I am currently bearing a full Arah set (level 80, naturally). I am a Asuran and are currently going for a red/black colour scheme.
I went to the TP and bought the Midgnight Fire dye.
The issue I am currently having is that the Midnight Dye shows up as a pure black (as it should) on only certain parts of my armour and brown on others. This is, as far as I am concerned, a bug. Surely these other sections of my armour should reflect the same jet black, mat black that reflects on my other pieces of my level 80 Arah set?
To be honest, it’s bad enough having the Arah headpiece look like a paper bag on my poor little Asurans head!
Picture attached and I look forward to your response.
Midnight Fire is not a black, it is a dark brown. It shows up as black on certain material types, just as you’ll find that many dyes come out in slightly different shades on different parts of armour. I was lucky enough to find the dye and have it show as black on the parts that I wanted, but I consider that a lucky break with a brown dye. It’s all in the name, really: ‘midnight’ signifies a really dark version of a colour, and ‘fire’ suggests more of an orange/red tone.
It sucks when you don’t know this kind of thing before you get/apply a dye, so you have my sympathies, but it’s not a bug. Different dye slots on any armour piece will give somewhat different shades.
As much as I appreciate your response, it would be good to hear from the designers as to why this is. Maybe a 100% answer on if it is working as intended? I just find it rather frustrating and more like a ‘rip off’ for someone wishing to dye their set with an expensive rare!
I doubt an ‘official’ response will be forthcoming, and yes, I do believe it is ‘working as intended’.
When you apply dye to items the colour is changed to reflect the material that the item has been applied to. Metals dye differently to Leather, and both dye differently to Cloth. If you look at the ‘infobox’ on the wiki entry for ‘Midnight Fire Dye’ you will see that subtly different colours are generated depending on what the underlying material of the armour is. See http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Midnight_Fire_Dye and mouse-over the 3 squares in the info box. This will give you the ‘colour code’ in hex format for the colour. It’s format is XX YY ZZ for RGB values and the range is 00 00 00 (black) to FF FF FF (white). As you can see, the different materials (cloth, leather and metal) are dyed a slightly different colour when using the same dye, which is a lot more realistic.
Does it get you what you want, well, probably not.
Is it working as intended, I believe so.
Plus, if you’re concerned about ‘wasting’ your in game coins, you can always preview dyes direct from the TP now.
Thank you for your response. I really appreciate it. I was not aware of the differences intended on different material types. I find this quite bizarre, but can see where you are coming from.
I guess what I still don’t understand is, if there are three entries in the Wiki that state three different colour types as per the three different material types then why is the colour different on all cloth? For example: my headpiece is not metal, nor leather; it’s cloth. As is my bottom half, that is in fact, cloth.
Again, I lay in wait for someone for Anet to just clarify this for us wonderful players.
Maybe it’s intended to show them as different kinds of cloth. Silk reflect light different than cotton, for example.
It’s a pile of Elonian protection magic, mixed with a little monk training,
wrapped up in some crazy ritualist hoo-ha from Cantha.
A real grab bag of ‘you can’t hurt me. They’re called Guardians.
As others have said, Midnight Fire is not a black, it is a dark brown. If you really want “pure black” then you’ll need Abyss dye (the most expensive dye in existence…)
One thing I’ve noticed with various cloth armors and dying them is that despite being all cloth, certain parts will simply always dye lighter and other darker and other more vibrant. What that means is that some armor sets make certain dyes just look terrible while the same dye looks really great on another set. Or even certain parts of the same set.
For example the hall of monuments female light armor. The outside of the skirt will always dye to nice rich colors, and look very nice, but the inside for some reason is supposed to be light I guess, but it really washes out all colors and applying something like midnight fire or midnight fushia just gives a very light washed out version of the color, so you simply can’t have a nice dark color for that part of the skirt no matter how much you want it.
Anyway, I’m sorry that some of your Orrian set is acting the same way. Abyss might even turn out to look grey if that particular part of the armor is just set to being dyed light.
Adding a picture to show what I mean. Notice that the outside of the skirt and the leggins/boots are dyed midnight fire, and the inside of the skirt is Abyss, and it doesn’t look at all black. So before you go buy abyss dye, definitely preview it on your armor to make sure it looks black and not gray.
I must say, it is so nice to be on a forum where you get constructive and re-assuring responses.
Thank you all, I do understand better as to why this is happening now, even if I think it is incredibly frustrating!
It’s definitely frustrating. I have a problem on my heavy armor where the abyss on the metal looks exactly like it should (nice black) in low light, but if it’s daylight and I’m outside, it’s indistinguishable from iron dye or grey. :\
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It’s definitely a problem when you mix and match different armor sets. The colors often won’t be the same. The coat may be darker than the leggings, for example, even though the dye and the materials are the same. Sometimes you can get around it by finding a similar color, lighter or darker, and using that to make it match.
One thing I’ve noticed with various cloth armors and dying them is that despite being all cloth, certain parts will simply always dye lighter and other darker and other more vibrant. What that means is that some armor sets make certain dyes just look terrible while the same dye looks really great on another set. Or even certain parts of the same set.
For example the hall of monuments female light armor. The outside of the skirt will always dye to nice rich colors, and look very nice, but the inside for some reason is supposed to be light I guess, but it really washes out all colors and applying something like midnight fire or midnight fushia just gives a very light washed out version of the color, so you simply can’t have a nice dark color for that part of the skirt no matter how much you want it.
Anyway, I’m sorry that some of your Orrian set is acting the same way. Abyss might even turn out to look grey if that particular part of the armor is just set to being dyed light.
Adding a picture to show what I mean. Notice that the outside of the skirt and the leggins/boots are dyed midnight fire, and the inside of the skirt is Abyss, and it doesn’t look at all black. So before you go buy abyss dye, definitely preview it on your armor to make sure it looks black and not gray.
It’s not only light armor, I’ve noticed the same thing on some heavy armors (at least on the HoM heavy skin set).
It’s a pile of Elonian protection magic, mixed with a little monk training,
wrapped up in some crazy ritualist hoo-ha from Cantha.
A real grab bag of ‘you can’t hurt me. They’re called Guardians.
It’s definitely a problem when you mix and match different armor sets. The colors often won’t be the same. The coat may be darker than the leggings, for example, even though the dye and the materials are the same. Sometimes you can get around it by finding a similar color, lighter or darker, and using that to make it match.
Yes I agree, but the more frustrating thing about it is, this is a full Orion set, it’s not mixed and matched. Which was why, originally, I thought it was a bug
