Guild Wars 2

Liadri isn’t a DPS race. It’s about playing smart and not getting hit by avoidable damage. Losing 20% of your DPS because you can’t control your pet is not what is causing you to be unable to do the fight. I promise.

Change your build and play better. Simple as that. Just because there’s content in the game you can’t face-desk with 149 other people doesn’t mean your class is bad.

I ran though it on my ranger, Was tough , but doable.

Actually enjoyed it

I played it on my Guardian.

The only weapon I used was Scepter.

I just kited around as I spammed my #1 attack on her.

Larynx.2453:

Liadri isn’t a DPS race.

Except that it’s a timed event.

Liadri is hardly a DPS race. After doing the three orbs she pretty much explodes, she has like no HP at all.

Tarrek.7436:

You guys (anet) refuse to put rangers on par with other classes because for some reason you don’t want to give players the option to use a pet or not. Not a smart move, but whatever. That’s been a known and ignored problem. I guess you can do that. What you can’t do however is create a fight that puts said ignored class at a major disadvantage by crippling half it’s ability using insta kill effects that bad pet AI can’t dodge. If you are going to force rangers to use pets, then don’t remove the pets with cheap abilities that make us unable to complete a fight because we are at half efficiency.

Yeah, losing ~40% of our damage is awful, but doable. What -I- do is run with Sig of Renewal, Sig of the Wild, Sig of the hunt, RaO, TU, Fernhound/Raven, this year i was in Celestial chest piece + accessories, with zerker armor filling in the rest, and cleric weapons (in processes of making celestial gear, threw on zerker set pieces to boost damage slightly). Last year i did it all zerker.

Trait wise I ran something like 6/4/4/0/0 with sig of BM, Piercing Arrows, Sig Mastery in marks. 20% CD on bow reduction and sharpened edges on skirmishing, and then vigorous renewal and like soften the fall or something like that for WS (wanted the 3 point trait didn’t know where to spend the last point so just threw it in WS).

For phase one i use the LB so i can knock the apparitions away/where i need them to be so i can pick up and obtain crystals, then i swap between the bows as i need the skills in the second phase and just kite her around the room.
If i get a point in time where me and liadri are in a safe zone from roughly when it appears i’ll bust out the raven, use the F2, and let it deal as much damage as possible before it dies. SotW and RaO i sorta use on CD in the P2 of the fight in order to up my DPS enough to kill her.

It NORMALLY takes me until around 40s left until the time expires to kill her. Very very very very rarely do i finish before that, and it normally relies on me knocking her back with LB and getting a few lucky crits + getting downed and rallying so i get my pet to fight with me a bit longer.

It’s hard, but doable.

Larynx.2453:

Liadri isn’t a DPS race. It’s about playing smart and not getting hit by avoidable damage. Losing 20% of your DPS because you can’t control your pet is not what is causing you to be unable to do the fight. I promise.

Change your build and play better. Simple as that. Just because there’s content in the game you can’t face-desk with 149 other people doesn’t mean your class is bad.

Says the guy who only plays zerker warrior, you can’t “control your pet” to avoid Liadri 1 shooting it. You MIGHT be able to get the pet to last until phase 2 and get 2 autos off, but that’s pushing it.

Also, the pet contributes AT LEAST 30% of your damage, unless you’re running a bear and 6/6/x/x/0 zerker, then it might be like 25%.

dps not a problem. normal mode easily done on a full cleric healing healaway guard while only using staff 1. Timer only is an issued when you are attempting 8 orbs.

Any class with a decent build can kill her with a ranged auto attack 1 by simply learning to circle strafe in a small loop in the center. just be sure to bring a few condi clears for the cripple

http://taugrim.com/2011/04/07/guide-to-strafing-movement-and-keybindings/

I can’t complain. I killed Liadri with the 8 Orb achievement on my ranger yesterday. It is a bit annoying with the pet instantly dieing more or less, but jsut make sure to have a wolf on switch, so that you can get a fear off atleast once. It does help in second phase.

You also need to go into heavy dodging. That does help alot. The dps shouldn’t be a problem if you run with Berserker, even if you use the Longbow.

Liadri is supposed to be hard, so just keep on trying and improving. However, you do have a point with the pet mechanics on some parts of the content. Our special ability is the only one that can get countered in PvE content and not work as intended, which is a bit sad. But ranger is certainly not a useless class.

Ahh yes, I remember doing some of this content last year with my warrior vs the ranger. Warrior, easy peasy; Ranger doable but not worth the effort as the warrior can just do it better.

Your pet is either doing 2 things:

1) Parked at your side along with the 20-40% dps loss
2) Dead with the 20-40% dps loss

Pets were also hit with the crit (ferocity) nerf as well. So aside from the Ranger losing damage from their class, the pets also suffered a damage loss as well. Just some food for thought.

Personally, I’ve grown used to my pet sitting at my side either buffing me or giving the occasional CC if needed. Most things in this game are not a dps race so losing the dps isn’t really that big of a deal.

Why do people still want to play this class?

Anet can’t fix it , its going to be close to 2 years and rangers are still laughable (especially in PvE)

other classes are simply MILES better. point blank, period.

ranger is one of my easier fights against liadri. i just use both bows and the fight isn’t nearly as hard as you make it out to be. not engi easy, but still

Don’t blame your class for failing. It’s not that terrible. After doing it a couple of times on warr and guardian it only took me 3 tries to get her down on ranger.

Tarrek.7436:

Except that you are on a timer.

It also takes about 20-30s to kill Liadri in phase 2.

It’s only a DPS race if you’re cleric or soldier.

Tarrek.7436:

I know what I am talking about.

I bet you do. Thanks for letting me know. Don’t blame the class for your own failings, Liadri is almost trivial if you know how to play to game. It is mechanically simple, and requires about a minute, two minutes maximum, of concentration. If you get fatigued after that long, I’m really concerned.

How about instead of moaning on the forum, in a thread where you’ll get no sympathy, with devs who won’t give it a second thought, you actually go kill Liadri.

I’m really curious what you think is so hard, specifically, about Liadri.

Durzlla.6295:

Larynx.2453:

Liadri isn’t a DPS race. It’s about playing smart and not getting hit by avoidable damage. Losing 20% of your DPS because you can’t control your pet is not what is causing you to be unable to do the fight. I promise.

Change your build and play better. Simple as that. Just because there’s content in the game you can’t face-desk with 149 other people doesn’t mean your class is bad.

Says the guy who only plays zerker warrior, you can’t “control your pet” to avoid Liadri 1 shooting it. You MIGHT be able to get the pet to last until phase 2 and get 2 autos off, but that’s pushing it.

Also, the pet contributes AT LEAST 30% of your damage, unless you’re running a bear and 6/6/x/x/0 zerker, then it might be like 25%.

Well I mean I beat it on a thief autoattacking with shortbow. Are you really going to tell me a dedicated ranger build does less DPS at range than a thief without clusterbomb? on top of having less health and less HPS.

Not that it’s even a DPS race to begin with…

I personally feel the fight is a reminder that the pets need to only take like 20% damage from 1-shot moves. It’d fix the problem pretty fast, as at least then they could survive kittens before becoming useless.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I personally feel the fight is a reminder that the pets need to only take like 20% damage from 1-shot moves. It’d fix the problem pretty fast, as at least then they could survive kittens before becoming useless.

I want the same for my phants/clones. Maximum 20% dmg per attk… I would love it.

Sergoros.4398:

RyuDragnier.9476:

I personally feel the fight is a reminder that the pets need to only take like 20% damage from 1-shot moves. It’d fix the problem pretty fast, as at least then they could survive kittens before becoming useless.

I want the same for my phants/clones. Maximum 20% dmg per attk… I would love it.

IMO it’s how it should be for all 1-shot moves against helper NPCs. Now regular AoEs…no, you’re mostly fine outside of WvW, Ranger pets actually DO need to take less damage on that front there.