Guild Wars 2

I get that big funerals are a thing in Norn culture, so having an instance where we celebrate Eir’s life and mourn her passing makes sense and is a good setting for starting the new season. But what about those of us who still need closure for the death more central to HoT’s overall plot. The death that Anet seems to have just dropped off the map with little more than a “well we just had you murder your brother/canonical bestfriend to save the world no need to wrap that up neatly” I get that i don’t know where the story is going to take us next but i do know that for a portion of the community this plot point seems unfinished and we would like closure. a small instance where we return to the pale tree, and talk to her about the death of her oldest child and our hand in it. maybe its something in the real world where the voice actress for the Pale Tree is unavailable. but please Anet anything is better than the nothing we have right now

“Your mother nearly died, you had to murder your older brother to save the world. Let’s have a funeral for someone totally different you barely even knew HYUK HYUK!!!!”

It’s simple:

• Trahearne is a champion of Mordremoth
• The Pale Tree is really Mordremoth and Mordremoth needed to go underground so he needed to “kill” himself
• The Pale Tree taught Trahearne a ritual needed to slay Zhaitan
• Mordremoth assassinated Zhaitan
• Caithe, another one of Mordremoth’s champions is suspiciously close to Aurene
• With Mordremoth’s “absence,” Primordus and Jormag are going to kick each other’s kitten
• With 3 elder dragons out of the way, Mordremoth will assume Aurene’s body
• Mordremoth will destroy the world

Fear the power of the jungle dragon!

The Sylvari will be free!

Hail Mordremoth!

Scarlet was right!

Mitha.7039:

“Your mother nearly died, you had to murder your older brother to save the world. Let’s have a funeral for someone totally different you barely even knew HYUK HYUK!!!!”

+1

I don’t think sylvari hold funerals at all.

We saw in the Caithe flashbacks in Season 2 that even when Rhiannoc died, someone all the Firstborn were very close to, they didn’t hold any kind of remembrance service, they just talked about how it affected them between themselves and there’s never been any mention of a sylvari funeral. They also don’t have graveyards or other physical memorials for their dead.

I think its a combination of their culture being quite young (the firstborn were only 25 at the start of the game) and the Dream giving them all shared experiences and memories. They don’t need to hold a service or create a memorial to remember their fallen because they all share those memories all the time anyway.

I suppose maybe the player character and some of the others could have held their own service. But even though I tend to think of funerals as for the people attending rather than the person who died it seems a bit disrespectful to essentially say “your culture doesn’t treat death in the right way, so we’re imposing ours on you to fix things”.

On a totally different note it does bother me that there’s been no change with the Avatar of the Pale Tree. The Tree herself seems to be fine, there’s no visible damage from the attack and she’s not wilting, not even any dead branches that we can see. But the Avatar is still lying on the floor barely moving. If she’s not longer able to keep up the projection for some reason I don’t understand why she doesn’t just get rid of it. I think she could still communicate with outsiders through the sylvari, or make a new form but even if not it would be no different to now and it’d save her the effort of maintaining a broken avatar.

maybe sylvari funeral was a weird term to use, but id still like to see us at least visit the pale tree to speak to her about trahearne’s death, i know she would already be aware of it but paying our respects/ visiting our mother depending on race, seems like the right thing to do

I, too, would like to see some remembrance of Tahearne. If not by the sylvari, then at least by the Pact.

I would also like to take both the Pale Tree and Caithe to task for not warning Trahearne of the danger before he loaded up the fleet with a bunch of potential turncoats and headed out to the jungle. Keeping the secret past the point where it was bound to come out anyway was a primary factor in the disaster. Trahearne should have been warned by the time he headed out to set up Camp Resolve. He should have had a chance to come up with some plan to mitigate the danger.

There is some precedent for ignoring any trauma to the PC over being forced to kill a friend, though. Rurik, anyone?

I never thought about it before but you’re absolutely right. The Pale Tree really should have warned Trahearne about what he was getting himself in for. Ideally as soon as he decided to go after Mordremoth.

Up until then they’d been thinking the complete opposite – when fighting Zhaitan the Pact often relied on the Pale Reavers and other sylvari for missions where there was a (higher than usual) danger of corruption because they knew sylvari couldn’t be corrupted by Zhaitan (or Jormag or Kralkatorrik). It wouldn’t surprise me if at least some people assumed they were immune to all dragon corruption.

Even if they only told Traherne and asked him to keep it secret from everyone else it would have enabled him to factor it into his plans. But I think it might have been even better to tell all the sylvari. We learned during the storyline that it was possible for them to resist the dragons influence, but they had to be aware it was happening (so they could tell Mordremoths influence apart from their own thoughts) and be prepared to fight it. If they had known what was going to happen in advance a lot more might have been able to do that.

And the rest of the Pact wouldn’t have felt so betrayed.

I think it’s because the pact commander actually feels guilty about Traehearne’s death – we didn’t exactly stop to look at our options. He said kill, so we killed him without looking for other options.

Regardless of what we think as players, Traehearne mattered a lot to the commander – enough to throw a roaring rampage of revenge into Mordremoths heart. The less reminders we have of him, and the busier we are, the less his loss hurts us.

In short, I chalk this up to grief on the commander’s part, since ultimately WE killed Traehearne.