Sorry about the thread. Now im playing gw2 on laptop with i7 2670q. But im afraid of playing hours of gw2 and keyboard pressing during the hour might spoil my laptop.
So im planning to setup a “budget” desktop with no discreet gpu. So im thinking on getting
either:
amd a10 6800K/7850K (one high clock and one high end a10) and using its built in gpu.
i3 with intel hd graphic
pentium G with lowend gpu.
Which can run the game a low/mid setting and crowded scene.Note that later i might add a decent gpu depend on how attach i am to gw2.
PS: or Amd fx6350 with it poor radeon HD3000?
Beware that the AMD processors with built in GPUs have problems with reading their temperature sensors for some reason. That means you won’t know if its overheating, and on top of that I’ve read several reviews that say they need water cooling for their automatic turbo boost on the 4GHz and higher models otherwise they just run too hot no matter how good your air cooling is, due to the built-in GPU.
That said the AMD APU is your best option for price. Everything else is going to run the game dog slow even on the lowest settings, even weak discreet cards. That’s because this is a DirectX 9 game that uses shaders exclusively.
That means the game is actually almost entirely CPU dependant, and the framerate that you get in huge zergs is mostly determined by raw processing power.
You can probably run it on half-decent air cooling (e.g Cooler Master Hyper 212) if you disable the automatic turbo boost in system BIOS.
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If you wanna a litle help here goes.
CPU – I3 or I5, – 3.6 or 3.8
Motherboard – Asus motherboard
Drive – HDD 250gb or use the one of you current laptop
Ram – 6 gb minimal cause game uses at least 3.5 with Windows 7
GPU – A 770 GTX
DVD DRIVE – Ifs possible
That way you can play at least 40 a 60 PFS max, of couse in large events, cpu counts and FPS drops. See prices on web or by them in second hand using ebay. that way save money.
Don’t waste your money on some crappy desktop, it’s just going to give you a worse game experience. If you are actually worried about your laptop’s keyboard (which you shouldn’t be), buy a quality mechanical keyboard and call it a day.
If you’re willing to drop the money on a whole new (albeit bad) computer for GW2, you should be able to buy a Ducky or Code keyboard, or maybe a Logitech G710.
You are not going to spoil your laptop. Buy a Samsung EVO 850 Pro SSD to speed up data access and… reduce heat generation compared to a physical disk unit, which means less thermal throttling of your CPU and GPU.
Don’t waste your money on some crappy desktop, it’s just going to give you a worse game experience. If you are actually worried about your laptop’s keyboard (which you shouldn’t be), buy a quality mechanical keyboard and call it a day.
If you’re willing to drop the money on a whole new (albeit bad) computer for GW2, you should be able to buy a Ducky or Code keyboard, or maybe a Logitech G710.
I don’t see how a desktop would give a worse experience, I’ve always played on a desktop and I couldn’t imagine having to play on a laptop.
You can build a desktop PC for under $700 that will crush gw2. Here is an example micro-atx build. The processor is known for being easy to overclock, which will allow you to achieve 4.0 to 4.5 ghz without too much effort, the GTX 750 TI can easily handle the graphics of this game, and with an SSD to reduce load times you’ll have everything you need to run gw2 at high settings for the foreseeable future.
Everyone sort of overlooked the OPs primary point of an inexpensive desktop system with the talk of SSDs and “decent” GPU. “Decent” GPU isn’t an option here.
Okay, if you can swing a GT 740 with GDDR5 memory with a Haswell Pentium G dual core that would be the sweet spot. Even a GT 730 with GDDR5 memory will crush the integrated Intel GPU.
However if you can’t and will never add a discrete video card, I would lean toward the A10-7850K. It will crush the i3 in gaming. The question I can’t answer is whether the lower performing cores of the A10 will bind GW2 as much as the sub par GPU would on an i3.
if u go desktop route, u still need i5 quad cores and ssd hardrive.
What? No you don’t. A desktop with a G3258 and a decent GPU will run this game fine. An SSD would be nice, but it’s hardly necessary.
Exact CPU I listed in my example build. You can’t go wrong with it, and it is considered gold to overclockers. You don’t need more than 2 cores for gw2. I have an i7-5930k (6 cores) and the extra cores make a little to no difference for one client.
Everyone sort of overlooked the OPs primary point of an inexpensive desktop system with the talk of SSDs and “decent” GPU. “Decent” GPU isn’t an option here.
Okay, if you can swing a GT 740 with GDDR5 memory with a Haswell Pentium G dual core that would be the sweet spot. Even a GT 730 with GDDR5 memory will crush the integrated Intel GPU.
However if you can’t and will never add a discrete video card, I would lean toward the A10-7850K. It will crush the i3 in gaming. The question I can’t answer is whether the lower performing cores of the A10 will bind GW2 as much as the sub par GPU would on an i3.
I’d say we presented some good options with high performance to price ratios. A 1 TB HDD is $50 and if you don’t need a lot of media space you can get a 180-240 GB SSD that will run circles around the HDD for ~$50 more. My example build is $613 which is cheap if you think about the performance that can be squeezed out of overclocking that CPU.
Don’t waste your money on some crappy desktop, it’s just going to give you a worse game experience. If you are actually worried about your laptop’s keyboard (which you shouldn’t be), buy a quality mechanical keyboard and call it a day.
If you’re willing to drop the money on a whole new (albeit bad) computer for GW2, you should be able to buy a Ducky or Code keyboard, or maybe a Logitech G710.
Laptop gaming is inferior to desktop gaming and always will be. OP if you want real good advice get a good mainboard and an Intel CPU good one dont get one with a APU. Use a real Video card……Get a Good Graphics card. Get like atleast 8gb or Ram. SSD doesnt matter.
I don’t understand why anyone would not want a real graphics card if they are going to be gaming. I understand APU or integrated graphics get the job done but its not ever going to be as good as a real gfx card.
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You can build a desktop PC for under $700 that will crush gw2. Here is an example micro-atx build. The processor is known for being easy to overclock, which will allow you to achieve 4.0 to 4.5 ghz without too much effort, the GTX 750 TI can easily handle the graphics of this game, and with an SSD to reduce load times you’ll have everything you need to run gw2 at high settings for the foreseeable future.
That H55i is a waste of money, go for a 212 Evo instead. That power supply is way too expensive for that build and that GPU is hella overpriced. 0/10 would not recommend that build in the slightest, you’re not getting nearly as much as you can for your money.
I don’t understand why anyone would not want a real graphics card if they are going to be gaming. I understand APU or integrated graphics get the job done but its not ever going to be as good as a real gfx card.
Because he’s trying to save money. Any computer he’s going to build without a GPU is going to be inferior to his laptop, so it’s pretty much just a waste of money and he’s better off getting peripherals for his laptop since he’s worried about breaking it.
Just get a laptop cooling pad to place it on, limit ingame fps to 60 (keeps the GPU running alot cooler) and use an external keyboard, mouse and screen. It cant be any worse than that horrid desktop people are suggesting.
As long as your laptop isnt a HP, Dell or Lenovo its no problem (HP in particular, I dont think they know how heat transfer physics even works). If it is, I understand your desire for a desktop.
Just get a laptop cooling pad to place it on, limit ingame fps to 60 (keeps the GPU running alot cooler) and use an external keyboard, mouse and screen. It cant be any worse than that horrid desktop people are suggesting.
As long as your laptop isnt a HP, Dell or Lenovo its no problem (HP in particular, I dont think they know how heat transfer physics even works). If it is, I understand your desire for a desktop.
This. I have a pretty expensive gaming laptop, more powerful than razer blade pro, just as thin, and it get hot as kitten. You pretty much have to play over a cooling pad with these new slim ultrabooks. I have a desktop with an i5 and an hd7850 2gb, but this laptop blows it out of the water. Cooling pads run about $20, and most of them do the trick.
if u go desktop route, u still need i5 quad cores and ssd hardrive.
What? No you don’t. A desktop with a G3258 and a decent GPU will run this game fine. An SSD would be nice, but it’s hardly necessary.
i kinda like your point. ok..ive google around after the 2nd reply about “cpu intensive” and amd a10 look like a no go(luckily i ask here, since im leaning toward amd)
if g3258+750ti is suffice to achieve playable at 1366X768 monitor,i surely go this route. Now hunting for a Used i5 2400-2500 and manage to contact one seller. Hope it goes smooth.
Get a baseline CPU, invest the cash you save in a good video card.
I have an I3 3.2 ghz thats 2 years old. 2 cores, 2 simulated cores, however that’s supposed to work. Until a few months ago I had never found a game that bottlenecks at the CPU; the video always hits first. Then I discovered Kerbal Space Program; apparently, de-orbiting a 2000 part space station with real-time simulated atmospheric physics applied to each part was a bit much for my poor i3.
An i5 would be nice for outlier things like that, but an i7 or something is a complete waste. An i3 will do the job seamlessly for 90% of games.
For normal games though, it’s all about the GPU. Budget on the CPU, splurge on the GPU, you’ll get better performance.
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For normal games though, it’s all about the GPU. Budget on the CPU, splurge on the GPU, you’ll get better performance.
You really don’t want to skimp on the CPU, though. A good CPU will last longer then a good GPU, so you’re much better off getting a decent i5 and spending less on your GPU for now, and upgrading the GPU later if need be- a new GPU is much cheaper then a CPU+mobo, anyways.
I’ve only had my computer for 2 years and I’m already looking at getting an i5-6600k+mobo when they’re available. If I had an i5-3570k instead, I would be set.
For normal games though, it’s all about the GPU. Budget on the CPU, splurge on the GPU, you’ll get better performance.
You really don’t want to skimp on the CPU, though. A good CPU will last longer then a good GPU, so you’re much better off getting a decent i5 and spending less on your GPU for now, and upgrading the GPU later if need be- a new GPU is much cheaper then a CPU+mobo, anyways.
I’ve only had my computer for 2 years and I’m already looking at getting an i5-6600k+mobo when they’re available. If I had an i5-3570k instead, I would be set.
This is true. If I was building the same rig today, I’d get an i5. The next generation of games coming out will need it.
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Depending on when you are looking at getting this system I would say the next series of AMD APUs, the Carrizo, would be a good option. They launch in China in the next month or so, then US/Internation a month later. The A10 will have R5 250 GPU and a core clock of up to 4.0Ghz. Supposedly it will also support multi-threading (though I may be confusing this part with the Zen chip coming next year).
You can build a desktop PC for under $700 that will crush gw2. Here is an example micro-atx build. The processor is known for being easy to overclock, which will allow you to achieve 4.0 to 4.5 ghz without too much effort, the GTX 750 TI can easily handle the graphics of this game, and with an SSD to reduce load times you’ll have everything you need to run gw2 at high settings for the foreseeable future.
That H55i is a waste of money, go for a 212 Evo instead. That power supply is way too expensive for that build and that GPU is hella overpriced. 0/10 would not recommend that build in the slightest, you’re not getting nearly as much as you can for your money.
I don’t understand why anyone would not want a real graphics card if they are going to be gaming. I understand APU or integrated graphics get the job done but its not ever going to be as good as a real gfx card.
Because he’s trying to save money. Any computer he’s going to build without a GPU is going to be inferior to his laptop, so it’s pretty much just a waste of money and he’s better off getting peripherals for his laptop since he’s worried about breaking it.
You forgot to include the CPU cooler in the build and saved him maybe $15-20 after that. All you’ve gotten him instead is a more expensive quad core that won’t help much with gw2 considering most of its performance is bound up in a single thread, at that point being able to OC the core it is running on brings a greater performance increase than two extra cores, imo.
All you’ve gotten him instead is a more expensive quad core that won’t help much with gw2 considering most of its performance is bound up in a single thread, at that point being able to OC the core it is running on brings a greater performance increase than two extra cores, imo.
It’s a slightly more powerful per core CPU, and GW2 likes having 3 cores. The i5 is the better choice all day long. I also got him a significantly more powerful GPU and I saved a great deal of money by not throwing it away on a grossly overpriced 450W PSU.
In any case, your build was ok, but if you’re getting a 750ti+G3258 it should only be in the $400 or less range these days (Or you should just get a 270x+G3258 but that’s another discussion). Your choices inflated the price of the build far above what it really should have been ($140 750ti? Really?).
All you’ve gotten him instead is a more expensive quad core that won’t help much with gw2 considering most of its performance is bound up in a single thread, at that point being able to OC the core it is running on brings a greater performance increase than two extra cores, imo.
It’s a slightly more powerful per core CPU, and GW2 likes having 3 cores. The i5 is the better choice all day long. I also got him a significantly more powerful GPU and I saved a great deal of money by not throwing it away on a grossly overpriced 450W PSU.
In any case, your build was ok, but if you’re getting a 750ti+G3258 it should only be in the $400 or less range these days (Or you should just get a 270x+G3258 but that’s another discussion). Your choices inflated the price of the build far above what it really should have been ($140 750ti? Really?).
If the retailers partpicker is grabbing prices from are overpriced then just sub is what you would pay for a 750ti. Problem solved, also I would much rather have a SDD as it makes a huge difference in load times. Some of the other stuff is a little superfluous, but I made the build with a little personal style, hence the case being more costly, and imo easier to customize.
There’s personal style and then there’s throwing away $100 on completely unnecessary stuff. Your build didn’t even have an SSD, though, and fitting it in would add to the price quite a bit. For what your setup was costing, though, proper allocation of money would easily allow someone to fit an SSD into the budget.
There’s personal style and then there’s throwing away $100 on completely unnecessary stuff. Your build didn’t even have an SSD, though, and fitting it in would add to the price quite a bit. For what your setup was costing, though, proper allocation of money would easily allow someone to fit an SSD into the budget.
Guess, I linked the wrong build. Original one had an SSD. Oh well. I also don’t find paying a little extra for a modular supply to be a bad choice and I’ve never had a corsair brand psu go bad on me. If you want to go dirt cheap you could use a cardboard box for a case too…
Where do you find that gw2 likes 3 cores, for playing gw2 I’d rather have a higher clock speed than an extra core, but maybe there is more info on that?
I also don’t find paying a little extra for a modular supply to be a bad choice and I’ve never had a corsair brand psu go bad on me.
It wasn’t “a little extra”, it was $60 more (over 300% the price of what was necessary). I also happily recommend Corsair PSUs, especially the CX430 which goes on sale for $20-25 all the time. The one you picked was just not a great choice.
Where do you find that gw2 likes 3 cores, for playing gw2 I’d rather have a higher clock speed than an extra core, but maybe there is more info on that?
All of the extra threads the game runs (besides the one main one) like to have the extra cores. I’m not sure how much of a difference it will make, but overall the i5 is a way better choice then a Pentium, especially if the TC ever wants to play other games.
I don’t consider a modular supply no reason, but I see what you are getting at. It would be interesting to see some benchmarks on the pentium at 4.5 ghz vs the i3. Maybe gw2 is less bound to a single thread than I am thinking.
A highly clocked Pentium should beat an i3 but against a 3.7 GHz 4690 I’d say it’ll basically be a wash for GW2. The i5 will just be better for multitasking/other games.
Yes, for multitasking and games with better mutithreading support, I agree and I would definitely get more cores. My workstation is overkill for gw2, but is invaluable for the ability to multitask demanding programs. When I get to work from home the day I go back to my company provided machine makes me want to cry.
If the primary concern is gw2 and web browsing though, a pentium is fine.
