Well this thread is embarrasing. As soon as anet delivers slightly more complex fights people claim its too hard. Its really not hard. I honestly dont know what to think. I thought games were supposed to be challenging.
I want more than 10 times the difficulty of this fight for future stuff. But its a step in the right direction. Maybe you will learn how to play the game if anet continues to increase the difficulty. I can only hope. :P
I’d say people play games for fun, not challenge, but to many challenge = fun, while to some others the fun in the game may be the visuals, the activities they can do in the game, and other things that make up a game.
In short, I think games are supposed to be fun, whether it’s challenging or not depends on who is playing it, and who the target audience is.
If you play games for visuals etc you are probably better off watching films. Just saying. I dont think anyone buys games purely for visuals. Gameplay is important. And that usually involves some form of challenge to make you interact with the game. Obviously they are nice additions and make good games better, but the reason way play games is to play something interactive. If its not challenging then that interaction is somewhat numbed and the play experience becomes dull very quickly. You need challenge to increase the longevity of a game.
This is why most of us dungeon runners are now thinking of moving away from the game. With the announced no work being done on new dungeon content. The game looks like it is wasting its combat system and new content with high replayability is not a priority for anet. The games longevity will suffer in the longterm if this isnt revised. Unfortunately its too late for most of us. Which is a shame because the combat system is amazing and really suits challenging combat perfectly.
I should have been more descriptive than that, and that was probably the wrong word for it what I meant by “visuals”, I mean the visual aspect of the game as a whole, everything from weapon/armor skin collecting, gaining access to new regions, to simply liking how your character swings their bow, or shoots their sword, performing simple activities so people can obtain more of these things is actually fairly popular in some games.
I’m not saying challenge is bad, nor am I against it, I was just saying that there is more to video games than just challenge, people play them for different reasons. A large number of people who play pokemon games probably don’t expect to be challenged much, but they still find it entertaining.
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True. One of the main reasons i still play gw2 is because of the dress up factor. But thats still a secondary feature. Gameplay, challenge and longevity are whats most important any game which isnt a pure dress up game.
The fact is that anet are wasting their combat system by keeping the game purely casual. Its honestly one of the best combat and build systems ive experienced. Such a shame.
I have to say that I found the boss fight a lot of fun- it was well thought out with different things going on at once (especially challenge mode) but not too challenging.
Personally, I think the difficulty was perfect, harder than what we were used to, but nowhere near liadri level (I didn’t enjoy the endless amount of tries it took me to kill her finally) I died once using a condition warrior build on this fight so if more boss fights on this level are added, it would make it a brilliant season for me.
I also have to say the boss fights in general are better designed now, I mean the statue and the mordrem thrasher at fort salma were both more than just hit the boss until it dies.
I made the mistake to do play the whole season 2 (not season 1, I missed that one) as engineer. The last fight in retrospect wasn’t really hard even though I kept dieing mostly to jumping off the ledge or getting thrown down by these stupid tentacles and the other times simply because after a long time at work your concentration levels are tanking in those fights. It was excruciatingly slow and repetitive like the other fights. Seems telegraphed dodge hell is the new bullet hell. As a general thing I have learned for these last boss fights: bring lots of time and patience, and a repair canister.
Otherwise it’s entirely doable! Remember: You don’t have to really like these solo fights, you only have to remain calm and stubborn enough to finish them.
I died over 14 times on the fight (I didn’t count). My entire set of armor was destroyed. I didn’t find it too difficult. It’s a mid-season finale boss fight. Then I put on my clerics set of armor to talk with the leaders and companions XD
And honestly, those craving difficult content deserve a bone thrown to them just as much as those looking for easy face roll content.
The fight was doable solo on a glass cannon build even if you aren’t perfect. It will take dying a lot but it is doable.
So I finally got round to doing this LS, and didn’t even die on the final fight.
How can people even die on such an easy fight, let alone until all armour is broken?
Well, as for me, I was trying to give that dragon minion a fighting chance, see. I didn’t want him to be discouraged and go flying back to his master with his tail tucked between his legs, because that might have made Mordy think ‘Hmm, maybe this isn’t such a good idea after all; maybe I should just go back to bed,’ which would have ruined the rest of LS2 for everybody. So, you’re welcome. I guess.
So I finally got round to doing this LS, and didn’t even die on the final fight.
How can people even die on such an easy fight, let alone until all armour is broken?
Well, you are certainly a talented person then with good reaction skills, a top-notch spatial awareness and alert mind. But you are also a person which is familiar with current game and class mechanics and your own signatures links to boss solos so it’s your forte to solo things. It used to be mine too and I am sure with a lot of dedication I could get back to it. Hence why I especially noted it’s not hard.
It also kind of hinted why I got tired of raids in MMOs having its roots in boss fight designs which seemed to be more of the same everywhere especially now that telegraphing has become a thing it seems to have become an excuse for the same “spam effect here” fad. I frankly am disappointed that fights seem to revolve around dodge-and-kill-adds/progress undoer-fast-else-your-beer-will-get-lukewarm type of fights. It’s become a predictable design pattern now that I kind of anticipate it to happen in every fight now.
I had zero problems with the boss of the last chapter, it was slow, but doable. This time I was kinda exhausted from work and not really paying attention to stuff on screen. So I died a lot. I hope this explains it. On the other hand it would not have happened if I had been playing this game actively but frankly I am too casual due to real-life now, I play this game only for this story at the moment, actually spent money for gems to unlock the last chapter since I missed it. The only thing I am wishing for is not a nerf but some more interesting mechanics.
There is a well reasoned post from broom, who makes it clear he/she can do the mission but understands the difficulty of less competent players. the point that this is story line is well made. I have no problem with there being content I can’t play I wouldn’t attempt the challenges, I don’t attempt special events but I do expect to be able to do story line content. I am never going to be significantly better as a player. Perhaps better players dismissive of mediocre players such as myself should ask how likely it is the game would continue to be supported if large numbers of average and mediocre players who probably represent the majority of the player base took their advice and found a different game to play
You beat it no problem while others floundered and found it difficult / challenging, well done! What more do you want a gold star? a noddy badge? Honestly I have no problem with those that found it easy, I myself finished it without too much trouble, but I don’t know that it excuses the condescending and self important attitude it’s given some people.
for other not very good necromancers, I realised that I had done better on my first of a dozen or so attempts when I had not read about semi safe areas and not concentrated on getting in to them . Although people talk about using ranged weapons from these areas I always got out of range messages. Various posts talked about foods and condition damage reduction—you can buy a bowl of lemongrass poultry soup for about 49 silver at the trading post and I used this for my successful attempt, during which I also needed 3 instant repair canisters( 35 jewels each on trading post) Whilst I found Wielder of Magics post almost impossible to understand he clearly suggested well of power so I equipped that. I used an armour booster the reduce incoming damage by 5% one but had to find this from another character as had used the one you get in the story on an earlier attempt . Unfortunately apart from replaying the story with another character I don’t know how you get one reliably if you haven’t got one . With all of this was able to finally complete mission despite a dozen or so previous failures
Not so fun fact having to play thru it all again on ranger to unlock chieves ,
There are plenty of people who are level 80 and rangers who you could invite into the instance, too. Plus, the other classes aren’t totally helpless in this instance.
What I think would be a good tip is that you don’t need to dodge that huge attack that hits everywhere. Time it right, and I believe you can jump to avoid getting hit.
Not so fun fact having to play thru it all again on ranger to unlock chieves ,
There are plenty of people who are level 80 and rangers who you could invite into the instance, too. Plus, the other classes aren’t totally helpless in this instance.
What I think would be a good tip is that you don’t need to dodge that huge attack that hits everywhere. Time it right, and I believe you can jump to avoid getting hit.
I personally found the fight to be okay. I think I died once the very first time from dodging off the edge. The achievements were what I took some time to get right, not from dying but from simply mis-timing dodges. once you get those out of the way, the challenge mode is cake because you don’t need to worry so much about missing one dodge. I probably wouldn’t have bothered with the achievements (as I find them more tedious/annoying than challenging or fun to do) but was trying to get my 10k ap rewards… so yeah. :/
It wasn’t hard just… annoying I think. I can understand why someone not used to such fights would have a hard time with it, though. I grew up on single player games (mostly puzzle platformers or action/adventure) so I’m sort of used to these kinds of things in games. In an MMO it’s a little new I suppose, and it’s true that there are all kinds of people who play MMOs. Not just hardcore gamers, many are into it for different reasons. So I guess it wouldn’t be unreasonable if the fights were less challenging in story-related missions.
Even though I really appreciate any challenges added to the game since I personally like that sort of thing, I don’t think it should be required content to continue things like story. IE, Queen’s Gauntlet was great for people wanting some individual challenge (like myself) and yet it was not required by any means.
Please please, don’t take the difficulty out of the content. The boss fight for me, was pretty easy, I didn’t fully die, but I did get downed about twice during the achievement run that requires the pod activated (boss aoe hurts while you are rooted…). Anyway, I found the fight still doable.
If you have difficulty in the fight, try asking others for advice? retrait? bring different weapons? different gear if you are not comfortable with berserker? try different class?
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