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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

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Community that didn’t finish the personal story: “Trahearne: I did everything”

Community that finished the personal story: “Trahearne: Good luck toots”

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Posted by: Crash.5362

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Still hoping Mordremoth kills him.
He’s the wors character by far…

Terrible voice-acting, boring and dull
No personality what-so-ever
Predictable lines (You can guess what kind of reaction and message he’ll give before he does)
Steals all the credit and completely destroys the concept of “Your Storyline” from the moment he appears in the game.

I dont get it how they managed to make characters that we’ve been so little with so remrkable and great (Such as the mentors) And they cant manage to make one that we spent an entire half of the plot with be anything but terribad.

They should just make him get corrupted or something ala Scarlet or the sabouteur, so that we can have a cool boss battle against him.
Would be fun, we’d be fighting a “legendry” figure, and we’d finally have a spot open for someone else to take the “Protagonist” role in the game. WEll, since it cant be ourselves, at least make it be someone interesting.

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Posted by: OmaiGodman.2098

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When exactly does Trahearne steal the player’s credit? Everybody keeps shouting that but nobody could ever show me any dialogue that has Trahearne saying “I defeated Zhaitan”.

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Posted by: Tanith.5264

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My concern is that this will be his address to the summit:

“This will not end well.”

At that point (after all the trouble I went through to convince the leaders to come), I’ll probably kill him myself.

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Posted by: ArcTheFallen.7682

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Posted by: Gaebriel.3754

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Actually I hope that they continue their improvement in storywriting from this season and redeem Trehearne somewhat, making him more believable.

I mean I disliked him as much as everyone else, but mainly because he seemed absolutely miscast in a leader role. Especially when he is giving his speeches, he just doesn’t sound like an inspirational leader that rallies the Pact into battle against an terrifying enemy. It would have been so much better if he retained his scholar role instead of being everything at once. I don’t think his voice acting and dialogue lines are horrible (well some are, but definitely not all), it’s just not the voice of one in command.

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Posted by: Sorann Peace.9056

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Trahearne does somewhat take credit for killing a major enemy in the Forging the Pact mission, but that mission felt more like an oversight between gameplay mechanics and storytelling rather than it being an intentional “he stole my credit” thing. But as for the rest of the story, especially after killing Zhaitan? Nowhere does Trahearne take your credit.

Let’s be real here, he explicitly says “I wish I could’ve been there when you killed Zhaitan, <player character>!” Does that not imply him not taking the credit? If that can count as stealing the player’s credit, then pretty much anything can, in which case…

/facedesk

There’s no end to the leaps and bounds the human species will go to justify an incorrect position… Though I like what that poster above linked about crowd psychology! Explains a lot of things.

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Posted by: Mafetix.9857

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Posted by: DoctorOverlord.8620

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I think one of the major problems was the wayTrahearne is introduced. Shortly after we lose a very likeable supporting character (Tybalt or Forgal, I haven’t tried the third storyline yet), Trahearne is thrown on us as their replacement. That already stacks the deck against him.

Then everyone in the world seems to already know about Trahearne. He’s the super expert sylvari who has spent years studying Orr, he’s the one who knows more about Orr than anyone in the world. After all our characters have already done, they come off as ignorant yokels who have never heard of this amazing sylvari because the writers never told us about him.

And suddenly Mr. Expert is ordering our character around. We have no investment in Trahearne, we are given no reason to find him likeable yet our characters go off risking themselves based on what he says should be done.

Even worse, we’re shown a mystical vision from the Mother Tree Goddess of the sylvari to make sure we know just how special and great Trahearne really is.

There were so many ways that could have made Trahearne more likeable or even interesting. What if Trahearne tried to run away from his destiny and our character had to drag him back and make him realize he had to do it? Instead, Trahearne just steps up to the role without needing any help from our character.

At the very least we could have been introduced to Trahearne much earlier in our PS. Heck, our characters could have been the one to introduce him to the other Order leaders and been the ones to convince them he was such an expert, rather than them already knowing about him. That way our characters would have been responsible for putting him in his position of power.

Remove our character and the Pale Tree’s vision would still happen. Players sense that Trahearne doesn’t need our character and I think that’s what ticks them off the most.

Destiny’s Edge came off as needing our character more to patch things up with them, and the new cast of NPCs certainly seem to need our character more. Rox and Braham were rookies when we first meet them, and Marjory and Kasmeer come across more like associates rather than our superiors.

Trahearne bosses our characters around, we’re not given any real character development or history for him apart from the fact he is Mr. Expert, and in the end, he doesn’t need our characters. Thrown that on top him being a replacement for a well-loved character like Tybalt Leftpaw, and I don’t think players are going to be happy until they see him killed off in some appropriately dramatic fashion.

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Posted by: Darkorical.9213

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Trahearne gets curious and is certain he can glean more info from Omadds device than the player and in a fit of arrogance enters the machine and goes just as nut-so as Scarlet resulting in us having to kill him then cover up his faults a-la 2 face in the batman movie.

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Posted by: Kohlteth.3715

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“Moving on” :-)

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Posted by: Ceallach.8740

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I genuinely liked that introverted, depressed, anxiety-ridden twig.

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

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I like Trahearne, though. Happy to see him back in, hope hey improve the story-telling.

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Posted by: Bathos.6341

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Only poroblem I had was that final personal story mission was about the only time trahearne ever did anything useful :P Most of the rest of the campagn his solution to EVERYTHING is to throw me at the enemy.

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Posted by: Barabbas.8715

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Trahearne is my favorite character in the game just because of all the “WAAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAA!” that goes on here on the forums about him.

And suddenly Mr. Expert is ordering our character around.

Total BS. Trahearne lets your character make all the major decisions concerning the Pact and how they operate. He was just the “face” of the Pact while your character was the Commander.

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Posted by: RoChan.1926

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-best explanation so far.

Adding to what you’ve already said, the main problem overall was that the personal story at that point didn’t care about your character at all. Once you were done with the order of your choice your character progression officially ended. I think most players would have been able to get over his abrupt introduction if they had felt at all somewhat important to the story.

See when most people say “Trahearne stole the credit” what they really mean to say is “they felt unimportant to the story.” Barely anyone was asking to be the leader of all of Tyria but that they feel important to the overarching story. No where in the story did it ever feel like we were the puppet master deciding to make Trahearne the leader. No where did our actions matter into opening that path for him. As you said, everything in the story pointed it as his manifest destiny regardless of our interactions or not. So even if our character did absolutely nothing, this was Trahearne’s great destiny, a role he was born into that would come to pass! Even though the game tried to make it seem like our choices mattered, it didn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. This was happening whether we chose to detonate a bone ship or steal an orb from the Krait. His positron of leader was never really contested, no where was he in any danger of losing the chance to that. It was an absolute outcome that made itself very clear. That makes a personal story not personal anymore if anyone (or no one at all) could have fulfilled our role.

Being the behind the scenes character isn’t outside of people’s expectations but if you’re going to make us that then bloody make the story flows that way! A personal story is meant to make you feel important even if you don’t get to wear the crown at the end.

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Posted by: RoChan.1926

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Trahearne is my favorite character in the game just because of all the “WAAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAA!” that goes on here on the forums about him.

And suddenly Mr. Expert is ordering our character around.

Total BS. Trahearne lets your character make all the major decisions concerning the Pact and how they operate. He was just the “face” of the Pact while your character was the Commander.

Did those choices really matter or are you making yourself believe that based on the fact that you have a distaste of the popular opinion? Did choosing to attack the mouth or eye change the way Trahearne was viewed? Did it change the populaces’ opinion of your commanding skills? Was Trahearne ever put into a position where he had to side with your decision even if it sounded bad?

That’s where the crux of the matter is. You, your character, had no impact on the story at all. Perhaps it looked like it did, saving Tyria is important after all, but when what is supposed to be about your character’s adventures shifts to what kind of lap dog you are and how many fetch quests can you do it falls pretty short of the term ‘personal.’

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

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Funny – I’m looking forward to seeing him again.

One of those characters you just find so boring, dull and wooden (excuse the pun), but miss them if they’re gone.

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Posted by: WyldKat.4712

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The personal story had a predetermined ending. It was like driving from Bradenton to Tampa. Sure I can go up 19, or 301, or I-75, but those 3 roads more or less run parallel to each other up within 10 miles of the coast. If I was adventurous, I could have taken the Skyway instead through St Pete and still gotten up there.

We were Trahearne’s right hand man. Woman. Plant. Charr. Whatever. For the story. He was the planner, we were the doer.

The story was an interesting ride. There had to be some railroading, because it was a personal story for every single person playing the game. So yeah, our role could be recast. I’m going through the whole thing for the 8th time now, picking choices according to the character I’m on.

If anything, I’m glad there’s some choice in the playthroughs. It doesn’t feel nearly as going down a checklist top to bottom as it could have been.

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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One issue I have with the “Why didn’t we ever hear about Trahearne before!?!?!”

Why would we? At WHAT POINT in the personal story before that section would mentioning Trahearne make sense for non-sylvari players? All three order missions don’t involve Risen. The sympathy missions, only one involves Risen(Hylek, IIRC).

So, when could he be mentioned or appear in a way that is relevant to the story, makes sense, and tells us about his knowledge of Orr/risen?

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Posted by: Duke Darkwood.4237

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When exactly does Trahearne steal the player’s credit? Everybody keeps shouting that but nobody could ever show me any dialogue that has Trahearne saying “I defeated Zhaitan”.

He never did. Heck, he even knows that he’s only the Marshal because WE put him there. We couldn’t name ourselves, because that’d give an order bias – so we put his name in the hat. And he makes us his second on the spot, because, as he explicitly says, he’s no general. (Also, it would have been prohibitively expensive for Anet to have all ten player voice actors do the leadership speeches. We NEEDED a spokesman, and no matter who it is, Trehearne or not, people would complain anyway.)

Also, it really IS just a partnership, in the end. We both have important jobs to do in Orr – he has to cleanse the land, and we have to kill a dragon. Two distinct, yet connected, goals. Working together is the natural thing to do.

And, when we bring him to the Source of Orr, and he does his ritual? Yeah, that’s him finishing his job, then handing us the keys to the army. He’s gotta stay and make sure the ritual takes for real, once we succeed, anyway.

The Player killed Zhaitan. Destiny’s Edge helped. And the Pact forces helped keep the riff-raff out of our way. And when we return, triumphantly, to Fort Trinity? Yes, Trahearne is there – to give us a hero’s welcome. Trahearne, and all the Pact soldiers, salute or cheer or bow at us, throughout that final instance.

People look at Trehearne and go “must be Kormir’s Second Coming” the moment we name him Marshal. Those people don’t actually pay attention to the role he actually takes.

One issue I have with the “Why didn’t we ever hear about Trahearne before!?!?!”

Why would we? At WHAT POINT in the personal story before that section would mentioning Trahearne make sense for non-sylvari players? All three order missions don’t involve Risen. The sympathy missions, only one involves Risen(Hylek, IIRC).

So, when could he be mentioned or appear in a way that is relevant to the story, makes sense, and tells us about his knowledge of Orr/risen?

As true as this is, the main issue is that non-Sylvari get this guy out of nowhere, who somehow has clout with all three Orders. I know they couldn’t really introduce him earlier, but once they did, they could have established his connections a little better.

Also, back to the topic at hand, I have something to add, aside from replying to existing posts:

While I can understand bringing Trehearne to the summit – as Pact Marshal, he IS a man of political clout – I do not think he should be involved in the assault. He should go back to Orr and his ongoing efforts to make it livable. When Guild Wars 3 comes around, and we visit Orr, I want to see a plaque commemorating Trehearne, kittentored the land, and the GW2 Player Character (a.k.a. Pact Commander), who defeated Zhaitan and made restoring the land possible.

We BOTH played important roles, and while his is the longer and more boring job of the two by far, he does deserve credit for it. (Just not for OUR job.)

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Posted by: Stormy Dragon.9210

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I liked Trahearne and I liked Scarlett. I think both are interesting characters that somehow ended up becoming scapegoats for issues people were having with gameplay and story structure decisions they didn’t like.

Yeah, there was a lot of problems with the personal story. But none of them would have been fixed by removing Trahearne and sticking some other character in.

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Posted by: Anmida.4058

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Oh for heaven’s sake. I am starting to think these threads just pop up because you people are weekend-bored, see a thread that got a lot of replies and go “Maybe if I do the same thing I get to pass the time.”