Guild Wars 2

Now, I realise many people would think it is my fault for this, and that I’m blaming all of my soloQs (partially true), but PvP is a team game. Everyone needs to contribute. One person is not likely to be able to carry a whole team, but one person not doing anything easily dooms the team. I don’t know if it is MMR, because outside of ranked season I only really do dueling and roaming in wvw, but it seems that either my team is a lot less skilled then the other team, or my teamis more skilled. I have only had 10 close/balanced matches, besides that it is either my team destroying, or being destroyed. The chances just are that my teams always tend to be more unlucky. I’m not surprised people have already hit diamond because of how lopsided thing are. I’m just saying, just because it you lose all the time doesn’t mean you are bad. This is a team game. If Lebron James was the only skilled player on the Cavs they still wouldn’t do well, because there is more to just having one decent player. I generally win 1v1s, I rotate quite well, even though sometimes my decisions aren’t the best, I often find myself bossing teams around because they don’t know where to go.
Thinking you are good solely because you win most matches is like a white kid thinking he is black because he can dab.
Thinking someone is bad because they lose many matches is like calling someone unfortunate undeducated person stupid because they can’t afford school.
Now, this is not to say that it is automatically not your fault for losing, you should always try to improve yourself
I might add screenies of my last season and proof.

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.

This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.

They had 50/50% but people were complaining experienced players didn’t get their expected div fast enough so they changed.

RedZebra.2345:

They had 50/50% but people were complaining experienced players didn’t get their expected div fast enough so they changed.

it wasn’t 50%/50% lol they used old 50% w/l algo which is completely different thing

s1 ?
s2 they adapted to aggressively
s3 40/60%

Its 50/50 this season as MM try to get all 10 player of same skill.

so we’re back to 50/50 matches ?
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Posted by: Evan Lesh
Deimos Tel Arin.7391:
season 3 we get both
i.e.
red – blue
8 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8
something like that maybe.
otherwise, one team gonna have slightly higher overall MMR.
Season 1 would have been closer:
6 – 7
6 – 5
5 – 5
5 – 4
4 – 4
Your season 2 example is accurate, though could be closer in some circumstances.
Season 3 will be like a sorted version of season 1:
4 – 5
4 – 5
4 – 6
5 – 6
5 – 7
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Cynz.9437:

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.

This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.

If that is truth it makes sense, A matched to a lesser group B, then B matched lesser group called C, and C to D, every one wins at the end, and everyone will continue to play, also might atrack more skrits, i ment pve players to pvp.

Aeolus.3615:

Cynz.9437:

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.

This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.

If that is truth it makes sense, A matched to a lesser group B, then B matched lesser group called C, and C to D, every one wins at the end, and everyone will continue to play, also might atrack more skrits, i ment pve players to pvp.

Good on paper but in reality you have lower division players being a fodder and having insane loss streaks (check other threads). If anything “the skritts” would rather never touch pvp ever again after such experience.

As stated in other post one problem can be new players are to high rated. Playing on main or second account should be the same on average. Still and also in my experience on a second account you got a much better winrate, meaning old players carry to much their history in this matchmaking.

RedZebra.2345:

As stated in other post one problem can be new players are to high rated. Playing on main or second account should be the same on average. Still and also in my experience on a second account you got a much better winrate, meaning old players carry to much their history in this matchmaking.

and that is why we need MMR reset each season which was promised before xpac came out but never happend

Even though they say it’s 50/50. Most of my matches are still one-sided. so /shrug

gin.7158:

Even though they say it’s 50/50. Most of my matches are still one-sided. so /shrug

They didn’t say that it’s 50/50.

Varezenem.2813:

gin.7158:

Even though they say it’s 50/50. Most of my matches are still one-sided. so /shrug

They didn’t say that it’s 50/50.

They did say it,

S3 model from Anet:

red – blue
8 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8

MM try to let red and blue team have same skill lvl and a fair MM will be 50/50 for averages player in the long run.

Killface.1896:

Varezenem.2813:

gin.7158:

Even though they say it’s 50/50. Most of my matches are still one-sided. so /shrug

They didn’t say that it’s 50/50.

They did say it,

S3 model from Anet:

red – blue
8 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8

MM try to let red and blue team have same skill lvl and a fair MM will be 50/50 for averages player in the long run.

LOL this is not what they said, why are you lying? See quote from Evan above.

Killface.1896:

Varezenem.2813:

gin.7158:

Even though they say it’s 50/50. Most of my matches are still one-sided. so /shrug

They didn’t say that it’s 50/50.

They did say it,

S3 model from Anet:

red – blue
8 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8
8 – 9
9 – 8

MM try to let red and blue team have same skill lvl and a fair MM will be 50/50 for averages player in the long run.

You need to read the original topic again…

Cynz.9437:

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. T

this is not what they admitted.

They said, and it’s true by empirical evidence, that you are matched against any team within a certain range of pips in your division. that team can be better a lot better, similar or worse than yours. You don’t know, and the only way to know is by winning (or losing) the match.

it’s the fairest possible method: if you are better than your division, you advance. If you are not, you get stuck.

The only hard part is actually measuring how good a player is and finding teammates with similar skill. but it holds true for season 1, 2 and 3.

Aenesthesia.1697:

Cynz.9437:

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. T

this is not what they admitted.

They said, and it’s true by empirical evidence, that you are matched against any team within a certain range of pips in your division. that team can be better a lot better, similar or worse than yours. You don’t know, and the only way to know is by winning (or losing) the match.

it’s the fairest possible method: if you are better than your division, you advance. If you are not, you get stuck.

The only hard part is actually measuring how good a player is and finding teammates with similar skill. but it holds true for season 1, 2 and 3.

That’s closer to S2.
S3 they attempt to get a roster close to your MMR like in S1 but unlike S1 in S3 the better players are on the same side.

Season 1:

8 – 7
7 – 8
8 – 7
7 – 8
8 – 7

Season 2:

2 – 7
3 – 8
2 – 7
3 – 8
2 – 7

Season 3:

7 – 8
7 – 8
7 – 8
7 – 8
7 – 8

Yeah, this whole season has been a kitten throwing fest. the MM is a complete wreck but they could save themselves a TON of trouble If they merely added in 2v2/3v3 arena style leagues. Honestly, It’s miles easier to balance. And much easier for people to do with friends.

I’m with ya OP, It’s been completely awful so far. I’m on the final like four pints to ruby but find myself losing a good three or four games before winning one. It’s merely the MM, It has nothing to do with personal skill. Having all the skilled players stacked on one team. Good example was yesterday I played a game and the enemy team had TWO partly premades put together. I knew they didn’t queue together cause I talked to one of them afterwards.

Honestly though, It’s poor design like this that makes me not even want to bother in pvp. I’ve basicly decided I’m going to do the 3 rounds a day and that’s it. I’ve already gotten the fractal legendary, so I’ll just take my time for this one.

Cynz.9437:

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.

This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.

I find it hilarious that you think a system where games are truly 50/50 is realistic. If you flip a coin 630 times do you really think it’s gonna 315 heads and 315 tails exactly? Heck no, there is a variation in everything.

Shovel Face.4512:

Cynz.9437:

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.

This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.

I find it hilarious that you think a system where games are truly 50/50 is realistic. If you flip a coin 630 times do you really think it’s gonna 315 heads and 315 tails exactly? Heck no, there is a variation in everything.

You have a better shot at 50/50 if there’s only two sides. Anet basically throws two coins, one with heads and tails, the other with two heads. Anet is literally stacking teams by design every game. 50/50 does not exist in the current iteration of matchmaking.

Timiok.1048:

Now, I realise many people would think it is my fault for this, and that I’m blaming all of my soloQs (partially true), but PvP is a team game. Everyone needs to contribute. One person is not likely to be able to carry a whole team, but one person not doing anything easily dooms the team. I don’t know if it is MMR, because outside of ranked season I only really do dueling and roaming in wvw, but it seems that either my team is a lot less skilled then the other team, or my teamis more skilled. I have only had 10 close/balanced matches, besides that it is either my team destroying, or being destroyed. The chances just are that my teams always tend to be more unlucky. I’m not surprised people have already hit diamond because of how lopsided thing are. I’m just saying, just because it you lose all the time doesn’t mean you are bad. This is a team game. If Lebron James was the only skilled player on the Cavs they still wouldn’t do well, because there is more to just having one decent player. I generally win 1v1s, I rotate quite well, even though sometimes my decisions aren’t the best, I often find myself bossing teams around because they don’t know where to go.
Thinking you are good solely because you win most matches is like a white kid thinking he is black because he can dab.
Thinking someone is bad because they lose many matches is like calling someone unfortunate undeducated person stupid because they can’t afford school.
Now, this is not to say that it is automatically not your fault for losing, you should always try to improve yourself
I might add screenies of my last season and proof.

Lmao at your analogies bro. It says a lot about you. Anyway what gives you the impression that someone has to carry a game for you to win? If you go into every match with that mindset I am not surprised you are losing. So go ahead and complain and cry that your teammates arnt good. You’ll just be added to the ever growing list of people who complain every season for a MM system that never existed in the first place.

bLind.6278:

Shovel Face.4512:

Cynz.9437:

They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.

This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.

I find it hilarious that you think a system where games are truly 50/50 is realistic. If you flip a coin 630 times do you really think it’s gonna 315 heads and 315 tails exactly? Heck no, there is a variation in everything.

You have a better shot at 50/50 if there’s only two sides. Anet basically throws two coins, one with heads and tails, the other with two heads. Anet is literally stacking teams by design every game. 50/50 does not exist in the current iteration of matchmaking.

A better example is dice. Thought season 3 is slightly better than season 2, the game STILL stacks the better team against the worse team in terms of MMR. Anet DID say this is a fusion of season 1 and 2.

It’s like this. For the matchmaking, Anet rolls the dice for two teams. One team gets to roll standard dice(1-6), the other team gets dice painted with all sixes!

MMR doesnt work. same as you. Im far from 100matches but started in Sapphire as well (made to diamonds in S1&S2 easily. Just dont have enough time for more matches (now Im on 25matches but still in S3 MMR is worst for me 100%).
Literally got players from Emerald or players teamed up from amber or Im the only one sapphire among rubbies oponents. I know how the pvp works since I only PVP, I know how to rotate and how to win 1v1 but with teams Ive got now its not possible. Im far from being pro league materiál but Im also experienced enough to know its not me who ruins literally all games.
really MMR doesnt work now. The only way I see is teaming up with someone and coordinate matches.
This time its really not L2P issue. its real joke this season or Im ultra doomed or Ive become ultra terrible compared to S1&S2…..