Endure Pain+Berserker Stance vs. Retaliation?

Endure Pain+Berserker Stance vs. Retaliation?

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Posted by: Elegie.3620

Elegie.3620

Hello,

Tonight, during WvW impacts, I entered into an enemy zerg as a warrior, popping both “Endure Pain” and “Berserker Stance” to make sure that I could dish out damage without taking any.

To my surprise, I lost about half of my HP despite the two buffs being properly activated (running a 3.2k armor build). I tried again, and it happened again. I had no conditions already put on me when I engaged.

So my question is: what is the nature of the damage taken when both “Endure Pain” and “Berserker Stance” are on? Is that retaliation, which I know our opponents were buffed with (it was a GvG-like impact the two times)?

Thanks.

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Posted by: Hayashi.3416

Hayashi.3416

There are two possibilities. One is Retaliation, and the second is Unblockable attacks. I’m not 100% sure on the second, but I think Unblockable pierces even Endure Pain.

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Posted by: Elegie.3620

Elegie.3620

Thanks for your answer. I didn’t receive any attack red figures on the screen (that was the purpose of my entering “god mode” for 4s), which is why I don’t think it was unblockable attacks. I did use the Axe whirlwind, hitting 15 times up to 5 opponents, which lead me to think it was retaliation.

If retaliation is a condition, shouldn’t it be blocked by the Berserker Stance? If it’s not, shouldn’t it be blocked by Endure Pain?

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Posted by: Olba.5376

Olba.5376

Retaliation is not a condition, it’s a boon.

Also, if you want damage immunity in a zerg, your best bet would be Defiant Stance as it makes even retaliation heal you.

The thing is, Endure Pain was never a true invulnerability. It’s always just made you immune to direct physical damage.

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Posted by: Elrey.5472

Elrey.5472

Exactly what Olba said. I tried both in every enemy of the game, since i always play with those 2 skills on and i gotta say that Endure Pain won’t work against some physical Instakill attacks, but Defiant Stance always does.

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Posted by: Elegie.3620

Elegie.3620

Thanks a lot, guys. Somehow I had in mind that there were only two types of damage in the game (condition and physical damage) while there are actually three of them (retaliation damage).

Defiant Stance could be interesting indeed, if the healing given by mates and water field blasts is enough. Gotta try that.

Cheers.