Guild Wars 2

Trying this now, thanks!

Thank you, just what I was looking for, this is very useful!

Very useful thank you !

Ayrilana.1396:

With the roll out of the new check off lists, we now have the ability to know exactly which ones we’re missing. Unfortunately the numbering that Anet uses is different from what Dulfy uses.

The past couple days I ran through all of these on an alt account so I could match up what Anet has with what Dulfy has. Below are the links to her guides and attached are the conversion tables.

You are awesome!

It’s too bad the numbering system is arbitrary and that ANet didn’t bother to use one of the existing maps. (I do hope Dulfy sees your post and updates her content accordingly.)

Thanks for doing this.

Thank you!!! You are AWESOME!!!

I want to thank you for that spreadsheet. I wrote down the badge #s I needed and compared them to Dulfy’s listing which you so kindly provided. Man I am so glad I did that because after several hours, I finally finished the Silverwaste Lost Badges Achievement.

All I have left to do now are the “Go for the Gold” lost badges. The 5 that I am missing are located inside the skrit jumping puzzle and I shall save those for another day.

Your charts were extremely helpful. Thank you again for your hard work.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Just found your post. Thank you so much for this! It’s made things a lot easier.

This is great, thank you very much!

oh this is amazing thanks very much op

I just wanted to say thank you so much this is exactly what I needed! I was missing only two coins and I just didnt know which one they were!

Thank you very much for the chart, it helped me a lot.

I’m super late to the party but… this is extremely helpful, wow. You’re doing god’s work! Thanks a million. Bumping this in case anyone doesn’t know about it.

This is great!

This may look like a necro post, but isn’t — this is refreshing this for players that don’t know to look for it and are trying to reconcile the Dulfy guide with the coin numbers in the Achievement panel. I’m just about to go for the Challenger Cliffs coins and had to rummage via google to find this thread.

Should almost be a sticky, really.

Yes, I’m glad you bumped it; this thread is the only reliable source for matching up the numbers.

I am still baffled that ANet chose not to use Dulfy’s (admittedly arbitrary) numbering system. I am more baffled that Dulfy hasn’t bothered to update her guide. Worst of all, the wiki community seems uninterested in posting the match up numbers on the relevant articles.

The wiki pages for each of those collector achievements were made as early as March 2016 after the achievement changes with the new checklists. The few that I just spot checked appear to be using Anet’s numbering so the pages should be correct.

They could still use images though as text directions don’t really work well for some of the coins/badges.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Yes, I’m glad you bumped it; this thread is the only reliable source for matching up the numbers.

I am still baffled that ANet chose not to use Dulfy’s (admittedly arbitrary) numbering system. I am more baffled that Dulfy hasn’t bothered to update her guide. Worst of all, the wiki community seems uninterested in posting the match up numbers on the relevant articles.

I also agree that bumping this from time to time can end up helping a lot of people who may not have seen this thread before.

As for why the wiki isn’t showing the table, there are a few of reasons (none of which are fully satisfactory).

First, we do rely on our sources to update their own materials. For instance, when Anet changes the localization names for items, we’ll update our interwiki links to the new names, and rely on the other language wikis to do the appropriate moving of articles (with a friendly prompt, as needed).

Second, and related, if Dulfy updates their page, it would then be incumbent upon the wiki to be aware of this and update the wiki pages, something we just won’t have the ability to track.

Third, clutter. Trying to show multiple tables on pages sucks. Adding more information to tables sucks. Referencing numbers which may or may not be relevant to readers has a tendency to distract and confuse rather than inform. It’s not a fun balancing act, nor one that I’m a good judge of. Here’s an extreme case.

All this being said, I have a solution. Toss that image up onto the wiki, and link to it in each of the talk pages:

• Talk:Coin Collector: Challenger Cliffs
• Talk:Coin Collector: Uplands
• Talk:Coin Collector: Prospect Valley

Ayrilana.1396:

The wiki pages for each of those collector achievements were made as early as March 2016 after the achievement changes with the new checklists. The few that I just spot checked appear to be using Anet’s numbering so the pages should be correct.

They could still use images though as text directions don’t really work well for some of the coins/badges.

Just to confirm, the numbers on the wiki’s Lost Coins guides should be entirely correct with Anet’s numbering. I made them after the Anet added numbers originally just for my guildmates to use, but eventually moved them to the main wiki. My apologies on the lack of images on them though, I’ve meant to do so but have been distracted with other things. =(

Doodleplex.3752:

Ayrilana.1396:

The wiki pages for each of those collector achievements were made as early as March 2016 after the achievement changes with the new checklists. The few that I just spot checked appear to be using Anet’s numbering so the pages should be correct.

They could still use images though as text directions don’t really work well for some of the coins/badges.

Just to confirm, the numbers on the wiki’s Lost Coins guides should be entirely correct with Anet’s numbering. I made them after the Anet added numbers originally just for my guildmates to use, but eventually moved them to the main wiki. My apologies on the lack of images on them though, I’ve meant to do so but have been distracted with other things. =(

The problem at this point is that the wiki doesn’t make it easy for someone who started out using Dulfy’s guide and doesn’t yet realize that the numbers don’t match. My purpose in harping on this is to point out that there are actual players who come to the wiki to get clarification on stuff like this — the wiki is the only place where this numbering mismatch is going to get cleared up, because Dulfy’s guides and wiki’s articles are the first thing that pop up in a search.

In short, I’d very much like the wiki to explicitly point out that Dulfy’s guide is out of date. And post the reconciliation offered by Ayrilana.1396 above, so that people can finish their collection.

How that’s done is, I’m sure, best discussed on the wiki. Previous attempts to change this have been shut down, so I’m not willing to invest further time on it. I’ll leave it to the wiki regulars.

• Golden Lost Badge is a tad better than having nothing.
• Lost Badge has nothing
• None of the three Dry Top Coin articles mentions the issue

Here’s a question, has anybody emailed Dulfy and asked her to update her own guides? While unlikely, maybe she has no idea they’re out of date. Either or, seems like her updating her guides is the solution to the problem here, and I can’t imagine if a bunch of people emailed her about fixing her guide that she wouldn’t do it.

Doodleplex.3752:

Here’s a question, has anybody emailed Dulfy and asked her to update her own guides? While unlikely, maybe she has no idea they’re out of date. Either or, seems like her updating her guides is the solution to the problem here, and I can’t imagine if a bunch of people emailed her about fixing her guide that she wouldn’t do it.

I’ve seen people post comments on several issues before. She usually doesn’t comment & (as I mentioned) I haven’t see any changes on her site.

Which is fine: she’s just one person (with some portions of the site produced by a few others). That’s why the wiki is superior, because it’s crowd-sourced and therefore more nimble.

But isn’t it moot in the end? Ever since HoT launched, her site’s numbering system has confused people. (And there are plenty of other older guides, too.) Why not help people to learn that there are two different numbering systems? It just requires a single chart and a brief note on five articles. I confess I’m still at a loss to understand why this isn’t an easy fix.

Yes, I know it’s not the wiki’s fault. But neither is it ANet’s or really Dulfy’s. It’s just an unfortunate accident that her site is super popular and that she isn’t likely to have time to around making corrections, given all the new content she tries to cover. (In the same way that GW2 has tons of old bugs, she also has to prioritize.)

I’ve offered my suggestion: post the reconciliation on the relevant articles. It’s your decision about what to do next.

I imagine she gets tons of comments and probably ignores the bulk of them, hence why I said email instead, I think that might be a better way of getting a hold of her. She has updated a guide before, one of her SAB ones and the SAB guides take whillle to make compared to the others(believe me, I’ve done both guides as well, I know the pain), so it’s not impossible for it to happen, and I think she’d do it if people asked her to. If anything, maybe just ask her to update the Golden Lost Badges since that does have a mastery point tied to it which is why I imagine more people care about that one than the other badges/coin stuff or just ask her to stick the conversion table at the top of her guides, to make it easier for people. Just trying to think of a simpler way of doing things so people don’t have to go back and forth from dulfy’s site to the wiki since that can be even more confusing.

I apologize, Doodle, for not making myself clear. My goal is that people can quickly understand how to complete the achievement when they come to the wiki, whether it’s their first stop or their second after being confused by someone else’s guide.

I realize you do a lot for the wiki and I’m appreciative of that. I don’t ask you to take this on yourself. I just see from the article histories & talk pages that people don’t want the info added to articles; I don’t understand why not.

None of us have control over what happens on Dulfy’s site except Dulfy. She makes money from her site; it’s up to her to decide if reading comments/making corrections is worth doing. Even if Dulfy makes the nearly-unprecedented decision to update her pages, there are still other guides out there using her numbering system, with alternative paths.

Since we do have control over the wiki articles (there are five, not just one), I will always think that is a good place to include a reconciliation. You seem to have some sort of objection to that, so I don’t think there’s anything for us to discuss.

I remain appreciative of your volume of contributions to the wiki; I just can’t agree with how the wiki has decided to handle this situation.

Dulfy had addressed this somewhere and it was along the lines that she is very busy. Understandable considering all that she does.

Found her response:

Issue is I have collected them already so they don’t show up anymore and redoing the whole thing on another account is extremely tedious and not soemthing I have the time for right now.

The youtube video of Dulfy already contains a top comment crosslinking Anets and Dulfy’s numbering.

Here, top comment