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I don’t know if there’s another topic like that, I did not find it, sorry if it’s already exists.

I’ve just completed the Opening Ceremony and strange things happened. When the Aetherlames arrived, I thought this will be just another boring LS quest, then a mysterious sylvari woman appeared and Anise did a few strange, suspicious things.

First of all, I’d like to mention that (in my opinion) Scarlet got her name because of her hair or clothes. So I’ll follow that path during this topic.

I was surprised, what the heck the Aetherblade is doing here, I could not see the connection between Divnity’s Reach and pirates, then I realised.

Their leader is here. No. Not just in the Ceremony but (s)he lives in Divinity’s Reach. he is a city-dweller.

Okay. After that we realised that someone is controlling the new guards who is really close at the moment, we spotted a red-black cloaked sylvari woman. Scarlet? Personally, I don’t think so.

There is another woman who could be Scarlet, and she is noone else but Anise. Yes, Anise. Do you ask why?

She lives in Divinity’s Reach, and has the skills to stand up on the ‘arena of politics’, and her hair is red. She is a silver-tongued city-dweller. And ArenaNet told that we will recognise the Personal Nemesis when we meet her. I think we met her now.

But this is not enough to say, she is Scarlet, leader of the Aetherlames (or at least one of the leaders) and the Personal Nemesis. When the Aetherblades appeared, she mentioned that she already met them before.

Uhm, what? We have been fighting against them all the time in Lion’s Arch. I’m pretty sure we would have heard about a fight between the Shining Blade and the Aetherblades anywhere.

The other things is that Anise controlled the watchknights. Logan beated the robot so easily, then Anise casted a Rytlock-illusion on the watchknight. Why? I think because she wanted Logan to stay away from the upcoming event. She thought it will be harder, but in the end, she had to add a ‘more personal touch’. I think Anise is one of the strongest mesmers in Tyria, and I believe she controlled the watchknights with her illusion magic. If she is one of the strongest, how is it possible that one person simply “steals” the watchknights? (I think they were controlled by mesmer magic. Hard to say how that’s possible, but I did not see any control panel at her.)

But there are a few things that goes against my theory. For example, she has a role in the personal story. It could be strange to see her ‘good’ in the PS and ‘bad’ in the LS. But I really would like to see that happen.

What do you think?

(Sorry, my english is not the best, my wall-of-text might not be perfect)

Yes, plz, ANet.

You’ve awnsred your own question : She is present in PS. It would be a great failure of A-net change her personality, due to some player are in middle of the PS.

They will be alikely of : Defeating she at LS x Helping she at PS. I think that all NPC’s significative of LS had nothing relationed with PS.

But she is a good candidate, But I vote for another sylvari nemesis. I’m yet sure that all sylvaris are dragonborns, minions of Jungle dragon.

Just because a character is in the living story doesn’t mean they cant have an arc in personal story that doesn’t change their position in the game or their core character.

A stronger Mesmer could have come along and have Anise trapped so her identity can be assumed for the Jubilee. Maybe Anise was susceptible to this because it was a sort of Mesmer magic she is unfamiliar with (tada new Mesmer skills)

Gixx could fall under Jormag’s corruption, giving the dragon access to all of the alliance’s plans and knowledge of Tyria, past present and future. We find out we can reverse the corruption with the essence of an Eidolon, but one hasn’t been seen for 250 years (DUN DUN DUN)

Tegwen could be possessed by a spirit of a former priest of Abaddon, that was executed before the fall of Orr, who has no idea his God has been replaced and commences rituals to free him that instead release demons from the gates of Maddness. Players need to find an immortal, vaguely referred to in centuries old lore, that would know how to exercise the priest’s spirit from the Sylvari (needs more Razah)

As long as Anet restores them to where they were before the story arc, they can do just about anything with them in living story. It’s almost a waste not to.

zhorak.8254:

But this is not enough to say, she is Scarlet, leader of the Aetherlames (or at least one of the leaders) and the Personal Nemesis. When the Aetherblades appeared, she mentioned that she already met them before.

Uhm, what? We have been fighting against them all the time in Lion’s Arch. I’m pretty sure we would have heard about a fight between the Shining Blade and the Aetherblades anywhere.

To clarify this point, she says:

Lord Faren: Ah, I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but we’ve got party crashers. Trust me, I’ve seen this kind of thing before.
Countess Anise: Not like this, you haven’t. Those are the Aetherblade pirates that have been causing trouble in Lion’s Arch.

She isn’t saying she’s dealt with them, just that she knows about them. This isn’t a stretch of the imagination considering she’s the leader of the Shining Blade (and is essentially the Krytan spymaster) and quite honestly should know about them since they were involved in an assassination of one of the Captain’s Council. Logan knew about that, it’s hard to believe Anise didn’t know even more.

And besides, it’s not a good assumption that we would have heard about a fight between the Aetherblades and the Shining Blade. The Shining Blade perform several covert operations and spying, after all.

Of course, the story could be taking an even different turn with her being replaced somehow. We’ll have to see.

Vahkris.6847:

To clarify this point, she says:

Lord Faren: Ah, I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but we’ve got party crashers. Trust me, I’ve seen this kind of thing before.
Countess Anise: Not like this, you haven’t. Those are the Aetherblade pirates that have been causing trouble in Lion’s Arch.

I know, I checked it before I posted it here, but I remember that I saw she says she met them once. But maybe you are right.

zhorak.8254:

Vahkris.6847:

To clarify this point, she says:

Lord Faren: Ah, I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but we’ve got party crashers. Trust me, I’ve seen this kind of thing before.
Countess Anise: Not like this, you haven’t. Those are the Aetherblade pirates that have been causing trouble in Lion’s Arch.

I know, I checked it before I posted it here, but I remember that I saw she says she met them once. But maybe you are right.

We have (most of, missing variations) the dialogue here: Opening Ceremony Attendee so let me know if something’s wrong, or if that statement is somewhere else perhaps?

No, it should be there, when the airship arrives, or after the pirates are defeated. I’m pretty sure, but maybe I don’t remember.

The Nemesis is the Queen, that orchestrated all this to keep all of us busy (half celebrating the jubilee, half trying to keep her alive), so that she can continue with her mischief and evil machinations!!! :O :O :O

zhorak.8254:

No, it should be there, when the airship arrives, or after the pirates are defeated. I’m pretty sure, but maybe I don’t remember.

The dialogue I gave was when the airship arrives, and later on you’ll find the conversation after the event is over where she fills you in on what the Aetherblades did in Dragon Bash.

Anise: Forgive my curtness, but I’m currently preoccupied with Her Majesty’s safety.
Player: You seem well-informed. What can you tell me about these thugs?
Anise: The Aetherblades were involved in the murder of a Ship’s Councilor in Lion’s Arch. They appear to have found their way here, better organized and funded than ever.
Player: Who could be backing them?
Anise: Unknown. Though I’ve seen a mysterious figure here today that has me concerned. Sneaking in a saboteur with advanced technical savvy is exactly what I’d do.

Doesn’t seem like she’s met them, unless I missed something. Maybe you read “I’ve seen” as “I’ve met”?

Maybe you are right. The bubbles came so fast, maybe I had no time to read it properly. But still, I think my theory is good.

Vahkris.6847:

zhorak.8254:

But this is not enough to say, she is Scarlet, leader of the Aetherlames (or at least one of the leaders) and the Personal Nemesis. When the Aetherblades appeared, she mentioned that she already met them before.

Uhm, what? We have been fighting against them all the time in Lion’s Arch. I’m pretty sure we would have heard about a fight between the Shining Blade and the Aetherblades anywhere.

To clarify this point, she says:

Lord Faren: Ah, I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but we’ve got party crashers. Trust me, I’ve seen this kind of thing before.
Countess Anise: Not like this, you haven’t. Those are the Aetherblade pirates that have been causing trouble in Lion’s Arch.

She isn’t saying she’s dealt with them, just that she knows about them. This isn’t a stretch of the imagination considering she’s the leader of the Shining Blade (and is essentially the Krytan spymaster) and quite honestly should know about them since they were involved in an assassination of one of the Captain’s Council. Logan knew about that, it’s hard to believe Anise didn’t know even more.

And besides, it’s not a good assumption that we would have heard about a fight between the Aetherblades and the Shining Blade. The Shining Blade perform several covert operations and spying, after all.

Of course, the story could be taking an even different turn with her being replaced somehow. We’ll have to see.

I learned for dishonored that spy masters cant be trusted.

Honestly though I think it’s Lord Faren. He’s present for most of the events, he does have a role in the human noble PS but it’s nothing earth shattering that I think would exclude him from that (He helps you in like 3 fights), he lives in the city, and he’s a noble and knows how to persuade people with words; as he’s probably been taught how to do that since birth.

As for characters from the PS cant have any role in the LS, I think that’s the wrong way to go. I think that it should be understood that this is a timeline, and these events happen after the fall of Zhaitan, even if the player isnt there yet; and after the aetherblade’s are defeated, this should all be released as a continuation of the PS and added to the story tab. Rewards or not, i’m one of those players that would still like to experience the story after it has passed if I may have missed it for some reason.

I was suspicious of Anise too. I didn’t expect her to be so cruel as to add Rytlock to the mix. But there’s also the fact she didn’t have to admit it… she could have stayed silent. Hmm.

Faren’s an odd one. It’d be great if he turned out to be much smarter than he seems. GW’s Scarlet Pimpernel!

What if the person is Cadecous. He doesn’t have a huge involvement in the personal story is for humans during the first like 5 levels of it. He isn’t seen in game at all except for the dungeon and in one area in DR (queen jennahs room).

Deified.7520:

What if the person is Cadecous. He doesn’t have a huge involvement in the personal story is for humans during the first like 5 levels of it. He isn’t seen in game at all except for the dungeon and in one area in DR (queen jennahs room).

It would make sense, if the Watchwork creations were based off Uzolan’s cribbing off Snaff’s work . . . it would explain why the asuran emissary was unsettled by the Watchwork guardian at the beginning of the Opening Ceremony.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Deified.7520:

What if the person is Cadecous. He doesn’t have a huge involvement in the personal story is for humans during the first like 5 levels of it. He isn’t seen in game at all except for the dungeon and in one area in DR (queen jennahs room).

It would make sense, if the Watchwork creations were based off Uzolan’s cribbing off Snaff’s work . . . it would explain why the asuran emissary was unsettled by the Watchwork guardian at the beginning of the Opening Ceremony.

Uzolan has already been making personal golems for awhile. Besides we learn in CM that uzolan is connected to the human separatists and not the aetherblades.

As for the asura, he probably assumed humans wern’t nearly as advanced to be creating golem-like things. He was probably taken by surprised.

Although clockwork is a sign of Uzolan’s handiwork. It could be possible that the watchnights and the aetherblades are unconnected, and the aetherblades just saw an opportunity when the watchknights started to “malfunction”.

Actually, having Anise be both the leader of the Shining Blade and the Aetherblades would be a cool twist.

Throughout the PS, she would be working toward protecting the Queen. If she lost her position through the removal of Queen Jenna, then she would also lose a large block of power for herself. I would bet that she wouldn’t want that, so as long as protecting the Queen and the Queen’s holdings are in her best interest, she would continue to do so, all the while commanding a horde of Aetherblades and gathering her supporters for an overthrow of the government (just speculation on my part; kind of a “what if” scenario.)

Nothing quite like political intrigue to make you wonder if a supposedly “good” character could have a dark side. It’s a standard mechanic of many movies and novels.

On a personal note… I wish I had her armor…it’s great!

could be Scepter of Orr corrupted 250 years old Livia tho

Scarlett is a seperatist that wears drapes as dresses and lives in an airship that she calls “Tara”. She use be be in love with Logan, but frankly, he doesn’t give a kitten.

Drakenvold.9761:

could be Scepter of Orr corrupted 250 years old Livia tho

Damm.. introduce Livia in gw2 would be AWESOME

MauricioCezar.2673:

Drakenvold.9761:

could be Scepter of Orr corrupted 250 years old Livia tho

Damm.. introduce Livia in gw2 would be AWESOME

Hmm… Could be Livia but she was never obviously corrupted by the Scepter of Orr.

She's in Sea of Sorrows so she was still around at the time of the book. It wouldn't be that suprising for her to have made it till now though it raises the question why she gave up her old job (High Exemplar, you know the job Anise has). That was only 70 years or so ago ingame.

That is a good Question,perhaps she went insane and started practicing forbideen magic in the city or her less than proper behaviour led to her being exiled or at least step down from the position she held,maybe she holds a grudge for not being properly thanked by her efforts to save Kryta and being exiled…it would however be awesome

Lutinz.6915:

MauricioCezar.2673:

Drakenvold.9761:

could be Scepter of Orr corrupted 250 years old Livia tho

Damm.. introduce Livia in gw2 would be AWESOME

Hmm… Could be Livia but she was never obviously corrupted by the Scepter of Orr.

She's in Sea of Sorrows so she was still around at the time of the book. It wouldn't be that suprising for her to have made it till now though it raises the question why she gave up her old job (High Exemplar, you know the job Anise has). That was only 70 years or so ago ingame.

One thing to keep in mind in regards to corruption is that The Lich in GW1 was able to mask his appearance.

Personally, I was it was Livia even though it likely is not. Maybe corrupted, maybe simply misguided…………but then that’s partially because Livia is one of my GW1 favorites.

The importan fact here is that Anet stated that it will be your personal Nemesis, which indicates that players had to have contact whit her/him at some point in the past and did something to make her/him your nemesis, which exclude any character from book that didnt appear in game and had no contact whit player, also it have to be a character that have a reson to become your nemesis.

And even tho it suck, Anet cant mix PS whit LS cus ther are many players that didnt finish yet PS and it would be a major surprise spoiler for them, not to mention that any new player that missed this LS part wouldnt know about a fact that specific character from PS is evil cus its not mentioned in actual PS.

p.s. and yea tbh Anise was always suspicious to me throu the whole PS and she maybe ploting something but that would be only in actual future PS expansion.

p.s.s. than again if it have to be someone that the player know but is not conected to PS than i have no idea who could it be. Anise being a Scarlet would be a first plot twist in gw2 story but as i mentioned above its not possible.

Cold Hearted Person.6154:

The importan fact here is that Anet stated that it will be your personal Nemesis, which indicates that players had to have contact whit her/him at some point in the past and did something to make her/him your nemesis, which exclude any character from book that didnt appear in game and had no contact whit player, also it have to be a character that have a reson to become your nemesis.

And even tho it suck, Anet cant mix PS whit LS cus ther is many players that didnt finish yet PS and it would be a major surprise spoiler for them, not to mention that any new player that missed this LS part wouldnt know about a fact that specific character from PS is evil cus its not mentioned in actual PS.

p.s. and yea tbh Anise was always suspicious to me throu the whole PS and she maybe ploting something but that would be only in actual future PS expansion.

p.s.s. than again if it have to be someone that the player know but is not conected to PS than i have no idea who could it be. Anise being a Scarlet would be a first plot twist in gw2 story but as i mentioned above its not possible.

And that’s the problem. It’s not my story. It’s not your story. It’s everybody’s story. and everybody is not at the same point in the story, so the LS can not intersect with the PS.

IMO the LS should be on a timeline where it’s understood that these events take place after the death of Zhaitan. Even if you do it before the final PS mission.

Maybe Scarlet is meant to be the nemesis and the whole start was meant to be setting her up as someone who knows who you are, but you don’t know about them until they’re ready to be known.

While Livia and Anise would both have the capabilities to be Scarlet, I don’t think either of them actually are because it would go against their motivations.

Livia has, from all we’ve seen, devoted her (long) life wholeheartedly to defending Kryta, even with major obstacles in her path and seemingly with little reaction to being insulted or belittled by her peers. It wouldn’t make sense for her to have suddenly switched loyalties and focus, particularly without some major event having turned her from her course – which we’ve seen no indication of. It would be a complete 180 switch of her character without sufficient justification.

Even if Anise is just faking devotion to the queen (and there’s no evidence to suggest that’s the case,) if something were to happen to Jennah it would seriously weaken Anise’s own position too. Anise’s political power derives from the queen, and she has seemingly been quite successful under Jennah’s regime; putting someone else on the throne or weakening Jennah offers no clear advantage but a major disadvantage in that Anise would earn the reputation of being the Shining Blade leader who failed to protect her monarch, and be less trusted and respected in the future.

I don’t think Scarlet is either Livia or Anise because neither of them would gain anything – at least as far as I can see – through Scarlet’s actions. Scarlet would be someone working to advance her own goals, not someone working contrary to her own interests, so the motivations have to match up with potential candidates.

Scarlet is a woman. Anise is a woman. So Anise must be Scarlet!

Sorry, but that’s the only match. Considering the loyalty Anise has to Kryta and Queen Jennah, she is probably one of the last people to be Scarlet, along with Livia.

Since Scarlet looked and sounded like a female Sylvari to me, I’m actually hoping she’ll be one of the unknown Firstborn.

IMO Scarlet is Sylvari from Opening Ceremony.
She maybe also Trah… Canach girl. Why not? xD

And Livia? OMG, she was so pretty in Guild Wars 1. And she fought for Kryta and her Queen. What’s the point of Livia aka’Scarlet?

Corruption? She wasn’t stupid.

MauricioCezar.2673:

She is present in PS. It would be a great failure of A-net change her personality, due to some player are in middle of the PS..

Oh, really? So we have to watch some passerby’s betrayals all time? Because all significant chars present in PS? Now that’s fail.

MauricioCezar.2673:

You’ve awnsred your own question : She is present in PS. It would be a great failure of A-net change her personality, due to some player are in middle of the PS.

They will be alikely of : Defeating she at LS x Helping she at PS. I think that all NPC’s significative of LS had nothing relationed with PS.

But she is a good candidate, But I vote for another sylvari nemesis. I’m yet sure that all sylvaris are dragonborns, minions of Jungle dragon.

You’re lazy. I’m quite positive that the newer players or the uniformed players that don’t do PERSONAL STORY wouldn’t know what the hell you’re talking about with your BS “PS/LS” crud. And the plural of Sylvari is actually Sylvari. And your cross-referencing is quite out of place due to the fact of The Pale Tree’s history. Please learn to GW2 before you open your mouth and hurt the newbies with your lies about “Jungle Dragon” and abbreviations. But honestly when I read your comment, I have never laughed AT anything harder than I laughed at your comment. Even my wife joined in! I’m also quite astounded you used “You’ve” but the rest is hardly legible.

Rumour has it that Ellen kiel is scarlet

JakeG.9620:

Rumour has it that Ellen kiel is scarlet

Rumor also has it she’s a male Asura working with the Inquest.

smeen.4237:

Since Scarlet looked and sounded like a female Sylvari to me, I’m actually hoping she’ll be one of the unknown Firstborn.

There are only 12 firstborns. And all of those 12 are known. Except, it another firstborn from other pale tree we have known.

(people seems forget Lady Kasmeer, she does not even have a clear background story (even in PS). We only see her in SC, cinematic of DB, but nowhere seen in QJ. It also may be Caudecus or one of minister itself.).

It’s definitely not that Sylvari that appears during the opening ceremony. That would be WAY too obvious. “Hurr she’s with the aetherblades and wearing red, she must be scarlet!!!one11!”

zhorak.8254:

Okay. After that we realised that someone is controlling the new guards who is really close at the moment, we spotted a red-black cloaked sylvari woman. Scarlet? Personally, I don’t think so.

i would love it if this were true…. because if that sylvari dressed in red is scarlet… then Anet’s stories are kinda… predictable… like what would be the point of naming that red clad sylvari “mysterious figure” lol and honestly… if that sylvari did make a big reveal that she’s scarlet… i’m pretty sure most of the players wouldn’t be very surprised

deviller.9135:

There are only 12 firstborns. And all of those 12 are known. Except, it another firstborn from other pale tree we have known.

Not true. There are still 3 of them that we don’t know. The ones currently known are:

- Aife
- Caithe
- Dagonet
- Faolain
- Kahedins
- Malomedies
- Niamh
- Riannoc
- Trahearne

If the suspicious figure is Scarlet, then I’m calling that it’s Caithe from the alternate dimension (going by her appearance)

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

JakeG.9620:

Rumour has it that Ellen kiel is scarlet

Rumor also has it she’s a male Asura working with the Inquest.

It’s Snaff! Come back for revenge.

I had the theory that Scarlet was Anise and googled this thread up :P

I haven’t been following the storyline lately. Is there any proof yet that she’s not?

Hickeroar.9734:

I had the theory that Scarlet was Anise and googled this thread up :P

I haven’t been following the storyline lately. Is there any proof yet that she’s not?

Mountains of proof that she is not, yet not a shred of evidence that it might be true.

Hickeroar.9734:

I had the theory that Scarlet was Anise and googled this thread up :P

I haven’t been following the storyline lately. Is there any proof yet that she’s not?

Pretty sure Anise and Scarlet appeared simultaneously in every major event during the Queen’s Jubilee. Basically we’ve seen Anise and Scarlet in the same room so they’re not alter egos or anything.