Guild Wars 2

So I heard the fractal dungeon has better gear than exotics. How much better is it? I never thought A-net would force us to grind in a dungeon for the best gear. Maybe I heard wrong though. Can someone explain please?

Mindnumbing grind Fractals for your ascended items then rinse and repeat to grind the matts to Infuse Said items. At least it takes your attention away from the lack of content elsewhere in the game.

I have no clue. I’ve read that there is a % of stat increase, along with agony resistance, which is only needed in fractals.

But the problem appears to be the % to stat increase, however large or small that is perceived to be. This creates an imbalance in WvW where those players feel forced into fractals to remain competitive.

I think I got that right.

I don’t do fractals. Never will. I know this though, as a player, they should offer everything available in a fractal through laurels or other means.

Allow the players to play their way. I won’t be forced into content. I’ll quit first.

Difference between Ascended and Exotic is very small. Sometimes Exotics are actually better because they can hold either Runes or gemstones, while Ascended pieces have a specific gemstone already included in their stats but cannot hold a rune.

I don’t do fractals. Never will. I know this though, as a player, they should offer everything available in a fractal through laurels or other means.

You can already with Laurels. Possibly more ways later on.

You heard wrong.

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Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

You can already with Laurels. Possibly more ways later on.

Oh really? Then my guildie was wrong. I was told only some of the fractal items were available with laurels.

Good news, thanks.

Halanna.3927:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

You can already with Laurels. Possibly more ways later on.

Oh really? Then my guildie was wrong. I was told only some of the fractal items were available with laurels.

Good news, thanks.

Well ofcourse there’s some skins that you can only get in fractals, but that’s no different than other dungeons.

Max-stat stuff isn’t limited to fractals (anymore).

Ascended gear difference from Exotics is negligible in PvP (at least until weapons are released, since damage range has a much more impact on the damage formula) and it can be obtained with Laurels too.
Anet also said we’ll be getting ascended obtainable in WvW too so you’re really not forced to do fractals.

I still believe cimbing up fractal levels does make you better though, so it’s worth doing.

fractals are necessary because they are fun.

farming “halla” is Not fun.

*obtained with Laurels in nine million years because it takes forever to get any single item that way if you don’t like Fractals.

Sil.4560:

*obtained with Laurels in nine million years because it takes forever to get any single item that way if you don’t like Fractals.

I’m not sure what the rush is. I play MMOs for long periods of time. A couple of months in MMO time is nothing to me.

I’m four days away from getting my necklace, and that’s only 20 days after they instituted the daily. Getting one piece of gear a month, assuming I never do level 10 fractals (I’m at 8 now) is fine. I don’t see what the big rush is.

It’s not going to drastically change the game for me. It might not even noticably change it. I’ll be doing all the same things I did after I get it as before I got it.

I just don’t get the whole immediacy thing.

Vayne.8563:

Sil.4560:

*obtained with Laurels in nine million years because it takes forever to get any single item that way if you don’t like Fractals.

I’m not sure what the rush is. I play MMOs for long periods of time. A couple of months in MMO time is nothing to me.

I’m four days away from getting my necklace, and that’s only 20 days after they instituted the daily. Getting one piece of gear a month, assuming I never do level 10 fractals (I’m at 8 now) is fine. I don’t see what the big rush is.

It’s not going to drastically change the game for me. It might not even noticably change it. I’ll be doing all the same things I did after I get it as before I got it.

I just don’t get the whole immediacy thing.

is that because you bought a game without informing what you were buying..

Gw2 was labeled as a no grind mmorpg.
1 month per piece is actually grinding considering you need more than a year to get fully equipped at that rate….

They will possibly fix it someday but for sure for now laurels items are grindy.

Also if you think how much is required to get 2 rings+1 amulet + 3 infusions….its really too much of a grind.

Vayne.8563:

I’m not sure what the rush is. I play MMOs for long periods of time. A couple of months in MMO time is nothing to me.

I’m four days away from getting my necklace, and that’s only 20 days after they instituted the daily. Getting one piece of gear a month, assuming I never do level 10 fractals (I’m at 8 now) is fine. I don’t see what the big rush is.

It’s not going to drastically change the game for me. It might not even noticably change it. I’ll be doing all the same things I did after I get it as before I got it.

I just don’t get the whole immediacy thing.

Oh, no rush, per se, although I will have my ascended laurel amulet the first day it’s actually possible since I haven’t missed a laurel yet. I’ve got the ascended Triforge on one character already.

The problem is that I play more than one character, and I have to draw from the same pool of laurels to outfit them all, whereas people who simply grind Fractals will likely have all of their gear in little time if they keep with the style of pressuring us to play that game mode. If I wanted to outfit all of my Lv80 characters without playing a game mode I don’t like, it would literally take me months and months just to achieve that single tier of gear.

With specific gear combinations available only on ascended items, I simply can’t be arsed to wait that long just to complete those characters’ builds. It doesn’t feel like there’s any reason for it other than for the sake of waiting.

LordByron.8369:

Vayne.8563:

Sil.4560:

*obtained with Laurels in nine million years because it takes forever to get any single item that way if you don’t like Fractals.

I’m not sure what the rush is. I play MMOs for long periods of time. A couple of months in MMO time is nothing to me.

I’m four days away from getting my necklace, and that’s only 20 days after they instituted the daily. Getting one piece of gear a month, assuming I never do level 10 fractals (I’m at 8 now) is fine. I don’t see what the big rush is.

It’s not going to drastically change the game for me. It might not even noticably change it. I’ll be doing all the same things I did after I get it as before I got it.

I just don’t get the whole immediacy thing.

is that because you bought a game without informing what you were buying..

Gw2 was labeled as a no grind mmorpg.
1 month per piece is actually grinding considering you need more than a year to get fully equipped at that rate….

They will possibly fix it someday but for sure for now laurels items are grindy.

Also if you think how much is required to get 2 rings+1 amulet + 3 infusions….its really too much of a grind.

I’m not grinding though. And they never said there’d be no grinding. The grinding talked about in the manifesto, if you bother to actually listen to what’s being said, is talking about combat grind as in killing mobs to level. Don’t believe me. Read the entire paragraph, it’s in the wiki.

There were a couple of quotes in a couple of interviews that said something that you might believe would be no grind, but then there’s another quote that says there’ll be stuff to grind for for people who want to grind for. The only difference is cosmetics.

Now, the difference in the ascended stuff is so unbelievably marginal, certainly at this point, that there is zero reason to grind for it. You may in your heart of hearts believe you must absolutely have BIS gear, but the backpack, the necklace, and the rings, all there is out now, is just too small a difference to make a difference. And as time goes on, you have no idea how hard or easy this stuff will be to get.

People have it in their minds that they have to grind for ascended stuff, but it’s not true. I play every single aspect of this game without a single ascended piece.

It’s not marginal – the percent increase on every single piece of gear will add up to being a flat increase of that amount across the stats you choose.

I’ve got soooo much karma and there’s nothing good to spend it on so I’m just hording it and hoping they make the ascended gear, or other non cosmetic upgrades, available with karma at some point in the future.

Sil.4560:

It’s not marginal – the percent increase on every single piece of gear will add up to being a flat increase of that amount across the stats you choose.

And by the time that stuff is released, how hard will it be to get that stuff? Right now it’s marginal. Unless you have a crystal ball and can predict the future, there’s not much else to say.

Right now, at this moment, it’s marginal. Nothing has been released but what we’ve seen. We know Anet has plans to make stuff available through other means. There may also well be other ways to get laurels in the future.

At this moment, you don’t have to grind and no one knows what the future will hold. For all I know, by the time they introduce the next thing, I’ll have enough days for the necklace and both rings.

Until I see something, I don’t assume it will be. And I certainly don’t state with certainty that you’ll have to grind to play the game. Remember the big crisis when people for saw what was in the cash shop and everyone screamed pay to win. And it never eventuated. It was just people screaming.

The same is going to happen this time. People scream about all sorts of stuff, but a lot of that stuff never happens. Personally, I’d rather take the wait and see approach than make assumptions. Fractals are out what, three months now…and all we have a back piece, a couple of rings and a necklace.

I’m not to worried about it.

How hard will it be? That remains to be seen. I’m mostly looking at the current pattern of how they’ve chosen to implement it and expecting that it will be similar in the future. I do hope that they prove otherwise! As for the stats, however, they’ve already stated that it will be above exotic, so that’s really not a debatable issue. Ascended gear will have superior stats and it is only a matter of time until they completely eclipse exotics.

The thing with the time is, I do play enough to reasonably outfit all of my characters if they were to implement a method that isn’t just reliant on me waiting until the next day. It bugs me right now because, outside of playing a game mode I don’t like, I can’t actually work any harder towards the goal I have. It feels very limiting.

Problem is that dungeon give better stuff than PvP and open world PvE. You need to do dungeons if you want nightmare rune, monk rune or prec, con dmg, toughness dagger or staff for example. Of course ascended items are even bigger problem.

I’ve seen this argument 3 dozen times already. Can we not go over the same crap again?

get a legendary main weapon, get a legendary off-hand weapon, get all the legendary water weapons, /dance.

you know what ever, like all mmo’s once your max level it comes down to finding fun where you can.

I actually kind of like what I’m hearing about how GW1 used to be. Very easy to obtain maximum stats with the long-term achievement stuff being purely cosmetic. It seems to fit more within their philosophy of “have fun now instead of waiting to have fun”. Sure we can all play with “lesser” gear, but for me the best parts of the game have always started once I’m maxed out and ready to pit my completed build against every challenge.

In my opinion, grinding Fractals is absolutely not necessary (I’ve yet to set foot in there) because absolute max-stat gear is not necessary. I freely admit I’m a casual player, but what does one need maxed gear for, precisely? I imagine it might make a bit of a difference in WvW, but in general I have not felt pressed to get even full exotics any time soon.

Maybe I’m just not pro enough to notice the difference, but I hardly think anything’s forcing or obliging me to get Ascended gear.

I don’t see what the problem is with Fractals… its a classic arcade style game in a modern MMO. It ’s random and keeps getting harder and harder until you die. Just like real life.

Rewards should take a while to earn.