Guild Wars 2

Questions, questions….. .

Alright, so what EXACTLY happened? What we saw? A world in motion with Elder Dragons as part of “Balance”..? We are “pulled” by Pale Tree into further vision of Tyria and Dragons surrounding it. So is the Pale Tree a key to understanding this mystery? Are Dragons needed for “Balance” to be preserved? If they do, does it mean we somehow fragiled it by killing Zhaitan? OR he’s not dead after all…. .

Sylaves.8132:

Questions, questions….. .

Are Dragons needed for “Balance” to be preserved?

This is more or less that Pale Tree already tells you if you talk to her now. There’s no new dialogue since this new patch, but I’d guess there will be talks with her in the next story part.

I figure we’re going to find out this is a cycle of magic. If there’s too much magic, Tyria cannot handle it. Thus the Elder Dragons devour the magic and wipe the amazing magical power the people possess, before the magic starts slowly seeping out of them as they go to sleep, eventually refilling the land as newer species come up.

tl;dr version: They’re Reapers.

What is killing me personally is the inaccuracy! Why in the cinematic Mordremoth awakened (lighted up) sooner than Zhaitan???? If those planets were swaped it would be nice and logical!!! Now I am only confused why did anet done this.. Is it inaccuracy or some deeper meaning? And another thing: planet which represented Zhaitan was not shown that it entered middle orb and was destroyed afterwards (or put back to sleep).

RyuDragnier.9476:

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They’re Reapers.

THIS ! No wonder we got femShep as Sylvari femPC ;D

Mortifer.2946:

Why in the cinematic Mordremoth awakened (lighted up) sooner than Zhaitan????

This confused me too. I don’t think the order the orbs light up represent the order the dragons awoke (though it would make more sense if it did).

The orbs light up in the following order:
Red (Primordus) > Blue (Bubbles) > White (Jormag) >Green (Mordremoth) >Purple (Kralkatorrik) > Grey/Green (Zhaitan)

It’s the green (Mordremoth) orb that flies into the center.

The dragons, however, awoke in the following order:

Primordus (then back to sleep) > Jormag > Zhaitan > Bubbles? > Kralkatorrik >Mordremoth

The only way to reconcile the difference is if Bubbles awoke earlier than we thought (possible, since we don’t actually know, and are guessing based on when the Krait/Quaggan refugees rocked up in Tyria), and if the orb that flew into the center is actually Zhaitan, with Mordy still floating round the edge as the grey/green orb. Unlikely, I reckon)

I think that what we saw is just a Sylvari’s version of the Eternal Alchemy, they’d naturally see the Pale Tree as the center of the world, with all other magical events playing out around it. Everything is connected together, but Scarlet’s frame of reference was herself (aka the Pale Tree). I think what we saw wasn’t the Eternal Alchemy from our own point of reference, but rather a record of what she saw played back to us (possibly as a result of hijacking the machine mid-playback).

It’d make sense since we’re backtracking through Scarlet’s journey in the LS. We even hear the Pale Tree and Scarlet’s voices in the background.

So everything in the cut-scene is seen through her eyes, essentially. I’d be curious what the Eternal Alchemy looks like to a Charr.

That would make more sense.

We were in the Maguuma Jungle…

Obviously we would run into the Pale Tree(who lives in the Maguuma Jungle) and be able to access her inner workings/mind.

If we entered from Ascalon we would most likely run into Adelbern and get influenced by Foefire….

Well, hero character says it alone that he saw Mordremoth, so it was him…
And we really don’t know when Bubbles woke up, so the order would be just fine, if there weren’t for Mordre/Zhaity mix up. But nevermind. It was beautiful and I didn’t expect it at all. Anet won my heart back. And I was just about to buy Elite: Dangerous, lol.

Why do we have to fight 1 elder dragon at a time? Can they both show up or fight each other ?

I dont think we saw it through Scarlet’s eyes. It is the same vision for all races, it’s just really what the eternal alchemy is. The order the orbs were light doesn’t matter at all, more important is that all light up and danced around the tree until the green orb goes in to"corrupt" the tree. Is the green orb the only one that can corrupt the tree? What’s its motive to do so?That’s far more interesting.
Also in the first three parts of GW1 there wasn’t a Pale Tree, there were also no Elder Dragon. There is definitely a very deep connection with all of this.
When you talk to the Pale Tree as a Sylvari, she says:
“Just as the forest fire uses its destructive force to make way for new growth, so the Elder Dragons raze Tyria.” It sounds like it is just a natural process, now the question is, what if the Elder Dragons are stopped? Will worse appear? Sorry about the rambling

Sylaves.8132:

fragiled it by killing Zhaitan? OR he’s not dead after all…. .

See this is where I think he (Zhaitan) is “not dead” but we’re not going to see him again. Unless if it’s Guild Wars 3-4-5 or 6. It seems like there is a balance. So far it seems like the devs will not be exploring future fights with Zhaitan, not at this given time but I am inclined to believe that the EDs act as necessary forces of destruction to basically reach a new epoch every cycle.

We know that dragons do not devour magic, they collect it through consumption and then while hibernating during their sleep it is expelled. It sounds like they’re a restart button, they all act in tandem but they don’t necessarily have an allegiance to one another – it’s more of lions, tigers, and bears sort of deal. Each one has a territory, each territory in some way follows the next in reshaping the lands.

I’m just curious about the significance in Mord reaching the center. I wonder why. When I start wondering I get crazy ideas of either the Pale Trees having a hive mind where at the center is some other unknown dragon being that of the Eternal Alchemy. Or that Mord really is the most dangerous of them all… being that he’s like Gaia which makes me hope that the fight isn’t too anticlimactic during the finale. It’s really hard to say, I’m stumped.

Personally, I just can’t wait to see the Sylvari take a back seat once Mord is out of the way.

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

We were in the Maguuma Jungle…

Obviously we would run into the Pale Tree(who lives in the Maguuma Jungle) and be able to access her inner workings/mind.

If we entered from Ascalon we would most likely run into Adelbern and get influenced by Foefire….

The Pale Tree is not in the Maguuma Jungle. It’s in the Tarnished Coast.

ninja sloth.2658:

I think that what we saw is just a Sylvari’s version of the Eternal Alchemy, they’d naturally see the Pale Tree as the center of the world, with all other magical events playing out around it. Everything is connected together, but Scarlet’s frame of reference was herself (aka the Pale Tree). I think what we saw wasn’t the Eternal Alchemy from our own point of reference, but rather a record of what she saw played back to us (possibly as a result of hijacking the machine mid-playback).

It’d make sense since we’re backtracking through Scarlet’s journey in the LS. We even hear the Pale Tree and Scarlet’s voices in the background.

So everything in the cut-scene is seen through her eyes, essentially. I’d be curious what the Eternal Alchemy looks like to a Charr.

You know, that’s actually an interesting thought and interpretation. Omadd wasn’t an exception of the Asura. He too was interested in the Sylvari as a test species more than a sentient species deserving right to exist. The original campaign didn’t do a very good job at telling the tale but when the Asura first saw the Sylvari, they were so curious that they wanted to dissect them so to speak – thinking they were nothing more than wild life. The Asura way.

So the idea that the machine was designed specifically with Sylvari biology in mind, is an interesting theory.