Guild Wars 2

I have some theories regarding Scarlet and Mordy and the grand picture of everything. Please note before reading below that I don’t have concrete evidence for any of this but its more of speculation so feel free to discuss/criticize or add to this.

When Scarlet came out of Omadd’s device she said she saw the grand picture and how the nightmare court, pale tree, caithe and faolain were all “part of a grand design”. Scarlet’s vision had thorny vines (much like we’ve been encountering which are probably Mordy’s) crawling up the Pale Tree. We also know that when she wanted was to be free from control or from anyone trying to control her fate. She even proceeded to say that the forces that push them can be set against each other.

Now here’s what my theory is. What I think is that the Nightmare Court are to Mordy as what the Sons of Svanir are to Jormag. I also believe that Faolain knows of Mordremoth’s existence, moreover Caithe’s dark secret is she also knows of this but has not done anything or said anything about it. Scarlet found out about this and wanted to set Mordremoth against the Pale Tree in hopes of Mordy taking her out. She would then rely on us (the pact) in taking care of Mordy, thus in the end setting the Sylvari race free from both forces.

Except that the Nightmare Court are aligned with the Pale Tree, they love the Pale Tree and the Dream, they hate Ventari’s teachings. It’s sort of been implied in the story that the Dream protects Sylvari from Mordremoths corruption. So while the Nightmare Court may in some way be acting in Mordremoths favour, I don’t think they know they’re doing it.

My feelings are that the Pale Tree, in gaining sentient life,. knows where it came from (Mord) and knows what being tied to such a beast entails. Being that the Pale Tree grew based on Ronan’s courage and Ventari’s ideals, it came to conclusion that Mordremoth is more destructive than helpful to all of Tyria (ED’s are practically bulldozers on a world-wide scale).

So by trying to beg Scarlet, “not to continue further”… keep in mind that Mord was awoken seven years earlier than he should have been. I think maybe the Pale Tree was dreading this moment and that’s why it was trying to keep the truth of The Dream secret, because the secret is at the heart of it there’s Mord – the grandfather everyone hates or should.

I’m inclined to believe The Nightmore Court nor Feolain or Caedern, know the Pale Tree’s origins. They’re more or less blind to the threat and merely saw Scarlet’s goals in some way coinciding with their own while not realizing what it was Scarlet had seen. There’s a disconnect in that whole mess, that the Nightmore Court unknowingly is playing into some plot beyond their control but in being unable to see it they of course believe they’re trying to make a better life for the Sylvari without Ventari’s teachings.

My idea was that only Faolain of the Nightmare Court knows the truth about their actions helping Mordy in some way and that Caithe found out about this. The Pale Tree also knew about Mordy and how Scarlet’s actions would wake him up. I’m still inclined to believe that there’s something else in the works other than Mordy because of how The Pale Tree when talking to Scarlet in Omadd’s machine refers to “the forces that shape us”.

The Sons worship Jormag.

The Nightmare Court don’t even know that Mordremoth exists. Nobody in-game does.

Yes I know that, my idea goes like: Faolain knows that the Nightmare helps Mordy, keeps things secret from everyone except Caithe.

If the NC is aware of it, it’s likely that the knowledge is in the Dream, and therefore the Pale Tree and other Sylvari would be aware of it too.

If Caithe knows of it, it’s even more unlikely that others aren’t aware of it.

Wanderer.3248:

If the NC is aware of it, it’s likely that the knowledge is in the Dream, and therefore the Pale Tree and other Sylvari would be aware of it too.

If Caithe knows of it, it’s even more unlikely that others aren’t aware of it.

The Pale Tree is aware of it though, that’s why it was pleading with Ceara “not to go any further”. In efforts to prevent others from following in the footsteps of those such as Scarlet, the Pale Tree is trying to hide something from her children. It could be argued that the Pale Tree has known about the existence of Mord since it became aware of itself and was acting preemptively to prevent others from straying too close. As we see with Scarlet, she got too close and as a result became instrumental for Mord’s cause.

EDIT: Although there’s reason to suggest that Scarlet may have had some ulterior motive based on the quote found on the complete Spinal Blade’s Blue Print: “Caithe, one day you’ll see that Tyria needs me.” She just became a tragic villain in that her death of course lead to the breach maker meeting its destination – there is nothing at this point telling us what she would have done had we not intervened and she were allowed to continue.

She was however still instrumental which appears to be working for Mord’s benefit.

Exactly what Ronin was saying, I have a feeling that The Pale Tree has some control over what info is propagated to other Sylvari in the Dream. From her reaction to Scarlet (in trying to understand the forces that shape us you’ll unleash them upon the world that is not ready yet ~ What Scarlet Saw) she clearly knows that Mordy is around and knew that what Scarlet wanted to do would have effects towards him. Scarlet also says by name that the NC and Faolain and Caithe including with them the Pale Tree all play a role in a grand scheme. Afterwards we find out that Caithe is keeping a dark secret that Scarlet found out about.

Ronin.7381:

Wanderer.3248:

If the NC is aware of it, it’s likely that the knowledge is in the Dream, and therefore the Pale Tree and other Sylvari would be aware of it too.

If Caithe knows of it, it’s even more unlikely that others aren’t aware of it.

The Pale Tree is aware of it though, that’s why it was pleading with Ceara “not to go any further”. In efforts to prevent others from following in the footsteps of those such as Scarlet, the Pale Tree is trying to hide something from her children.

I was talking about the Court, not Scarlet. If the Nightmare Court are corrupted, then Omad’s device has nothing to do with it, since the court has been around before Scarlet had anything to do with them.

How would not telling anyone that the Nightmare Court is corrupted prevent anyone joining it? It clearly isn’t working.

That’s even assuming that the Pale Tree could prevent people learning the court was corrupted. If the pale tree can choose what Sylvari see in the dream, why not shield Sylvari from the nightmare totally? If she could do that, she could ruin the courts plans completely.

More likely, the reason that no-one knows that the court is corrupted is because they aren’t.

Xukavi.4320:

Exactly what Ronin was saying, I have a feeling that The Pale Tree has some control over what info is propagated to other Sylvari in the Dream.

The very existence of The Nightmare demonstrates the lack of control that the Pale Tree has over The Dream.

Xukavi.4320:

From her reaction to Scarlet (in trying to understand the forces that shape us you’ll unleash them upon the world that is not ready yet ~ What Scarlet Saw) she clearly knows that Mordy is around and knew that what Scarlet wanted to do would have effects towards him. Scarlet also says by name that the NC and Faolain and Caithe including with them the Pale Tree all play a role in a grand scheme. Afterwards we find out that Caithe is keeping a dark secret that Scarlet found out about.

Firstly, you are begging the question by assuming it was Mordremoth. But let’s assume for the moment that the Entity was Mordemoth, the the Pale Tree would want to prevent Scarlet from using Omad’s device. (She would want to prevent her from using it, no matter what the Entity was).

But what does this have to do with the Nightmare Court? Nothing. If the Court are already corrupted then Omad’s device isn’t going to make things worse. It’s not like they’re going to become double minions. If the court aren’t corrupted, then obviously that doesn’t mean that the Pale Tree isn’t aware of Mordremoth, it simply means that the rest of the Sylvari aren’t.

Basically, the idea that both Scarlet and the Nightmare Court are corrupted is contradictory. Only one works – either corruption via Nightmare, or corruption via isolation from the dream.