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The LFG tool is in no way optimal. Maybe, maybe you can find a skilled meta player on there. More often than not, you will find quasi meta ‘mimic’ players who lack a true understanding of the mechanics they are copy/pasting from a speed clear video. They are selfishly traited to stay alive and often still lack the skill to rotate their DPS and survive an encounter. I’ve found that these poor players are often the loudest and angriest. While I dislike a low DPS comp. as much as the next guy, if you play with a PuG, expect low DPS and expect to carry or solo a few encounters.
Players who do care about their times and optimal setups do not use the LFG tool.
When have we, gamers, let efficiency take priority over having fun whilst playing a game?
When gamers stopped being just ‘Gamers’ who gave a darn about story and just having fun, and became min/max’ing power gamers who ’ain’t got time for dat’ stuff and who sees nothing but the final reward, and to hell with anything in between them and that.
Sure, the ’I’M GOING TO PLAY HOWEVER I WANT!!!’ crowd is quick to scream that litany over and over again, but we can hope that one day they might just realize that not everyone is going to think the same way, and that their freedom to ‘play how they want’ ends where another player freedom begins. (Not going to hold my breath on that though, with the internet community we have on the interwebs these days… :p)
… The human race would never have to worry about be oppressed again.”
I think trolls should have their computers smashed. ’Its all part of the game. U mad bro?’
Dw op, eventully you wont be able to tell the difference between a zerk organised group and a farm bot.
Dw op, eventully you wont be able to tell the difference between a zerk organised group and a farm bot.
If that day comes, shoot me!
I sometimes also start a “lvl 80, experienced” group. If i do, ten mostly because i want to get the money in les then an hour. But otherwise i am happy to have lower level players in my group
When have we, gamers, let efficiency take priority over having fun whilst playing a game?
When gamers stopped being just ‘Gamers’ who gave a darn about story and just having fun, and became min/max’ing power gamers who ’ain’t got time for dat’ stuff and who sees nothing but the final reward, and to hell with anything in between them and that.
Sure, the ’I’M GOING TO PLAY HOWEVER I WANT!!!’ crowd is quick to scream that litany over and over again, but we can hope that one day they might just realize that not everyone is going to think the same way, and that their freedom to ‘play how they want’ ends where another player freedom begins. (Not going to hold my breath on that though, with the internet community we have on the interwebs these days… :p)
the story? oh you mean the meaningless lore in which you, as a player, are not involved in the slightest, is bland, repetitive and uninspired, and thus nobody cares about after “experiencing” for 1 time?
Try to enjoy the artstyle of the game, here let’s shove down The Dreamer and Bitfrost down the throats of all players, let’s shove minipets and silly stuff all over the place, I’m sure people will appreciate that on the artstyle of the game.
The only redeeming factor here is the music, and let me tell you, I hate people who load up their custom playlists and never bother to enjoy the music, because it’s a masterpiece, but once again, you don’t need too much to enjoy it (maybe unlock some areas, for example having to fight CoF bosses to enjoy their epic music)
The rest is strictly gameplay wise and cosmetics, and here comes the necessity to work for something, and hence the so called “power gamers” appear, but in reality those Power Gamers are nothing but average players like you and me.
-“When have we, gamers, let efficiency take priority over having fun whilst playing a game?”
I dont think its just gamers, its people in general. We, all of us, “know” more of the world around us today than we used to, and as we are human beeings, we kinda get stuck on what we dont have rather than what we have.
I’ve been in games where you can pay someone else to lvl your char for you. It is somewhat understandable if its you 13th char, though I wonder whats the point to start a new on in the first place. But I’ve seen people do it with their first one, and thats basically pay to not play, and I dont get it at all.
Still, people are different, so..
In this game, I think the speedclaring is something that a lot of people feel forced to do, because its so much easier to farm gold and buy whatever you need, than go around farming what you need to craft stuff or trusting rng for some lucky drops. The difference in time is HUGE. So, since for a lot of people it isnt fun, but something you “need” to do, lets get it over with as fast as possible.
Instead of zerker/non-zerker, I think a lot could be done if Anet looked more into why people “need” to speedclear, but I could be wrong. Obviously.
But this game is about Anet making money, or support as they like to say, every decision will be related to that.
OP what you don’t understand that optimization IS the fun to many people.
There’s nothing fun about stopping to smell the flowers after the 5th or 6th time; eventually there comes a time when you want to know just how well it can be done, rather than just getting it done.
Anyone play Mario 64 growing up? How long did it take you to get 120 stars? I never did, I couldn’t be bothered with 100 coins per level and et cetera. But how would it make you feel to know the world record 120-star completion is sub-110 minutes? Because I think that’s just awesome. These people aren’t being rewarded because there’s no reward to chase, it’s just fun to do (or watch, the tactics and intricacies for speed clears — Mario or Guild Wars — are pretty interesting).
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OP what you don’t understand that optimization IS the fun to many people.
There’s nothing fun about stopping to smell the flowers after the 5th or 6th time; eventually there comes a time when you want to know just how well it can be done, rather than just getting it done.
Anyone play Mario 64 growing up? How long did it take you to get 120 stars? I never did, I couldn’t be bothered with 100 coins per level and et cetera. But how would it make you feel to know the world record 120-star completion is sub-110 minutes? Because I think that’s just awesome. These people aren’t being rewarded because there’s no reward to chase, it’s just fun to do (or watch, the tactics and intricacies for speed clears — Mario or Guild Wars — are pretty interesting).
Those are some pretty interesting factoids, +1 for bringing up Mario :P
Yet, I understand how optimization is fun to many people and I’ve strived for it many times over several games I’ve played in the past though this particular discussion is more oriented towards PUGs (pick up groups) and people’s attitudes towards newer players. I have 2 guildmates who’ve recently dinged 80 and I grabbed them and used LFG to fix us with group members so we could run a few dungeons and whenever those new 80s showed the lack of awareness they’re supposed to have as they’re doing something for the first time they got torn apart by a spam of angry comments, none of which could be considered constructive criticism or inparting knowledge.
When one strives for optimization or record breaking, it’s a no-brainer that you’ll do it with people you know and likely have been practicing to break said record so while I understand your point about optimization being fun, I doubt that’s what we’re dealing with here.
And for the record, I’m in no way opposed to speedrunning dungeons, after you run them a few times they start feeling like a chore yet having the simple decency to not mistreat/kick the people you’re grouped with, even if you can’t be ARGH’sed to teach them what to do, is something that’s within everyone’s ability to do.