Guild Wars 2

Stupid 45 character limit in titles; If you were a writer in the LS2 story, would you push for Caithe to be tried and/or punished for what’s happened?

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

Trial for what? Slaying beasts? They are centaurs, savages. Faolain wasn’t wrong.

Verificus.4320:

Trial for what? Slaying beasts? They are centaurs, savages. Faolain wasn’t wrong.

Your RP aside, there’s also Treason vs the pact and arguably Treason vs. the Pale Tree

We don’t know her reasoning yet for running off with the Egg, for all we know she’s doing it for a good reason.

AS to the slaughtering of the centaur, Caithe didn’t do anything wrong. As far as she knew the centaur attacked Faolain, the person she loved, and she acted in defense when they became hostile.

So no she shouldn’t be put on trial for anything.

Those poor centaurs only wanted peace
As a punishment of being an accomplish of a mass murderer (even if she didn’t know why the centaurs attacked, the centaur said to caith to stay where she was. She didn’t stay so she is guilty) and stealing an egg (and potential corruption of a feature dragon)… jailed for life and the asura are free to experiment upon her XD

Windsagio.1340:

Verificus.4320:

Trial for what? Slaying beasts? They are centaurs, savages. Faolain wasn’t wrong.

Your RP aside, there’s also Treason vs the pact and arguably Treason vs. the Pale Tree

I very much doubt there is such a thing as “treason versus the pale tree”

As for the pact i’m fairly sure that it all depends on her reasonings of which we know next to nothing.

If the Centaurs aren’t pressing charges, who is going to trial her?
As for the egg, it is too soon to tell what will happen.
So if I was the writer, no I would not.
I would though see if she could make some amends to the Centaurs as a race.

Windsagio.1340:

Verificus.4320:

Trial for what? Slaying beasts? They are centaurs, savages. Faolain wasn’t wrong.

Your RP aside, there’s also Treason vs the pact and arguably Treason vs. the Pale Tree

Until we know what she’s done with the egg, you can’t free charge her with treason. As for the treason charges itself, we don’t know if she (or the other DE members) are technically Pact members. They help sure, but I very much doubt they are actually members themselves. I would probably say DE are allied with the Pact, with Zojja being more of a consultant on tech.

The treason charges against the Pale Tree/Grove would be dropped as well. She hasn’t done anything against the Pale Tree interests, or consorting with enemies of the Pale Tree, as a whole… that we know of.

Atlas.9704:

If the Centaurs aren’t pressing charges, who is going to trial her?
As for the egg, it is too soon to tell what will happen.
So if I was the writer, no I would not.
I would though see if she could make some amends to the Centaurs as a race.

Why would she need to make amends to centaurs as a race? the multitude of centaurs tend to attack us on sight, never had them make amends for it

Its not treason vs the Pact. At worst, its a betrayal against you specifically, since only you and your group (and a handful of others) even know about the Egg. The Pact is getting ready for the assault on Mordremoth, not worrying about the egg which they don’t even really know exists. That’s your personal quest at the moment.

And heck, we don’t know if its treason at all yet. We haven’t figured out what she’s up to or what she knows.

As for the centaur slaughter… horrible as it is, I think the world has more pressing matters to attend to than some random Sylvari who killed some centaurs 10+ years ago. Besides, who would try her anyway? The Centaur tribe she commited the crime against is long gone (either she and Faolin killed all of them or they just died off / moved on afterwards), the other Centaur tribes probably couldn’t care less about it as they seem largely separated from one another, and there’s no central “world government” ala the UN or anything which could punish her on behalf of the whole world.

I guess maybe the Sylvari could punish her, but I don’t think that likely either. Caithe IS still connected to the Dream and the Pale Tree as far as we know, and she most definitely was prior to these particular events (seeing how she’s the one who appears to guide player-created Sylvari through the dream during their tutorial), so I find it hard to believe the Pale Tree doesn’t already know about her prior exploits. Especially since it was the Pale Tree who gave us the seeds and sent us on the quest to see Caithe’s past, which I assume means she knows about her past AND knows or at least suspects it may have something to do with her current location. And if the Pale Tree already knows, then either Caithe has already been punished or the PT has decided not to punish her.

dsslive.8473:

Why would she need to make amends to centaurs as a race? the multitude of centaurs tend to attack us on sight, never had them make amends for it

I would have to agree. If they attack first, they don’t deserve any sort of amends.

That village of centaurs were suppose to be peaceful, but they attacked (my) Caithe first. She was happily sitting there, watching her girlfriend getting attacked by a whole herd of centaur out to kill her, when one comes out of nowhere and tramples her. Then some had the nerve to fire hails of arrows at her. It was all self-defense after that.

Erukk.1408:

Windsagio.1340:

Verificus.4320:

Trial for what? Slaying beasts? They are centaurs, savages. Faolain wasn’t wrong.

Your RP aside, there’s also Treason vs the pact and arguably Treason vs. the Pale Tree

Until we know what she’s done with the egg, you can’t free charge her with treason. As for the treason charges itself, we don’t know if she (or the other DE members) are technically Pact members. They help sure, but I very much doubt they are actually members themselves. I would probably say DE are allied with the Pact, with Zojja being more of a consultant on tech.

The treason charges against the Pale Tree/Grove would be dropped as well. She hasn’t done anything against the Pale Tree interests, or consorting with enemies of the Pale Tree, as a whole… that we know of.

She knew the Pale Tree’s vision was for you (not her) to get the Egg, and the discussion in the story (with the Tree) makes it clear that it’s not only bad, it’s potentially apocalyptic. That’s probably the most upset I’ve heard the tree be.

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And remember a trial isn’t a conviction or a punishment. It’s just an attempt to determine guilt. She might get off for mitigating circumstances.

The question of whether we’d find her innocent or guilty is an entirely different subject.

Jurisdiction is an interesting question though; The pact probably doesn’t have it, but the Sylvari have some legal system, as we see in the PS with Renvari.

Until we know all the details of her past acts we cannot speak of Sylvari/Pale Tree treason. As for the pact. Caithe could single-handely kill all pact members inside Camp Resolve in a single night. I don’t think she has to answer to anyone at all. If anything, she prolly stole the egg because the player character and pact have done such a bang up job so far trying to destroy the mordrem threat.

dsslive.8473:

Atlas.9704:

If the Centaurs aren’t pressing charges, who is going to trial her?
As for the egg, it is too soon to tell what will happen.
So if I was the writer, no I would not.
I would though see if she could make some amends to the Centaurs as a race.

Why would she need to make amends to centaurs as a race? the multitude of centaurs tend to attack us on sight, never had them make amends for it

If I was writing, the reason would be more of an internal reasoning.
Basically she felt bad enough to somehow make good with the remaining peaceful Centaurs.

Those multitude of centaurs that attack us on sight are waging war on the humans, plus anyone helping the two legs. So there is a difference. I’m speaking about those herds outside the dry tops of course.

Yes Caithe was defending her love, well that’s how the writers will explain it, and it was more or less a horrible mistake.

dsslive.8473:

We don’t know her reasoning yet for running off with the Egg, for all we know she’s doing it for a good reason.

AS to the slaughtering of the centaur, Caithe didn’t do anything wrong. As far as she knew the centaur attacked Faolain, the person she loved, and she acted in defense when they became hostile.

So no she shouldn’t be put on trial for anything.

Normally I hate those four legged abominations but in this case Im siding with them. They havent sone anything wrong. It was Faolain provoking them to attack her. Also Caithe should have known that their escort wasnt just there for their “protection”. They were a full killer squad.
And even when Caithe says that she simply followed Faolain and her orders its not a excuse for slaughtering other people.
She should be put on Trial, stripped off all her rights and executed in the most degrading way possible for high treason, murder of innocents, endangering her allies and conspiracy against whole Tyria. Stealing the egg just made the it more severe.
At this point the only reasonable options for us are either kill or capture her. Preferably with a unmanned asuran drone.

Schwarzseher.9873:

dsslive.8473:

We don’t know her reasoning yet for running off with the Egg, for all we know she’s doing it for a good reason.

AS to the slaughtering of the centaur, Caithe didn’t do anything wrong. As far as she knew the centaur attacked Faolain, the person she loved, and she acted in defense when they became hostile.

So no she shouldn’t be put on trial for anything.

Normally I hate those four legged abominations but in this case Im siding with them. They havent sone anything wrong. It was Faolain provoking them to attack her. Also Caithe should have known that their escort wasnt just there for their “protection”. They were a full killer squad.
And even when Caithe says that she simply followed Faolain and her orders its not a excuse for slaughtering other people.
She should be put on Trial, stripped off all her rights and executed in the most degrading way possible for high treason, murder of innocents, endangering her allies and conspiracy against whole Tyria. Stealing the egg just made the it more severe.
At this point the only reasonable options for us are either kill or capture her. Preferably with a unmanned asuran drone.

Caithe was naive at that point in her life, yes Faolain provoked the centaurs, but caithe did not know that. Her love for Faolain made her choose her side when it came to her attention that they were attacking her. Choosing between a group of complete strangers or the person you love, tends to be an easy choice made.

The escort for “their protection” wasn’t that hard to believe. They had only just saved their own from asura who used them in their experiments. They had no reason to take risks, so Caithe wasn’t being daft assuming it was really for their protection, as their previous experiences with other races didn’t go quite as well.

Erukk.1408:

I would have to agree. If they attack first, they don’t deserve any sort of amends.

That village of centaurs were suppose to be peaceful, but they attacked (my) Caithe first. She was happily sitting there, watching her girlfriend getting attacked by a whole herd of centaur out to kill her, when one comes out of nowhere and tramples her. Then some had the nerve to fire hails of arrows at her. It was all self-defense after that.

To be fair, I did that as well, but I knew it wouldn’t work. It was a game mechanics issue born from the fact that letting the centaurs win wasn’t an allowed choice. You’re forced to fight and save her.

Story-wise, one of them took you aside and tried to get you to stay out of harm’s way, because they knew things were about to turn ugly.

As for what to do to Caithe? A trial would do little good, but there are people that should know what she did. At the very least, the rest of DE and the Firstborn sylvari should know.

You can’t “make amends” for a pile of dead innocents, though I’m sure that’s what she thinks she’s doing right now with the egg. I guess she gets points for trying, but it’s not that easy. In fact, by hiding this event from everyone, she made it easier for Faolain’s following and the Nightmare Court to grow at first. Had the truth been known, it’s likely the sylvari would have been horrified and thrown Faolain out of the Grove.

As a final thought, what worries me is that maybe the Pale Tree didn’t know. The Soundless do not pass their memories and knowledge on through the Dream of Dreams, by cutting themselves off from it as much as they can. What if Caithe, instead of becoming Soundless, managed to bury the memories of these events so deep, so desperately, that they didn’t carry over into the Dream? Instead of dropping the protections of the Pale Tree like the Soundless do, she would have a hole in her defenses, one that could be used to corrupt her even while she’s still connected to the dream. By giving us these seeds to pull the memories from the locations instead of from Caithe, the Pale Tree may be trying to plug a suspected weakness in one of her Firstborn. Caithe would be vulnerable until she confesses her past and faces it, letting those memories enter the Dream.

dsslive.8473:

Schwarzseher.9873:

dsslive.8473:

We don’t know her reasoning yet for running off with the Egg, for all we know she’s doing it for a good reason.

AS to the slaughtering of the centaur, Caithe didn’t do anything wrong. As far as she knew the centaur attacked Faolain, the person she loved, and she acted in defense when they became hostile.

So no she shouldn’t be put on trial for anything.

Normally I hate those four legged abominations but in this case Im siding with them. They havent sone anything wrong. It was Faolain provoking them to attack her. Also Caithe should have known that their escort wasnt just there for their “protection”. They were a full killer squad.
And even when Caithe says that she simply followed Faolain and her orders its not a excuse for slaughtering other people.
She should be put on Trial, stripped off all her rights and executed in the most degrading way possible for high treason, murder of innocents, endangering her allies and conspiracy against whole Tyria. Stealing the egg just made the it more severe.
At this point the only reasonable options for us are either kill or capture her. Preferably with a unmanned asuran drone.

Caithe was naive at that point in her life, yes Faolain provoked the centaurs, but caithe did not know that. Her love for Faolain made her choose her side when it came to her attention that they were attacking her. Choosing between a group of complete strangers or the person you love, tends to be an easy choice made.

The escort for “their protection” wasn’t that hard to believe. They had only just saved their own from asura who used them in their experiments. They had no reason to take risks, so Caithe wasn’t being daft assuming it was really for their protection, as their previous experiences with other races didn’t go quite as well.

“I was Naive” doesn’t automatically protect you from culpability, I’d argue. That would be one of the advantages of a trial, figuring out how to assign guilt.

Atlas.9704:

I would though see if she could make some amends to the Centaurs as a race.

Wouldn’t it be cool if the whole reason she took the egg was to make amends to the Centaurs?

Perhaps Caithe later found out that Faolin masterminded the whole Centaur slaughter (i.e. provoking them to attack) and now she feels a profound sense of guilt – a guilt that can only be removed (somehow) by the egg itself.

Hmmm…

Windsagio.1340:

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

From our character’s perspective inside the tent, while Faolain was definitely being provocative, the centaurs attacked her first.

As for the egg, you’d have to prove a property right for it to be considered theft. Since our entire group including Caithe had just found it after the death of the previous owner, and the Master of Peace didn’t leave a written will, that would be tricky.

perilisk.1874:

Windsagio.1340:

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

From our character’s perspective inside the tent, while Faolain was definitely being provocative, the centaurs attacked her first.

As for the egg, you’d have to prove a property right for it to be considered theft. Since our entire group including Caithe had just found it after the death of the previous owner, and the Master of Peace didn’t leave a written will, that would be tricky.

“I call to the stand… (dramatic pause) … THE PALE TREE!”

I’d say though, my position being clear on Caithe’s actions, the point isn’t to punish her or get revenge, it’s to show that bad actions are actually examined and aren’t just dismissed out of hand.

To me, they can let her off, but it’d be good to know the heroes aren’t above examination.

perilisk.1874:

Windsagio.1340:

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

From our character’s perspective inside the tent, while Faolain was definitely being provocative, the centaurs attacked her first.

Ya. From what you can see (you have to step back and angle the camera when you’re talking to the centaur in the gut), Faolain raised her specter, but she didn’t actually attack anyone. After that, the centaurs rush in, and then the proto-NC rush in as well. It all goes downhill from there.

Windsagio.1340:

Stupid 45 character limit in titles; If you were a writer in the LS2 story, would you push for Caithe to be tried and/or punished for what’s happened?

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

I’d rather wait till the next LS episode. Remember, the whereabouts of Wynne are currently unknown. There may be more skeletons hidden in Caithe’s closet.

Astralporing.1957:

Windsagio.1340:

Stupid 45 character limit in titles; If you were a writer in the LS2 story, would you push for Caithe to be tried and/or punished for what’s happened?

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

I’d rather wait till the next LS episode. Remember, the whereabouts of Wynne are currently unknown. There may be more skeletons hidden in Caithe’s closet.

Oh, I fully expect Wynne to be dead. It’s the only way this could have remained a secret.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Caithe dies in the process of whatever mad agenda she’s set out on. It probably won’t be at the hands of the “good guys” though.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see some sort of self-sacrificing angle where she does something with the egg that is meant to help the “good guys,” but has to sacrifice herself to do it – which could be a way for her to make up for her mistakes of the past.

the only way to have an actual fair trial, would mean that more people would become aware of Glint’s egg… and considering there’s still an unknown Mordremoth spy within the Pact, making more people aware of the egg increases the chances that Mordremoth will learn of it. and if Mordemoth learns of before the spy or spies are rooted out, then it’s “Game over, man! Game over! What are we gonna do now, man! what are we gonna DO!” Trust me, building a fire and singing a few songs won’t help…

Caithe’s punishment is she becomes the new Pale Tree. Now, she must live and relive all the good and evil from her children. And from their actions, she will learn the consequences of her own.

yes, for destroying Asuran lab and interrupting an important experiment.

I’d want a trial or a reckoning of some sort, definitely. She killed a lot of almost-certainly-innocent creatures.

Faolin brings a group of sylvarie after telling caithe THEY would go (in other words, just those two).
As you go through, those other sylvarie are apparently discovered if you listen to the centaurs talk.
And although we can move to see what happens between faolin and the one centaur, this IS a memory, so technically caithe never knew.
The centaur that pulls us aside to talk plays the oh so wonderful game of “wait here because the reason must be kept a secret because nothing bad ever happens that way” game. I mean, caithe says how she loves Faolin (I see it as a sisterly love, not like cas and Del), so when she screams for help, wouldnt you run out?

We don’t know all the details, though I’m sure Faolin will gloat about how she killed the tribe, caithe will see how faolin is evil, and something about the site will require the egg.

So no, until all statements are given, I can’t pass judgement

Windsagio.1340:

Stupid 45 character limit in titles; If you were a writer in the LS2 story, would you push for Caithe to be tried and/or punished for what’s happened?

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

Well, technically speaking she’s the subject of a foreign nation. If at all, she would be tried in her home realm, so due to the nature of the Sylvari she’s more or less judged by the Pale Tree only.

Windsagio.1340:

Stupid 45 character limit in titles; If you were a writer in the LS2 story, would you push for Caithe to be tried and/or punished for what’s happened?

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

I’ll have to look into all the facts first otherwise my judgement would be premature. So far, we have only seen two-thirds of the whole story and I’ll get back to this thread once I have considered all the information. I can say this much, it’s leaning against her favor.

Palador.2170:

Astralporing.1957:

Windsagio.1340:

Stupid 45 character limit in titles; If you were a writer in the LS2 story, would you push for Caithe to be tried and/or punished for what’s happened?

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

I’d rather wait till the next LS episode. Remember, the whereabouts of Wynne are currently unknown. There may be more skeletons hidden in Caithe’s closet.

Oh, I fully expect Wynne to be dead. It’s the only way this could have remained a secret.

Agree, probably what Scarlet knew about as well.

Wynne being dead is pretty much a near guarantee at this point. A Firstborn we’ve never seen at any point before or after this, who just happens to have Caithe’s current hairstyle? 2 death flags already.

Palador.2170:

Oh, I fully expect Wynne to be dead. It’s the only way this could have remained a secret.

Unless Caithe, Faolain, Cadeyrn, and all the proto-NC members knew somehow to actively block their Dream connection during the attack on the centaur tribe, which I doubt since most of that group were newborns, all those memories were sent into the Dream. Which means the Pale Tree most in likely knows all what went down there.

Erukk.1408:

Palador.2170:

Oh, I fully expect Wynne to be dead. It’s the only way this could have remained a secret.

Unless Caithe, Faolain, Cadeyrn, and all the proto-NC members knew somehow to actively block their Dream connection during the attack on the centaur tribe, which I doubt since most of that group were newborns, all those memories were sent into the Dream. Which means the Pale Tree most in likely knows all what went down there.

Depends on whether the pale tree actually actively watches all these memories.

The Pale Tree does not know everything that transpires in the Dream. (If she did, then she would have automatically known where are the important locations that Caithe would have likely gone to ground in, and would have had no reason to send the PC on a quest with the memory seeds.) She is unique among the Sylvari in that she can actually still actively access the Dream to reveal visions or view specific memories, but she needs to actively do it; she is not omniscient. (Other Sylvari can no longer receive information from the Dream once they are born.)

I agree that Caithe does need to be held to account for what she’s done, although everything she did in “No Refuge” was not instigated by her. Remember, we only know what REALLY happened with Faolain and the centaurs because we could tag along with other players and thus remain outside and see it was Faolain provoking the centaurs to begin with. As far as Caithe (and the PC, since they would have only seen what Caithe saw) knows, she only heard Faolain scream, a disturbance of some kind, and she ran out to find them fighting. In an emergency, wouldn’t you always side with your loved one over some strangers?

The problem with the No Refuge instance is that it wasn’t made clear to players that Caithe had no clue that Faolain instigated that fight. Yes, she was really rude to the centaurs, but not physically hostile.

Caithe couldn’t see the beginning of the conflict, and Faolain told her that the centaurs turned on her.

This was emphasized by the PC reiterating Faolain’s lie – that the centaurs turned on them.

The truth is that Faolain instigated and shot first, but to Caithe – and the PC via Caithe’s eyes only – it was the centaurs who did that.

Caithe could have stayed out, but would you if the person you love was being attacked? If you say yes, you sir or ma’am, are a monster.

And yes, Faolain was obviously abusive – which is an oddity given that all other examples of their relationship is that Faolain only became dark after witnessing the Nightmare. Now, such an event could have been prior to the flashbacks, and is imo most likely in fact, but if so one would expect Faolain to be as she is in Edge of Destiny and Twilight Arbor: cold and emotionless yet seductive. Faolain is demanding and controlling, but not in an outright abusive way, rather more as a user of the Batman Gambit – tricking people into doing what she wants, but playing to their character and expecting them to act as they normally do (example: Sariel has become Faolain’s lover in recent years, and Sariel is madly in love with Faolain; Faolain uses this to enrage Sariel into fighting Caithe during Twilight Arbor, taunting both figures with the winner being worthy of her love, and expecting Sariel to follow through – and fail – with fighting Caithe).

Windsagio.1340:

Verificus.4320:

Trial for what? Slaying beasts? They are centaurs, savages. Faolain wasn’t wrong.

Your RP aside, there’s also Treason vs the pact and arguably Treason vs. the Pale Tree

I don’t see how killing a centaur village is treason versus the Pact.

Unless you’re referring to Caithe taking the egg. Which is only treason against the Pact if she’s trying to help the Elder Dragons – in which case, she’s been corrupted.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Unless you’re referring to Caithe taking the egg. Which is only treason against the Pact if she’s trying to help the Elder Dragons – in which case, she’s been corrupted.

It is in fact referring to the egg, specifically to the part where the Tree is clearly alarmed that Caithe has it and not you. The line is something like “No! You were meant to have it, that’s why I gave -you- the vision!”

So, on trial for stealing the egg? She could have a very good reason, as others have stated. It could sort of be like putting Frodo on trial in Gondor for “stealing” the ring.

misterman.1530:

So, on trial for stealing the egg? She could have a very good reason, as others have stated. It could sort of be like putting Frodo on trial in Gondor for “stealing” the ring.

If Frodo was part of a group that went to retrieve the ring, and then decided to take it for himself and run, then yeah, that would be bad, regardless of intentions behind it. Caithe is not Frodo of the story, but rather playing the part of Boromir.

Astralporing.1957:

misterman.1530:

So, on trial for stealing the egg? She could have a very good reason, as others have stated. It could sort of be like putting Frodo on trial in Gondor for “stealing” the ring.

If Frodo was part of a group that went to retrieve the ring, and then decided to take it for himself and run, then yeah, that would be bad, regardless of intentions behind it. Caithe is not Frodo of the story, but rather playing the part of Boromir.

Maybe the PC is Boromir. Some people have theorized that the PC has been compromised since viewing the Eternal Alchemy.

She should be brought back in chains to explain why she endangered many people by disappearing with the egg (no matter how skilled or justified she thinks she is, she is a single person and was not given the authority to make those choices for the world).

The centaur thing isn’t really actionable imo, but certainly Caithe needs to be punished for running off with a strategically important item without permission.

Frodo was given the authority by a council of the races to make the journey to Modor to destroy the Ring – Caithe certainly was not.

Need to update this thread, we need to add the fact that her not telling even Traehearne (who like him or hate him is probably the most trustworthy and noble dude on the planet) about the ‘big secret’ got the pact fleet destroyed, killed hundreds (if not thousands) of people, and left Tyria’s greatest hero’s MIA and presumed dead.

Windsagio.1340:

Stupid 45 character limit in titles; If you were a writer in the LS2 story, would you push for Caithe to be tried and/or punished for what’s happened?

Both for stealing the egg and for her part in Faolain’s crimes that there is now a prominent, highly respected witness to?

I say skip the trial and go right to the burning at the stake, do Sylvari drown? I think a traditional trial of trying to get a confession out of her with dunking wouldn’t do much.

Yes. I understand her motives, but I disagree with her actions.
Canach got some jail time, and his crimes do not get even close to hers.
I can almost hear him complaining if she gets off, “Oh, I see how it is. A Secondborn must pay for his crimes, but a Firstborn? Unimaginable!”.

I don’t think I would trust anyone who could be corrupted. Who says Trahearne isn’t compromised, is he still himself? Would you go with the egg to the first Pact commander? Uh huh.

Who can you really trust in such a situation. It’s not just a secret that you put out there easily. That would’ve been really irresponsible to her very own race. I pretty much could’ve seen the destruction of the entire sylvari race with that secret out.

FrizzFreston.5290:

I don’t think I would trust anyone who could be corrupted. Who says Trahearne isn’t compromised, is he still himself? Would you go with the egg to the first Pact commander? Uh huh.

Who can you really trust in such a situation. It’s not just a secret that you put out there easily. That would’ve been really irresponsible to her very own race. I pretty much could’ve seen the destruction of the entire sylvari race with that secret out.

Counterpoint using your logic: Who’s to say that given her own guilt and her dalliances with the nightmare she wasn’t corrupted herself and stole the egg / hid vital intel due to Mordremoth’s influence? The most dangerous lies are the ones we tell ourselves.

And if not Traehearne, how about you? If you’re not Sylvari Mordremoth corruption isn’t in question, if you are, given that your specific dream inevitably involves slaying a dragon made out of plant bitds, it seems a safe bet.

Edit: A very strong case can be made that Caithe’s secrecy is more based on her own feelings of guilt as relates to Wynne (although the tree is complicit in hiding that) and less about safety concerns. On that note, there’s no court case for treason against the Sylvari, because the Tree knows and has always known.

Crimes against life and manslaughter would stick better, especially now, given what happened to the pact.

I say we just kill Trahearne and all is good again.

Deim Hunir.8503:

I say we just kill Trahearne and all is good again.

There is literally no good reason to kill or punish Trahearne in any way at the moment. At all. The guy did nothing wrong.