Guild Wars 2

After seeing the after math of the recent changes I want to rank builds based off of strength with honesty.

Rank 1 Revenant.
-By far the strongest build I have seen is on this class.

Rank 2 Scrapper.
-I have seen some near immortal scrappers when they rotate correctly

Rank 3 Guardian
-The burn stacking with traps is allot of damage an unrelenting assault even if they cant out-sustain you. You better kill them quickly or they will kill you quick enough on any build.

Rank 4 Mesmer
-Cant hit the current chrono/condi and their condition stream never ends. It can be defeated but if the user is actually skilled its probably not guna die while you die eventually. The shatters never end.

Rank 5 Druid
-They are immortal if played correctly especially verses condition builds if they bring clear. Their pets do damage they do damage. They can be defended agaist but if you dont bring enough defense they will surely kill you and it sure is hard to kill them.

I know many of you see the top 5 and wonder where is warrior. I want to clarify the classes classes unmentioned and warrior Necromancer and elementalist fall the in bottom of the tier while thief really depends on the user but is definitely not easy to break for the top 5.

Warrior… Warrior is in a league of its own. I have seen warriors so bad that they cant do anything but warriors so good that they seem immortal and deal tons of damage and condition damage. I want to rank them unknown because I have no Idea how much better the warriors I’ve seen can get. They seem to get better every time I rematch them or observe the amount of classes good warriors can take down.

Again this is for 1 vs 1 (For those who like to duel)

Edit: I haven’t given warrior the spot light it deserved because of lack of information. now that I know more about current warrior I still don’t have a good spot to put them in. The reason is because they are very situational. They are immortal. Literally unkillable verses power specs. But they are hard countered by condition builds. Given their ability to be OP or UP depending on the situation I cannot put them in the top 5 despite their ability to take down a few of those in the top 5.

I’m curious as to which build you’re referring to that puts Rev at #1, because Power Rev got nerfed into the ground on damage and condi rev has basically no sustain compared to Power Rev.

Yes, a full-zerker PvE build with sword/axe is incredibly damaging without being nearly as squishy as a full-zerker PvE build with ele or thief (the only 2 classes to out-dps it), but they have a pretty worthless heal for pvp dueling, no ability to cleanse damaging condi (movement only), and can’t catch a druid/mesmer/thief unless the opponent seriously gets outplayed.

If you’re seeing bad warriors, that’s because they’re played extremely poorly. Current macebow condi build is VERY easy to play decently and somewhat easy to play very well, is a CC spamming machine with excellent self-heals and frequent resist/cleanse, and does decent damage. They are very definitely #1 on lethality vs. pretty much anyone else 1v1 and are probably the second easiest class to get good on. Very low skill floor, very high skill ceiling, very gentle learning curve.

Lucred.1802:

I’m curious as to which build you’re referring to that puts Rev at #1, because Power Rev got nerfed into the ground on damage and condi rev has basically no sustain compared to Power Rev.

Yes, a full-zerker PvE build with sword/axe is incredibly damaging without being nearly as squishy as a full-zerker PvE build with ele or thief (the only 2 classes to out-dps it), but they have a pretty worthless heal for pvp dueling, no ability to cleanse damaging condi (movement only), and can’t catch a druid/mesmer/thief unless the opponent seriously gets outplayed.

If you’re seeing bad warriors, that’s because they’re played extremely poorly. Current macebow condi build is VERY easy to play decently and somewhat easy to play very well, is a CC spamming machine with excellent self-heals and frequent resist/cleanse, and does decent damage. They are very definitely #1 on lethality vs. pretty much anyone else 1v1 and are probably the second easiest class to get good on. Very low skill floor, very high skill ceiling, very gentle learning curve.

Yes That is why I placed warrior in unknown as they dont have enough good players playing well enough to have an op average. But the few who are good are extremely hard to face. As for revenant, I realize that in group pvp they are weak. However, this is a 1 vs 1 post and they have plenty of defenses to last in a 1 vs 1 situation. Their damage seems nerfed because in group fights it gets spread out. However, the damage goes up when single target focusing happens. Lastly, Revenant like warrior is hard to play but again like warrior the good revenants I have seen rarely lose a 1 vs 1 and if they do they win eventually. I really put them up there because of how fast they can drop a players hp. It is incredible the burst revenants have even after the “nerf”.

Guardian #3? I’m surprised

mrauls.6519:

Guardian #3? I’m surprised

I didn’t think they would make it but after seeing some DH lasting a decent amount of time in 3 vs 1 while 1 shotting newbies who walk over their traps I realized I had to put them there. They also have enough damage to take down chronomancers currently 1 vs 1. I honestly like their spot right now for 1 vs 1.

Zelulose.8695:

Lucred.1802:

I’m curious as to which build you’re referring to that puts Rev at #1, because Power Rev got nerfed into the ground on damage and condi rev has basically no sustain compared to Power Rev.

Yes, a full-zerker PvE build with sword/axe is incredibly damaging without being nearly as squishy as a full-zerker PvE build with ele or thief (the only 2 classes to out-dps it), but they have a pretty worthless heal for pvp dueling, no ability to cleanse damaging condi (movement only), and can’t catch a druid/mesmer/thief unless the opponent seriously gets outplayed.

If you’re seeing bad warriors, that’s because they’re played extremely poorly. Current macebow condi build is VERY easy to play decently and somewhat easy to play very well, is a CC spamming machine with excellent self-heals and frequent resist/cleanse, and does decent damage. They are very definitely #1 on lethality vs. pretty much anyone else 1v1 and are probably the second easiest class to get good on. Very low skill floor, very high skill ceiling, very gentle learning curve.

Yes That is why I placed warrior in unknown as they dont have enough good players playing well enough to have an op average. But the few who are good are extremely hard to face. As for revenant, I realize that in group pvp they are weak. However, this is a 1 vs 1 post and they have plenty of defenses to last in a 1 vs 1 situation. Their damage seems nerfed because in group fights it gets spread out. However, the damage goes up when single target focusing happens. Lastly, Revenant like warrior is hard to play but again like warrior the good revenants I have seen rarely lose a 1 vs 1 and if they do they win eventually. I really put them up there because of how fast they can drop a players hp. It is incredible the burst revenants have even after the “nerf”.

Actually, Precision Strike when in PvP (or anywhere else gear is “normalized”) got a pretty hard nerf because of how they changed the mechanics to scale better with gear and how they added an extra second to the cooldown in PvP. Considering that ESPECIALLY in 1v1 that was 80% of our outgoing damage Power Herald is dead as hell. I main a Rev and Precision Strike went from 7-8k outgoing damage if all projectiles hit to 2-3k outgoing damage, over a 50% nerf ON TOP of the increased cooldown. This is going to force Revs to swap to Condi for PvP, which has less sustain and screws with the overall meta even more (leaves seriously only 1 class whose “best” spec is power—scrapper with power hammer).

Also, I see FAR FAR FAR more terrible ele’s and druids than I see warriors, though I do see a few warriors trying to use a PvE greatsword build in unranked occasionally (they’re still dangerous, they just don’t have the sustain of a pvp build).

This is a 1 vs 1 tier list for those who want to find a superior class to master for dueling. I know revenant has issues in pvp but in a 1 vs 1 they are arguably very strong. This is why I don’t compare them to pvp 5 vs 5 geared classes like ele and druid for this thread. Sorry for the misunderstanding. This is also not calling out any class as op. Just highlighting a good class to learn to play for 1 vs 1.

Wait, how does 1 guardian ripping “newbs” put it at number 3, hah? Do you even know the build?

I still disagree with the assessment that Rev is #1. They are strong in 1v1, yes, but they’re definitely behind warrior and scrapper.

1v1?
This is pointless. 1v1 is so much dependent on the actual matchup rather than skill.

You do know power rev is hard countered by condi mesmer right?

Dr Patrik.3642:

You do know power rev is hard countered by condi mesmer right?

Depends on the Rev. Depends on the condition mesmer. I say two skilled ones go at it pretty evenly.

If you say condi chrono is stronger it may be true your voice counts as well as many other players. I may edit the list and post again based on changes in player’s ability to deal with certain builds.