t deal with Norn 1st or we will work in separates groups- Rox, Taimi and possibly Rytlock will go to Hoelbrak and we will as the Commander head to the new location because Logan will call us or something .

It’s obvious we will go to the new map solo so we have to find our team something to do.

So where will we start the ep6?? Few possibilities:
1) Rata Novus- meeting with Taimi and discussing a plan.
2) Lion’s Arch- We will talk Logan about what happened but it seems unlikely because he has no reason to send us there. So perhaps the commander will talk with him that we need some troops to find something about Balthazar or whatever.
3) Hoelbrak- confrontation with Braham
4) Divinity’s Reach- talking to the Priests
5) Durmand Priory HQ in Lornar’s Pass- talk to Asura I mentioned or to Ogden. And chech some books.

I don’t know everything seems so complicated. I have no idea why and with what circumstances we are heading to Orr. This is the most difficult speculating I’ve ever had…

Because of Balthazar right? But why there if we have Durmand Priory, Priests of Balthazar? Or why not to Straits of Devastation where his Cathedral is placed??

I am done with speculating until the trailer will be showed.

Amaimon.7823:

RabbitUp.8294:

I cringe every time I see someone suggesting Braham and the Norn should be the focus of the season finale. It’s easily the least important part of the story. Who cares if they fight Jormag anyway, they are only going to get themselves killed.

Because three three reasons, and yes, we all hate Braham

1, he has magical arrows believed to able to kill the Serpent now.
2, Taimi believes killing another Dragon can be catastrophically catalytic
3, Jormag is most likely knocked out at the moment

As a result, Braham is currently one of the biggest threats in the world because he still thinks with his unchanged diaper

That’s all based on the idea that Braham and a handful of Norns can cut their way through the Icebrood, reach the dragon and kill it.

This is not finale-worthy material. Jormag has been knocked out and we still haven’t received our plot ticket for Elona.

Yes, we might spent the first part of the episode going to Hoelbrack or some area up north, but to think that Braham (and this is not about hating Braham, it’s about the story) would be the ending of the season? That this plot thread deserves its own new map. Please.

Orr, and specifically Arah is the home of the Gods. We are fighting a God. I’m surprised there’s even any doubt as to why we are going to Orr.

In the last chapter of Flashpoint was clearly said that we are going to Hoelbrak and meet Braham until it won’t be too late. Taimi said that she got news from Rox that Norn are celebrating ever since. So we have to go to Hoelbrak anyway.

We cannot judge how the finale will look after seeing one picture. It just shows that we may go through Orr to pre-expansion map. It doesn’t mean we will necessarily go to Orr because of “learning our ‘enemy’”. We have many ways to learn Balthazar- as I said- priests of Balthazar, Durmand Priory- Ogden for example.

And you Konig should know that there’s many other ways to learn something about Balthazar not necessarily run to Orr and seek… what??

We were in Orr during Caladbolg quest and the man there said:
“With Zhaitan dead, we’ve made good progress clearing the rest of his army. It’s still a waterlogged wreck though. I wouldn’t invest in property here anytime soon if I were you, sir.”

I think the people expect too much from this Orr-ianic thingy and Canthan-or-whatever ship.

Better to end one thread with our lost friend than throw ourselves to Orr for no reason.

Egrimm Van Horstmann.7921:

So here’s what I’m guessing makes somewhat sense of the image. I feel that it may actually take over the area between Blootide Coast/Sparkfly Fen and Timberline Falls. It’s roughly the size of Doric and that would actually be a good spot to fill in. Though it could be further into Orr, here’s where I doubt that’s the case. I’m pretty sure Orr is where we’re headed in the new expansion. According to Taimi the Elder dragons were returned to their pre awakened state. Which may mean we’re getting another Orr Dragon, it may be having Aurene take up that spot and the power vacuum left with the death of Zhaitan or possibly a reborn Zhaitan/a Zhaitan’s offspring. Maybe a hidden dragon that is found beneath the area. There is a lot of Orr mobs in lower BC and Upper right corner of SF. I’m guessing that whoever seizes the power of the area will control the Orr. And with the human god’s home being right there it would actually make sense to be rushing in to prevent them from exploiting the leaderless Orr in the area.

I think the next expansion is headed south below Orr. I’m guessing the human god’s are building up in the area to push north and take over Tyria.

I will probably be wrong, but I think it would be a good shift into the human god’s being the next big bad that needs to be handled.

I don’t think you are right. The location you describe has no water and we see a ship in the small teaser of Anet.

RabbitUp.8294:

Amaimon.7823:

RabbitUp.8294:

I cringe every time I see someone suggesting Braham and the Norn should be the focus of the season finale. It’s easily the least important part of the story. Who cares if they fight Jormag anyway, they are only going to get themselves killed.

Because three three reasons, and yes, we all hate Braham

1, he has magical arrows believed to able to kill the Serpent now.
2, Taimi believes killing another Dragon can be catastrophically catalytic
3, Jormag is most likely knocked out at the moment

As a result, Braham is currently one of the biggest threats in the world because he still thinks with his unchanged diaper

That’s all based on the idea that Braham and a handful of Norns can cut their way through the Icebrood, reach the dragon and kill it.

This is not finale-worthy material. Jormag has been knocked out and we still haven’t received our plot ticket for Elona.

Yes, we might spent the first part of the episode going to Hoelbrack or some area up north, but to think that Braham (and this is not about hating Braham, it’s about the story) would be the ending of the season? That this plot thread deserves its own new map. Please.

Orr, and specifically Arah is the home of the Gods. We are fighting a God. I’m surprised there’s even any doubt as to why we are going to Orr.

Don’t get me wrong, i have little doubt the new map is in Orr. My point is mostly that anet shouldn’t ignore Braham. And i would find it very unbelievable that we can simply talk a brat like him out of his vendetta, So i assume we arrest him or, or knock him cold. We don’t need a new map for that. We can intercept him in Hoelbrak or Bitterfrost Frontier all the same.

I’m not sure if I’ve said so publicly, but returning to Orr was one of my predictions for Episode 6. It makes a lot of sense – if there’s anything to be found on Balthazar that’s not already known to the Durmand Priory, but which is somewhere that the PC can reasonably be expected to go looking to try to find it, it’ll be in Orr.

(Of course, it’s possible that what we find in Orr will be the first step of a journey that will lead elsewhere.)

Granted, Braham is a loose thread – however, my understanding of the end of Episode 5 points to Taimi and the PC essentially believing that the worst-case scenarios are defused. Taimi believes that Braham doesn’t have what it would take to kill Jormag. However, with Jormag possibly back in hibernation, the risk of Braham’s expeditionary force getting Verdant Brinked is probably quite small – in fact, it makes it a good time for the norn to push north.

So it’s possible that the Pact Commander will visit Hoelbrak to attempt to touch bases with Braham, but won’t go deeper into the Shiverpeaks than that. Or it’s possible that Rox will tell us that Braham still doesn’t want to hear from us, and the PC and Taimi will decide that it won’t hurt anything to just let him blow off some steam. Either way, there’s no need for the next map to be in the Shiverpeaks.

Personally, I consider Rytlock’s trial to be a bigger dangling thread, but if and when we get to see that, it will probably be in the Black Citadel and, hence, not requiring a map.

Squee.7829:

Orr is literally right next to Elona. I think that alone would be a good reason to go back there. On top of all of the other things mentioned in this thread.
You could also go through the disabled Asura gate at Ebonhawke, but that area is probably infested with branded and Joko zombies. Pact race controlled Orr would probably be a much safer (albeit probably still horribly dangerous) jumping off point for any campaign into Elona. And won’t threaten whatever border security Ebonhawke has going on.

Joko’s forces have been fighting Zhaitan’s risen for the past century in the southern Crystal Desert. Given we now know (via leaks) that Kralkatorrik flew south after fighting Destiny’s Edge it’s unlikely that Joko has bothered sending many forces as far north as just south of Ebonhawke.

So Joko’s forces would be closer to Orr, all things considered, and fighting their way there if they had any intention to fight Zhaitan whether they know Big Z died or not (given risen keep acting like he’s alive in Arah explorable).

RabbitUp.8294:

I cringe every time I see someone suggesting Braham and the Norn should be the focus of the season finale. It’s easily the least important part of the story. Who cares if they fight Jormag anyway, they are only going to get themselves killed.

What plot is more important?

Rytlock’s trial? Not even a single word towards that since episode 2.

Primordus? Solved for the time being, and all that’s left is at best a single instance worth.

White Mantle? Gone with Episode 4.

All that’s left is confirming Jormag’s case, keeping Braham from killing a hibernating Jormag (if he’s asleep) so that Braham doesn’t unintentionally wipe out the world, figuring out what happened to Balthazar, and somehow connecting us to the next expansion.

And of those situations, the two former are more important than the third. Only the last really tops it all off.

Egrimm Van Horstmann.7921:

I’m pretty sure Orr is where we’re headed in the new expansion.

THere’s not enough room in Orr for the whole expansion, and honestly, we got pretty kitten convincing leaks showing us five expansion zones (including waypoints) and a guild hall… And it's in Elona.

Egrimm Van Horstmann.7921:

According to Taimi the Elder dragons were returned to their pre awakened state.

That’s still speculative on Taimi’s part. All we know is that Primordus’ power has weakened to a pre-awakening state. We cannot even be certain Primordus is asleep, let alone Jormag, and the other two were fully untouched.

Arden.7480:

I am so happy we are going to Orr. But we can easily ask the priests of Balthazar in Divinity’s Reach. Or just go to Straits of Devastation.
[…]
I don’t know everything seems so complicated. I have no idea why and with what circumstances we are heading to Orr. This is the most difficult speculating I’ve ever had…

Because of Balthazar right? But why there if we have Durmand Priory, Priests of Balthazar? Or why not to Straits of Devastation where his Cathedral is placed??

There’s bound to be a LOT of things in Arah that isn’t in either of those – especially DR. Arah had forbidden vaults filled with weapons, tools, and scrolls, after all.

Why does everyone think WE need to deal with Braham? The Order of Whispers knows how to deal with problems like him, and I know he’s not ready for that.

They could kill him, or just take the bow. Really, Braham isn’t the threat, the bow is. If it disappears, then he’s harmless. (Well, aside from all the Norn (and one charr with pets) that he’ll get killed. But harmless on the ‘end the world’ scale.)

hmmm maybe they should make Braham turn into an antagonist ? He could fail his attempt to kill Jormag and become corrupted.

flog.3485:

hmmm maybe they should make Braham turn into an antagonist ? He could fail his attempt to kill Jormag and become corrupted.

As much as I would enjoy kicking his kitten he’s so worthless even Jormag would be like, “Yeah, screw that kitten! I don’t want a kid on my team lol”

Palador.2170:

Why does everyone think WE need to deal with Braham? The Order of Whispers knows how to deal with problems like him, and I know he’s not ready for that.

They could kill him, or just take the bow. Really, Braham isn’t the threat, the bow is. If it disappears, then he’s harmless. (Well, aside from all the Norn (and one charr with pets) that he’ll get killed. But harmless on the ‘end the world’ scale.)

The orders? What are those? Are they affiliated with the pact at all? Theres something in the back of my head that says the orders exist but…

This is the worst thing for Norn that they cannot defeat their Enemy…
I wonder how the commander is going to say to Norn that they cannot kill this Dragon, the one who destroyed their lands, homes. “Hi Norn, you can’t kill Jormag because Taimi thinks that it can destroy Tyria. Bye”

Do you think taking away his bow will solve all the problems?? So if we would know that killing Mordy was bad would we say to Sylvari that killing Mordy is bad for environment ?

He was an enemy who wanted destroy Sylvari’s minds and Pale Tree.
Jormag is the enemy for norn. He destroyed everything what’s Norn. So they deserve to kill it and to end this awful thread of norn.

Stupid leaks say that we are going to the other places… But I would love to see Norn as the major Race and Jormag as the thread.
Leaks really destroy the fun… But I checked them and I have to regret seeing them.

Can’t wait to see the trailer.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

What plot is more important?

Balthazar? Nothing else is more important right now, he’s the single biggest thread, even the dragons are not that dangerous right now, 2 of them are asleep, while Kralka and Bubbles are not actively threatening us right now.

Rytlock’s trial? Not even a single word towards that since episode 2.

There’s nothing to be said about it. The trial is a scheduled thing, we will get word of it when it happens, and it could happen in episode 6, or the next expansion.

Arden.7480:

This is the worst thing for Norn that they cannot defeat their Enemy…
I wonder how the commander is going to say to Norn that they cannot kill this Dragon, the one who destroyed their lands, homes. “Hi Norn, you can’t kill Jormag because Taimi thinks that it can destroy Tyria. Bye”

Do you think taking away his bow will solve all the problems?? So if we would know that killing Mordy was bad would we say to Sylvari that killing Mordy is bad for environment ?

He was an enemy who wanted destroy Sylvari’s minds and Pale Tree.
Jormag is the enemy for norn. He destroyed everything what’s Norn. So they deserve to kill it and to end this awful thread of norn.

Stupid leaks say that we are going to the other places… But I would love to see Norn as the major Race and Jormag as the thread.
Leaks really destroy the fun… But I checked them and I have to regret seeing them.

Can’t wait to see the trailer.

It’s no different than asura having to accept the same for Primordus. If anything, they lost a lot more than the Norn.

Amaimon.7823:

RabbitUp.8294:

I cringe every time I see someone suggesting Braham and the Norn should be the focus of the season finale. It’s easily the least important part of the story. Who cares if they fight Jormag anyway, they are only going to get themselves killed.

Because three three reasons, and yes, we all hate Braham

1, he has magical arrows believed to able to kill the Serpent now.
2, Taimi believes killing another Dragon can be catastrophically catalytic
3, Jormag is most likely knocked out at the moment

As a result, Braham is currently one of the biggest threats in the world because he still thinks with his unchanged diaper

Not really sure why anyone thinks Braham, magic spear and all, is a bigger threat to an elder dragon than the God of War though. I don’t look at those two guys and think Braham is the bigger problem.

I think Balthazar is a much bigger problem.

Vayne.8563:

Amaimon.7823:

RabbitUp.8294:

I cringe every time I see someone suggesting Braham and the Norn should be the focus of the season finale. It’s easily the least important part of the story. Who cares if they fight Jormag anyway, they are only going to get themselves killed.

Because three three reasons, and yes, we all hate Braham

1, he has magical arrows believed to able to kill the Serpent now.
2, Taimi believes killing another Dragon can be catastrophically catalytic
3, Jormag is most likely knocked out at the moment

As a result, Braham is currently one of the biggest threats in the world because he still thinks with his unchanged diaper

Not really sure why anyone thinks Braham, magic spear and all, is a bigger threat to an elder dragon than the God of War though. I don’t look at those two guys and think Braham is the bigger problem.

I think Balthazar is a much bigger problem.

I never said Balthazar was a lesser threat. But we’re choosing better nuclear fallout and napalm rain. What’s your pick? (Bit of a hyperbole, but you get my point)

We are most likely going to confront Braham in Hoelbrak at the beginning of this episode, as the finale for last episode hinted, since we learned last episode that the Norn has not even begun making preparations to move North yet. They have spent their entire time partying all day 24/7.

Most likely when we arrive the Norn are still partying in Hoelbrak and we find Braham angry that the Norns are just partying instead of preparing to move North. (or Braham is in a complete drunk state about how disappointed he is with himself and how he failed everyone)

After that we most likely get word about heading to the new Map then head to that area after we dealt with Braham in probably a very quick manner since the Norn are too busy Partying.

Also, i believe both Balthazar and the death of Jormag are both Nuclear bombs ready to blow since we learned that balthazar plans may not stop at just gaining power from one Elder Dragon which wold means he is going after the other Elder Dragon and may kill one but right now it is a choice between either the active Nuclear bomb (Balthazar and his plans to gain more power from other Elder Dragons that most likely end up killing a Elder Dragon) or the current self delaying Nuclear Bomb (Braham plans to cause Jormag’s death but currently being delayed by the Norns partying 24/7).

The Commander is currently at a cross road right now between acting against two Nuclear Bombs but the ideal choice would be to go after the active one being Balthazar since he has already begun preparations and action to take Elder Dragon’s Magic to empower himself which will kill the Elder Dragon once they are fully drained compared to Braham who has yet to actually begun preparations and direct action against Jormag.

RabbitUp.8294:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

What plot is more important?

Balthazar? Nothing else is more important right now, he’s the single biggest thread, even the dragons are not that dangerous right now, 2 of them are asleep, while Kralka and Bubbles are not actively threatening us right now.

Balthazar disappeared at the end of Episode 5. Until he returns, he’s as good as put on the bus just like Primordus.

And he’s far from the biggest threat – we don’t know what his goal is now that he got power. All signs show that he’s not out to destroy Tyria or wreck havoc on the civilizations of the world, just that he doesn’t care if his actions result in such. So he could easily become an ally in the near future – akin to Vegeta in Dragonball if you would.

Until we get confirmation, however, Jormag is as good as being both awake and active still. And even if he is asleep, Braham has the full intention of killing Jormag – and you heard Taimi in Episode 5, didn’t you? Kill one more Elder Dragon and the world dies. Our goal at the end of Episode 5 wasn’t just to stop Balthazar – it was to keep the remaining four Elder Dragons alive.

So I think a norn with both a world-ending goal and the power to fulfill it is a more immediate threat than a god who’s goal is to kill someone who probably isn’t even on this world.

Vayne.8563:

Not really sure why anyone thinks Braham, magic spear and all, is a bigger threat to an elder dragon than the God of War though. I don’t look at those two guys and think Braham is the bigger problem.

I think Balthazar is a much bigger problem.

When people say “bigger threat” they often mean “more immediate threat”. In the same manner that during Season 2, Mordremoth was the more immediate threat compared to the other three nearby Elder Dragons despite the fact they’ve likely absorbed far more magic than Mordremoth had. Mordremoth was not necessarily a bigger threat than Jormag, Primordus, or Kralkatorrik but he was by far the more immediate threat.

If Braham kills Jormag, world ends.

If Balthazar kills whoever weakened him, we don’t know what happens.

Unlike Braham, Balthazar’s goals may not result in world or even continental or even national destruction. His goal is very clearly vengeance against who weakened him, but that person or people is not the Elder Dragons – or even on the world, chances are. We had to stop him in Episode 5 because his actions then were threatening the world, but now that he got power like he wanted and we kept the world from dying the threat level of Balthazar is unknown.

EdwinLi.1284:

Also, i believe both Balthazar and the death of Jormag are both Nuclear bombs ready to blow since we learned that balthazar plans may not stop at just gaining power from one Elder Dragon which wold means he is going after the other Elder Dragon and may kill one

Nothing implies that he is going to go after another power source. At the endo f the instance, Balthazar says “I am feeling much better.” and willingly leaves before the machine explodes.

This implies to me more that he has the power he wanted, rather than he wants even more power.

Either way, all we know for certain is that Balthazar’s goal is vendetta against an unknown individual or group of individuals, not necessarily something that will result in world devastation, unlike Braham’s goal.

Rather than saying both are nuclear bomb issues, it’s more accurate to say one is an unknown threat while the other is a clear threat.

I mean, the entire reason why we were hostile to Balthazar in the first place (aside from poor writing) was that Balthazar was pretending to be Lazarus, a highly hated and mistrusted individual. After that, we only fought against Balthazar because he took the machine and we found out that if he used the machine the world would go “blegh” as Taimi says.

Also, a lot of folks are saying that the norn issue is “delayed by constant partying” but that’s false. In Episode 4, we were told that Braham and Rox took an expeditionary team up north to “see what damage they can do” and were calling themselves Destiny’s Edge. The threat has been there for two releases now. Just because the norn race are partying doesn’t mean Braham is just standing around twiddling his thumbs.

Palador.2170:

We have plenty of reasons to go there, though.

There’s the link to the gods, as you mention.

There’s Logan taking over the Pact, which means he may want to take a look at current operations in Orr. Given our close ties to him, and having been a big part of taking Orr ourselves, it makes sense that he’d want us with him.

Orr is also where we killed our first dragon, but we weren’t thinking about the consequences at the time. There’s likely to be a lot of unbound magic left behind, and Taimi may want to examine the site to see if she can get any new data on how dragons are absorbing and passing on magic to each other.

Finally, we need to see if any of the events after Zhaitan’s death have affected the Risen there. If they have, then that means that the dragons that gained Zhaitan’s death powers may be able to influence them. Which would mean that those that gained Mordremoth’s powers may be able to influence Sylvari. That’s really important to know.

I’m sure we’ll go other places as well, but we have good reason to head for Orr.

About Logan. Logan is the marshall now so his duty is just seat in Lion’s Arch and give the orders. We helped him (‘help’ is too strong word) in Lake Doric and we did the dirty work for him. We have more interesting things to do than visiting Orr for what? Orr is just the graveyard of our soldiers and risen and there are also pact soldiers who are watching at these land.
This place was just cleansed of Risen (the most land was cleansed) and the picture we got shows Orr as a green jungle. A parrot in Orr?? Is it Maguuma? And all is green in that picture and buildings are surprisingly well looking.

There is also something missing- the butterflies- at least few of them. Instead of a parrot there should be some butterflies.

I suspect the picture doesn’t show the present Orr.
I think it is not even a pre expansion map.

I think it shows the theme of the next Fractal- the fractal who will take us to Orr before the Cataclysm.
Did you see a short teaser of the new fractal? It looks similar to the Omadd’s Machine cinematic. I think it shows some kind of travelling to the ancient times. Why do I think it shows Arah/Orr fractal? Because of the picture where we can see green Orr.

We don’t know how the ancient Orr looked. Perhaps this is why we see the Canthan boat. I doubt Canthan ppl (if they are still living) would go to the place not totally being cleaned.

This parrot doesn’t fit to the current still rotten Orr.

We will see in a few days.
But if they are going to release Orr Fractal I am coming back to the game. xD

One thing to add- if we want to know better the gods the best way to do this is:
1) travel to times when they were still living in Tyria,
or
2) Return to the times after the Exodus.

Arden.7480:

One thing to add- if we want to know better the gods the best way to do this is:
1) travel to times when they were still living in Tyria,
or
2) Return to the times after the Exodus.

1 wont work. When balthazar was still in full glory you literally couldnt be in his presence. The fact that we can see and talk to him like this in gw2 is proof he’s either fake or powerless. There was one man who could see them for a bit, so he modelled statues of them, before going blind after after he met dwayna. As a result, he was never satisfied with his work because dwaynas beauty was simply imcapturable. It eventually drove him to madness and suicide.

So if we ‘somehow’ go back in time to interact with them, our minds may not stably return

Well we didn’t have any problem to see Kormir in Nighfall.
Or in the legend of Lyssa nothing happened to the people of Wren. She lived there and no harm came to them because of her presence.

Arden.7480:

Well we didn’t have any problem to see Kormir in Nighfall.
Or in the legend of Lyssa nothing happened to the people of Wren. She lived there and no harm came to them because of her presence.

True, there are some deviations.
One could argue that kormir isnt a native god, and Lyssa is a conjoined two sub-gods

And besides we fought Abaddon. He was the weakened God but still the God really powerful.
But it’s something different.

I think that if a god wishes to see somebody he will not do anything bad.
Malchor was full of love to somebody who is beyond his imagination. Parhaps this is why Dwayna punished him and blinded- all gods punished him.

I wonder where Kormir went after her Ascension. Did she join to the other Gods. Well this question appeared out of nowhere xD

Malchor wasn’t unique in being able to look at a god for a short period of time without going blind. He rested his eyes between and during each sculpting but could not resist looking away from Dwayna whom he fell in love with. He didn’t hate his sculpture because he went blind while sculpting but because he felt he could never capture the beauty he saw – he had memorized her appearance so well he sculpted statues of Dwayna long after going blind.

As for Kormir and Abaddon: There are three things to consider: 1) we didn’t look upon any of them for long; 2) the gods blessed the PCs before we fought Abaddon, immunity to blindness is probably among the blessing’s power; 3) the whole “going blind upon looking at a god” wasn’t part of lore then, so it’s rather a bit of an inconsistency.

As for Lyssa (and Dwayna) who both appear before humans under a guise, it’s probable that under an illusion like they lived the blinding aspect could be hampered to non-lethality. The entire point of hiring Malchor was so that humans could know what the gods actually looked like, so outside of then they likely were always under an illusion that dimmed their light, so to speak.

As far as the Balthazar plotline goes, the Pact Commander states the following in the “Heart of the Volcano” story instance: “I’ll try to find out what happened to our divine friend. With any luck he’s been scattered to the Mists.”

The PC also refers to Taimi’s discovery about the Elder Dragons and killing one potentially leading to the destruction of the world: “Confirm that theory as soon as you can. I’m sure we’ll have a lot of convincing to do when word of this gets out.” As if that wasn’t enough, in an optional dialogue the PC keeps urging Taimi to triple-check the theory just in case to further emphasize the importance of this bit.

Balthazar was only a threat due to not caring what happens to Tyria as long as he gets that juicy magic boost from the Elder Dragons. Now that he’s got what he was after and vanished into the Mists, his threat should’ve ended. If this is the case, however, what will prompt the PC to spend precious time traveling all the way to Orr to learn more about the gods especially when the PC (currently) has more pressing matters of dealing with Braham and trying to convince the rest of the world that killing the Elder Dragons is now a bad thing for Tyria?

Perhaps it will all tie into Rytlock’s tribunal if that scene in the Black Citadel ends up being the first story instance of Episode 6. Rytlock might finally be forced to spill the beans and explain his adventures in the Mists which may have some tie-ins with whatever the gods are up to, giving Rytlock a reason to remain tight-lipped for so long. Depending on the nature of information he divulges, it might prompt us to hurry to Orr, perhaps culminating in a final story instance within Arah itself.

Regarding Braham, the timeline seems a bit wonky to me after checking both Episode 4 and 5.

In episode 4 we’re told: “[Braham] formed an… exploratory committee, let’s say. They’re making their way up to Jormag as we speak, to see what kind of damage they can do before mobilizing a larger force.”

In episode 5, however, we’re told: “I’ve tried to get in touch with him, but he’s avoiding me. Rox told me he broke one of Jormag’s teeth, and the norn in Hoelbrak have been celebrating ever since. They won’t give him any peace. […] In light of what I discovered, considering how…wrong I was, going after Jormag isn’t a good idea. I haven’t told him that yet. It’s going to be hard to be heard through the norn cheers.”

The way these sentences are structured and the verb tenses they use, to me Ep4 stated Braham and “Destiny’s Edge” were already on their way north (“making their way up to Jormag as we speak”) whereas in Ep5 it appears that Braham was still being celebrated in Hoelbrak. Why would the norn be pestering him if he was already far up north with his group, away from civilization? Unless I’m misinterpreting the sentence structures and what they imply, this seems like a discrepancy in the timeline unless Taimi’s statement in Ep4 was meant to be a suggestion for a future course of action instead of stating it as a fact in the present time.

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As for the White Mantle plot, it’s still lingering on, actually. Whether it’ll be referenced in Episode 6 or expansion 2 remains to be seen, though.

It was revealed in the letters of Eps 1 and 4 (and the gossip of the ladies-in-waiting) that there are White Mantle spies within various orders: at least two spies in the Priory (who had Seer artifacts and tomes delivered to Bloodstone Fen; the former action implies that at least one spy had a high enough rank to gain access to the artifacts, which might imply Chef Robertus and Historian Tranton being said spies), “No Names” in the Order of Whispers (who kept tabs on Demmi and the elder Lady Wi and led several Order operatives to their deaths), and possibly one spy in the Shining Blade (depending on if the lady-in-waiting referred to the Shining Blade or one of the orders in her sentence: “But did you know—and you didn’t hear this from me—that Anise thinks there might even be a spy within their ranks?”). It’s interesting that the writers brought attention to this fact not only in letters but also by an NPC in a story instance, so I imagine this plot will go somewhere; why else go to the effort of referring to the spy stuff?

The real Lazarus’s fate was also left uncertain and even drawn attention to given Marjory’s ominous wording (“It seems, at long last, that the White Mantle are done. Unless the real Lazarus is still out there.”). It’s possible that Xera may have succeeded in the ritual with Lazarus (assuming the being powered up in Stronghold of the Faithful was the real deal and not Balthazar) as Lazarus didn’t need his aspects to operate in GW1. Even if he was so severely weakened by what had been done to him in GW1 that, unlike before, he did need untainted aspects and even Bloodstone shards to recover enough, Xera still would’ve had at least 4/5 of the aspects (possibly even all five depending on if the scheming Justiciar Bauer was lying about switching the aspects to Caudecus) to work with.

Either way, Lazarus could very well return at some point whether as a surprise reveal in Episode 6 to further pave way for the expansion (I’d be sad to see him show up and be killed immediately within the same episode but I doubt such a rushed outcome would happen for narrative reasons after all the buildup). Depending on how into revenge he still is and how complex his plans are, the surviving White Mantle spies might play a part, especially if the writers decided to tie the Krytan locket, Shadowstone and Aurene subplots into it. If Lazarus learns of the existence of Aurene, the daughter of Glint whose Flameseeker Prophecies and aiding of the heroes in part led to the mursaat’s downfall, and how integral Aurene is to the overarching plan known as Glint’s Legacy, he might very well try to sabotage that plan and try to kidnap/attack Aurene out of spite to have his long overdue revenge. Given how the ancient races used to share some knowledge and technology back in the day, Lazarus just might be able to bypass the Exalted defenses based on Forgotten knowledge to do what he needs to do, maybe prompting us to go after him to save her…although personally I hope Aurene won’t become a damsel in distress again as we’ve already seen enough of that with her as both an egg (S2 and HoT) and a hatchling (S3).

Justiciar Bauer’s fate was also left ambiguous in Ep1 letters. While it’s possible (and very likely) that he perished along with the rest, if he did know somehow what was coming (he was at least scheming with the “supreme leader” behind Caudecus and several White Mantle’s backs and got rid of both Kasandra and Valis), he might’ve managed to get far enough from the ritual site to not end up in the explosion’s radius. It would be cool to see him return as the right-hand man of Lazarus and reveal his grand deception of playing both Caudecus and Xera like a fiddle for his own ambitions.

Braham – not sure why people make this a big deal out of him. It’s not like he was the epitome of powerful or more than a decent sidekick so far (besides the latest tempertantrum). Also I would love to see how the Norn alone take down a, given currently sleeping, elder dragon and all his minions when for the past 2 it required the cooperation of all the races of Tyria. Remeber, icy dragon now hold the power of 2 elder dragons on top of his own too.

Orr makes perfect sense as final destination. The current biggest danger to Tyria comes from the reapeared gods themselve (both in direct danger and indirect danger in form of deterioration of racial relations between humans and the other 4). We have had obvious and less obvious hints about the humans difficulty to cope with the return of Balthasar. The obvious one being Kasmeer, the less obvious ones the npc dialoges in Draconis Mon.

If I’d have to make an estimate on how the last season finale plays out:
- we go to Orr to find out more about the human gods
- we find out “stuff” about the human gods
- more “stuff” happens concerning the human gods which requires us to take action similar to what people did 250 years ago thus retracing some steps which were part of the Prophecies campaign.

I’m not even sure the elder dragons will play that big a role in the next expansion.

Well I feel so weird everybody says we are going to Orr in ep 6.

If the picture we got would show some butterflies I’d not have any doubts we are going to Orr in the Finale, but it looks like the jungle… and this parrot.

On the boat there’s standing a man with a staff. Who’s he?

I think my theory it’s not the current Orr and this is the picture who shows the Fractal has 20/30% to be true.

You are most likely right but maybe am I?

We will see in a few days. Until then have fun speculating

Arden.7480:

Well I feel so weird everybody says we are going to Orr in ep 6.

If the picture we got would show some butterflies I’d not have any doubts we are going to Orr in the Finale, but it looks like the jungle… and this parrot.

On the boat there’s standing a man with a staff. Who’s he?

I think my theory it’s not the current Orr and this is the picture who shows the Fractal has 20/30% to be true.

You are most likely right but maybe am I?

We will see in a few days. Until then have fun speculating

Kinda confused about the butterflies. Aren’t butterflies pretty much everywhere? Why would the presence of butterflies be a specific reference to Orr?

As for the jungle, it’s my understanding that Orr was a pretty tropical place in its day. If nothing else, the native gorillas would indicate this. It’s only not verdant and pretty at this moment because the maps we get are locked in a time where it’s just risen from the sea and being zombified by a dragon.

Also, that arch is distinctly Orrian. The boat, as I’ve said on a couple of threads, is an incredibly generic design and could be from pretty much anywhere, but I don’t think anything closely resembling those arches has been seen anywhere except Orr. So that’s where most of the speculation comes from.

Although, I think the “fractal” idea is a pretty plausible one too.

Because Caladbolg did set many yellow/blue butterflies free.

We can see them in the Artesian Waters (Source of Orr) and in the Cathedral of Melandru in Cursed Shore. So I thought the magic of Caladbolg would spread out everywhere in Orr.
This is why I think it’s not current Orr on the picture because if it would be the current Orr then we should see the magic of Caladbolg- the weapon who sets free the butterflies and if the waters of Orr are influenced by Caladbolg then we should see its influence everywhere- even at the reaches of Orr.

I am beyond happy with us returning to Orr, ever since we cleansed it, and defeated Zhaitan, it’s been a major want/need of mine to get back there. And while I know they couldn’t change the map due to new players not knowing what’s going on, I always wished that we would see a revitalized Orr free of corruption.

You see, if we do return to Orr it could be to move into the Crystal Desert from the west. My theory is we will eventually secure the area just south of Ebonhawke as well, opening a northern entrance. Ultimately I can see us clashing with both Kralkatorrik and Palawa Joko’s forces, the question is will they clash with each other?

Trailer is out and we are going to Orr!

We are going to Orr but still no reason. But Anise in the trailer says that they are going to make an uncommon allies.
Does she mean the ppl of Cantha?!

And this voice in the end sounds Kormirish.

Well Orr has a volcano now or what? XD

Haha so much for “no reason to return to Orr”. In the words of the Risen, “Return to Orrrrrrr…..!”

So the map will be east of Arah.
It’s said that ‘one stayed behind’ but it doesn’t mean we won’t see the Gods return especially after hearing that someone says ‘save Tyria’ in the end. So it’s very likely it was said by another God- female god- Melandru Dwayna or Kormir.

I think we are going to kill Balthazar. This lava in Orr must be created by him.
But then who would consume his magic? We? Maybe… Or again Kormir xD

We will see. I was wrong but well lets see what is the theme of a new fractal.