Guild Wars 2

So if someone wanted a defensive and offensive acended amulet for each of thier 4 toons they would need 240 laurels. Six months, assuming they do dailies every single day.

I’m very serious and also curious to know if you think this is reasonable and if so, why?

did you ever try and get oddy armor in gw1?
go buy it and have a go

And does your math include monthlies too?

Don’t forget that you can now also get accesoiries for 40 laurels. Until your guild is able to do guild missions.

There is also fotm

It will take you a month to get an ascended amulet, less i think if your guild will do guild missions.

One month of doing dailies for 20 mins per day to get one amulet. I would say yes considering that even if I DID have multiple alts, my MAIN will still be the first one to get it. I call them ALTS because i don’t use them as often as i use my MAIN.

Gearing my other alts in full ascended gear is a long term goal for me. So yeah, if it will keep me playing longer then it’s reasonable.

BTW, i LIKE to play this game LONGER because l LIKE this game. Cheers!

I have multiple characters and would like to be able to gear them all. Unfortunatley, the above calculation is just for 1 peice of gear. It would probably take me years to complete an entire set for multiple characters.

I have played many mmo’s before GW2 and I have never had to grind this much. This is a whole new level of grind. To me, this is completely absurd.

I think it’s very fair.

I don’t NEED these things.. not at all. I play every day anyway, and these are basically rewards for almost nothing. I usually get my daily through the course of game play or possibly with a little extra effort. By doing that and steadily working on my monthly I’m basically getting 1 Ascended item a month for just playing the game.

Fair?

I think so.

Yeah, I’m fine with it. Characters don’t have to have the top gear to be playable, and you don’t have to have all your alts kitted out at the same time. I think it’s good to have rewards to work for over time, as well as more short-term gains.

ascended is a tier between exotic and legendary.
some people have been grinding for 6 months and don’t have their legendary yet.
I would say that 1-1/2 months of something you don’t have to grind (just play normally and you’ll get dailies/monthlies) is between exotic and legendary.
people just complain because there’s no way to shortcut it (such as spending $2,000 on gems and buying a legendary off the TP)

I isn’t the cost I have a problem with, it’s that once we are all geared up in ascended gear they plan to bring another type of gear in with higher stats. They’ve said they won’t do that until 2014, but at the rate they are making ascended items available it will take until 2014 to acquire them all anyway. Then we get to start all over. Yippee

Calae.1738:

I have multiple characters and would like to be able to gear them all. Unfortunatley, the above calculation is just for 1 peice of gear. It would probably take me years to complete an entire set for multiple characters.

I have played many mmo’s before GW2 and I have never had to grind this much. This is a moowhole new level of grind. To me, this is completely absurd.

What MMOs have you been playing that you think this game is a huge grind? I have nearly complete exoic sets for my 3 80s minus the amulet for 2 of them and I dont grind at all. I did a little “event grinding” in Orr until I realized that was super boring. Now I just do dungeons, fractals, and WvW. I only do the parts of the game I find fun and I play maybe a few hours a night but I skip playing some days just bc I dont feel like logging on. Im wondering what you use your in game time for.

You can only wear one amulet at a time, so it’s an investment thing – decide what you’re going for, and pay for that. If you’ve got four characters running high level Fractals, I’ll be surprised (not saying it’s not possible, but surprising). There’s a reason we can’t usually outfit multiple characters in rare, top-of-the-line, max-stat gear – it’s meant to be something that needs working towards, not something everyone just picks up in the course of things.

Besides which, there are only certain accessories available as ascended items at the moment, no armour. If and when armour turns up, we can expect it to be acquired in a different way. Laurels are one way in which this stuff is available, but they were added with laurels after everyone complained that they were being ‘forced’ to run Fractals, weren’t they? So ArenaNet have already started the process of making ascended gear available through multiple sources, to minimise the grind feeling.

MMO. Work in progress. Give it time, and just work toward what you can now and think about what you want later when that rolls around.

I find it stupid that you cannot get the necklaces, earrings, and the weapon skins with tokens, like you can with the rings.

Calae.1738:

I have multiple characters and would like to be able to gear them all. Unfortunatley, the above calculation is just for 1 peice of gear. It would probably take me years to complete an entire set for multiple characters.

I have played many mmo’s before GW2 and I have never had to grind this much. This is a whole new level of grind. To me, this is completely absurd.

What’s absurd is creating a bunch of characters and then complaining that it takes longer to gear them all as opposed to just one.

Especially after you posted this in another thread:

“I have stopped playing this game as a result of the Feb patch. I have concluded that the developers don’t know what they’re doing.”

Shootsfoot.9276:

Calae.1738:

I have multiple characters and would like to be able to gear them all. Unfortunatley, the above calculation is just for 1 peice of gear. It would probably take me years to complete an entire set for multiple characters.

I have played many mmo’s before GW2 and I have never had to grind this much. This is a whole new level of grind. To me, this is completely absurd.

What’s absurd is creating a bunch of characters and then complaining that it takes longer to gear them all as opposed to just one.

Actually, what’s more absurd is creating and playing only one single character in a game with 8 classes, and 5 races.

Sure, I would absolutely recommend trying a bunch of classes and having a bunch of alts. The different professions in this game are great fun. However, that is not the same as wanting to outfit four characters in top-of-the-line ascended gear.

Curuniel.4830:

Sure, I would absolutely recommend trying a bunch of classes and having a bunch of alts. The different professions in this game are great fun. However, that is not the same as wanting to outfit four characters in top-of-the-line ascended gear.

People who take it a little bit more seriously, wants to be able to play those classes to their fullest potential…not half kitten them.

Kurow.6973:

People who take it a little bit more seriously, wants to be able to play those classes to their fullest potential…not half kitten them.

I have played my chars with exotics and ascended, have yet to see a noticiable potential increase.
Having a non-min/max’d build (like 95% of people in the game have) alone is like wearing greens if we were to go that route.
Game is full of shout warriors, dps-wannabe guardians, full glass thieves, and let alone rangers and necros… whether they wear ascended or exotics they’re still far below a fully min/max’d green-geared player on a proper build.

Just pointing out how ironic it is that most people are so obsessed by item stats when their character isn’t using half of its potential due to a poor usage/build.

Shootsfoot.9276:

Calae.1738:

I have multiple characters and would like to be able to gear them all. Unfortunatley, the above calculation is just for 1 peice of gear. It would probably take me years to complete an entire set for multiple characters.

I have played many mmo’s before GW2 and I have never had to grind this much. This is a whole new level of grind. To me, this is completely absurd.

What’s absurd is creating a bunch of characters and then complaining that it takes longer to gear them all as opposed to just one.

He has a point though. If the item is purchased with a currency that is account-based, the item should probably be account-bound, not soulbound.

As I understand it, each of your characters can do a dungeon once per day before diminishing returns kicks in. So whether you have one character or two, it takes the same number of days to outfit one or both with dungeon gear (assuming you have lots of free time).

OTOH, laurels are once per day/month per account. So outfitting two characters with stuff bought with laurels takes twice as long as outfitting one. In fact it’d actually be advantageous to buy a second account and split your two characters between them, which is the sort of thing Anet seems to want to discourage.

And people said WoW was full of entitled people…

This game isn’t very alt-friendly. But that can be said about all MMORPGs (at least the ones I know of).

I have never been huge into alts. All other games I find myself usually either maining a healer or an archer/ranger, and alting with the other one, not really caring. But for some reason I find myself widely addicted to making new characters in leveling in this game. I think I accredited it to all classes being able to do everything, or the fact that there is no healer and the ranger is just baaaaaad.

I feel your pain OP. I’m not a fan of calendar-gating. It doesn’t matter how much you grind, you HAVE to wait to get these items.

I expect there’ll be other ways to get ascended amulets in near future, as happened with the rings (daily fractal chests, pristine relics, now laurels), so I’m not too worried it’ll take that much time to kit out alts.

So just to get this straight…

Everyone with 1 character has to pretty much do the same amount of work if they want to equip that 1 character to its fullest.

Someone with 4 characters has to do 4x the work and there’s supposed to be something wrong with this?

I’d love to only have to pay for 1 oil change as opposed to 1 for each of my cars. That would be wonderful. Let’s apply this logic to everything else in life and then everyone will be equal and happy.

BioFringe.7945:

So just to get this straight…

Everyone with 1 character has to pretty much do the same amount of work if they want to equip that 1 character to its fullest.

Someone with 4 characters has to do 4x the work and there’s supposed to be something wrong with this?

I’d love to only have to pay for 1 oil change as opposed to 1 for each of my cars. That would be wonderful. Let’s apply this logic to everything else in life and then everyone will be equal and happy.

No, it’s not the amount of the work, it’s the time-gating factor. If I played 12 hours a day and you played 1 hour a day, we would both gear one toon equally assuming we did daily and monthly. The extra 11 hours a day I would play don’t help me get ascended earrings or ammy for my other 3 toons.

In your situation, it would be like saying you can only get 1 oil change every 2 months. That might be fine if you have 1 car, but if you drive all 4 equally, you shouldn’t have to go 6 months without an oil change.

Let us not forget that ascended equipment is going to be available from all sorts of content—it isn’t right now because the supporting systems aren’t ready yet. During those 240 days of gasp playing the game and having fun and earning in-game rewards we will see developments where more ascended gear is made available through more mechanisms than are presently allowed.

They wanted it to be in-game at launch, but it wasn’t ready, so they pulled it out. They started giving it to us in Fractals, but people complained, so they eased the restrictions to make it more availble in the short term while working on an ideal long-term solution.

Honestly, exotics are nearly as good as ascended. Feeling compelled to get all ascended gear now means that you are either the type of player that chases top-shelf gear for the sake of chasing top-shelf gear (in which case you’ll just get bored when there is nothing left to chase) or you just want to gripe about the fact that, like every loot acquisition game that has come before, gear progression serves as a gating mechanism to various tiers of content which puts the alt-o-holic at a self-perceived disadvantage relative to the main-centric player by establishing a level playing field.

If you want to flesh out that oil change analogy, the situation is that an oil change is effectively free, but an oil change with synthetic premium oil that will allow your car to go 5% faster it will cost $30. This is blanced by your pay of $1/month. The person that wants 1 car to go 5% faster will be happy that, after 30 days, they have made enough to buy the upgrade that lasts forever—it is not a recurring cost as the oil change analogy implies. The person that wants 4 cars to go 5% faster, and wants the option to use either an on-road or off-road specific oil (2 specs) on-demand for each will not be happy until they have paid the $240 to upgrade them all. If you want 8 times the material value, you need to earn 8 times as much. Yes, income is time-gated because that helps level the playing field between the casual and the hardcore; of course, it is this one specific currency that is gated as it directly affects peak performance. All other equivalent-performance variations are not time gated, they are effort-gated. When you allow the community to diverge you end up with a lot of hostile factions within your playerbase making a lot of varied demands for a lot of varied content that are often contradictory—look at EQ if you want a case study of this.

I think this is why most people with multiple characters have one main/favourite.

You pick one character and make them first priority for gear. Instead of (for example) making sure 5 characters have exotics before you start working on ascended you focus on getting 1 character everything they need, and also use them to do the high-end content which (arguably) needs that gear while you take your time with the others.

Or you might never get the others top-tier gear, if you’re not going to be doing content that needs it and don’t enjoy getting it.

Ethics.4519:

BioFringe.7945:

So just to get this straight…

Everyone with 1 character has to pretty much do the same amount of work if they want to equip that 1 character to its fullest.

Someone with 4 characters has to do 4x the work and there’s supposed to be something wrong with this?

I’d love to only have to pay for 1 oil change as opposed to 1 for each of my cars. That would be wonderful. Let’s apply this logic to everything else in life and then everyone will be equal and happy.

No, it’s not the amount of the work, it’s the time-gating factor. If I played 12 hours a day and you played 1 hour a day, we would both gear one toon equally assuming we did daily and monthly. The extra 11 hours a day I would play don’t help me get ascended earrings or ammy for my other 3 toons.

In your situation, it would be like saying you can only get 1 oil change every 2 months. That might be fine if you have 1 car, but if you drive all 4 equally, you shouldn’t have to go 6 months without an oil change.

And this is exactly what Anet is trying to avoid, having the guy with nothing better to do than play a game all day be more powerful than the casual player.

GW2 is aimed at the casual player. This is the easiest game I have ever played as far as time to max level and time to get outfitted in good gear and able to compete or keep up. I’m rather surprised that people think that one thing in this game may just take some time, is a problem. Why do so many want things now now now?

Ethics.4519:

BioFringe.7945:

So just to get this straight…

Everyone with 1 character has to pretty much do the same amount of work if they want to equip that 1 character to its fullest.

Someone with 4 characters has to do 4x the work and there’s supposed to be something wrong with this?

I’d love to only have to pay for 1 oil change as opposed to 1 for each of my cars. That would be wonderful. Let’s apply this logic to everything else in life and then everyone will be equal and happy.

No, it’s not the amount of the work, it’s the time-gating factor. If I played 12 hours a day and you played 1 hour a day, we would both gear one toon equally assuming we did daily and monthly. The extra 11 hours a day I would play don’t help me get ascended earrings or ammy for my other 3 toons.

In your situation, it would be like saying you can only get 1 oil change every 2 months. That might be fine if you have 1 car, but if you drive all 4 equally, you shouldn’t have to go 6 months without an oil change.

I suppose that my example might not have been the best so it should be elaborated upon (according to how I see it)…

It’s more like being told by your favorite oil change company that they will only do 1 of your cars every 2 months. There’s still other oil changing companies out there that will still do your other cars for you. Sure, they might not be the best at what they do but in the end…it’s just an oil change.

So the choice is ours to make…Wait for your turn at your favorite oil change spot or go with the alternatives.

Having said that, chances are that this will all be moot once they implement more ways to get what you are looking for. It will take some time and patience. Until then, have fun.