As a condition ranger (sword+buffed torch/ short bow), I much rather fighting turret engi than fighting a pro celestial ele, which is ridiculously strong and survivable.
Turrets are annoying, but they’re just that. The engi is fairly useless away from them, assuming he’s traited into turrets, so let him sit on point and go outnumber the rest of his team elsewhere, or send a good ranged or condi class to kill him. There are a lot more glaring issues in the current meta, and turret engi isn’t even in the discussion (or the meta, and for good reason).
As a condition ranger, I much rather fighting turret engi than fighting a pro celestial ele, which is ridiculously strong and survivable.
So true. I was playing turret engi last night and 1v1ing a condi ranger was brutal. I had to spend most of my time trying to avoid line of sight while holding the cap. How fast you can stack that bleed is insane. Although I will admit I was not using the melandru runes.
As a condition ranger, I much rather fighting turret engi than fighting a pro celestial ele, which is ridiculously strong and survivable.
So true. I was playing turret engi last night and 1v1ing a condi ranger was brutal. I had to spend most of my time trying to avoid line of sight while holding the cap. How fast you can stack that bleed is insane. Although I will admit I was not using the melandru runes.
i’ll have to agree as well. turret engies are a l2p issue really. condis destroy them, but theyre also hardcountered by LB rangers. you can choose to destroy all the turrets from long range, or just get the engie to pop his defensive cd’s. most of the time as condi or LB, i’ll take down the rocket turret quickly and proceed to kill the engie himself.
As a condition ranger, I much rather fighting turret engi than fighting a pro celestial ele, which is ridiculously strong and survivable.
So true. I was playing turret engi last night and 1v1ing a condi ranger was brutal. I had to spend most of my time trying to avoid line of sight while holding the cap. How fast you can stack that bleed is insane. Although I will admit I was not using the melandru runes.
i’ll have to agree as well. turret engies are a l2p issue really. condis destroy them, but theyre also hardcountered by LB rangers. you can choose to destroy all the turrets from long range, or just get the engie to pop his defensive cd’s. most of the time as condi or LB, i’ll take down the rocket turret quickly and proceed to kill the engie himself.
Also pretty easy on mesmer, as long as there’s some room to kite. Feedback works really well on rocket turrets, and Warden is also very good against turret engis, especially if they’ve bunched all their turrets up together.
6 more months(probably a lot more) of me LIKING the fact that I can face turret engi’s and have easy wins as a result…
EDIT : Oh wait, you were sarcastic?
I am not being sarcastic.
After 200 matches as Turret Engineer I can say, that majority of people in Ranked arena and obviously on forums who complain about this build, are autofollow bots.
They can move away, but their turrets that make them anything of a threat will die. They are sitting ducks, not threats. Range shatter is going to obliterate them in seconds even if you only auto attack with spacial surge. There a few control points where approach can be a problem, but you can still pop in and out of Los to hit them and get a beserker off.
When I play turret engi I find I can survive against mesmers for quite some time simply by avoiding line of sight, dodging at the right times, and only going to the point if the mesmer decides to try a decap. Oh, and cc the mesmer every chance I get.
Get your bunker warrior or guard in there. I’ve been playing a fairly bunker-ish warrior in the last couple of weeks, and even without all that offensive power I was surprised to see how the rocket turret felt like wet paper. I mean, couple of seconds of stability is all you need to make almost all skills and turrets of the turret engi completely useless.
Also, there is actually someone (hehe) playing turret engi who isn’t ashamed of it? What is wrong with people? What has the world come to? Seriously, human decency is dead. DEAD, I tell you.
Get your bunker warrior or guard in there. I’ve been playing a fairly bunker-ish warrior in the last couple of weeks, and even without all that offensive power I was surprised to see how the rocket turret felt like wet paper. I mean, couple of seconds of stability is all you need to make almost all skills and turrets of the turret engi completely useless.
Also, there is actually someone (hehe) playing turret engi who isn’t ashamed of it? What is wrong with people? What has the world come to? Seriously, human decency is dead. DEAD, I tell you.
It makes people rage so hard, it truly is funny. I actually do not do full turrets, I use bomb kit for various reasons. I cannot stand the lack of skills on a regular turret engi. I do use pirate runes because I need the extra AI for making people rage. This does make condi damage extra painful.
The bomb kit is good cause you can use the sigil of energy and speedy kits (have to give up accelerant packed turrets for it). The smoke bomb can help you actually get off stomps. In addition, smoke bomb can be used to get stealth for a far push. Just put down healing turret, big ol’ bomb, smoke bomb, use jump shot, blow up healing turret, and activate rumble. 8s of stealth. You can use this stealth to escape as well if you get pushed hard. You have a fire field for getting might. Big ol’ bomb is good for rezzing, just put it down before you start the rez. Between the thumper turret, rifle-net shot, and big ol’ bomb it is great for decaping points.
The fact that some classes can face only certain classes make the game boring if you are not playing with a competitive roster . Very sad balance .
Good thing it doesn’t exist then.
Certain professions builds are highly susceptible to certain builds on other professions. If you diversify from the meta, you may not have that problem. Then a different build entirely on the same profession or another may give you trouble. No profession innately defeats another. Builds may have innately stronger advantages though.
Im sorry but when i get full groups of people we all like seeing turret engys. We target them in groups and we leave them alone on a point. Also our 3 best players witht here builds beat turret engys pretty easy. I feel for the new people coming in but id say 100% of the elite players entering these tourneys for money wish more people would play turret engy.
Ehhh the issue is just enemy has garanteed 1 point capped unless you happend to have staff ele on your team which will be probably farmed by everyone else on enemy team.
Also, the fact that you need multiple players to kill 1 engi or just have to ignore the point says a lot about the build.
I might not mind the build itself if it wasn’t so braindead and too rewarding… makes me wonder why even bother playing high risk classes?
Game should motivate player to become better and actively react in combat and not degenerate to afk botting playstyle but that’s my opinion…
After this game been for a while it is quite clear what balancing strategy anet is following (which is pretty much same for any gaming company out there)… they couldn’t care less that class/build XY is too strong/braindead and what not as long as they get their statistics right so i wouldn’t get any hopes for any engi nerfs for year or 2 at least~
5 Turret engis is clearly a missed opportunity. The proper way to make an OP comp is 4 turret engis and 1 spirit ranger (the turrets get the spirit buff).
I think the guys from DPS tried this out with 3 complete noobs in old teamQ and went like 5-2, only losing to the absolutely best teams. If anyone can find the video, its very funny. At one point, one of the players just runs on-point, drops a crate, and walks away, as that crate was more than enough to guarantee victory.
5 Turret engis is clearly a missed opportunity. The proper way to make an OP comp is 4 turret engis and 1 spirit ranger (the turrets get the spirit buff).
I think the guys from DPS tried this out with 3 complete noobs in old teamQ and went like 5-2, only losing to the absolutely best teams. If anyone can find the video, its very funny. At one point, one of the players just runs on-point, drops a crate, and walks away, as that crate was more than enough to guarantee victory.
hahah BEST feels when that happens.
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The thing with turret engis is once you clean up their turrets they are defenseless. I used to avoid playing engis thinking they were cheap as AIDS, but eventually tried the profession out and found out that its incredibly easy to catch the little buggers of guard by simply destroying their turrets and keeping distance between you and them. Distance is required because turret engis usually make use of a rifile and spam the KB+imobilize combo to push you out of the cap point which is just enough for theturrets to do another cycle.
Why what happenes in 6 months? If you are talking about the expansion and the new engineer specializations (which look like mobile turrets of some kind) what makes you think that it’ll suddenly stop? there will probably be more than evor after the expansion if anything.
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The thing with turret engis is once you clean up their turrets they are defenseless. I used to avoid playing engis thinking they were cheap as AIDS, but eventually tried the profession out and found out that its incredibly easy to catch the little buggers of guard by simply destroying their turrets and keeping distance between you and them. Distance is required because turret engis usually make use of a rifile and spam the KB+imobilize combo to push you out of the cap point which is just enough for theturrets to do another cycle.
the problem is the time it takes to clean up said turrets, the regen of the turrets is WAY to high
My normal strategy as a static discharge engineer is to range them, save dodges for missiles and pulls if he’s smart enough to use the tool kit. Then try for a pull myself, burst him down a little then pop elixir x and delete him/her. 20 sec of stability and cc is bad news for them. If I get tornado then it’s a case of keeping him/her knocked down off point whilst brutal bolts, fire/air sigils do a number on the turrets. They don’t bother me at all really.
I almost pity them when I school them like that that… >:-) :evilgrin:
Smart dudes here saying “just kill the turrets”. Some turrets have 30k HP, heal, and can’t be crit, pushback when they die. Some classes just can’t kill those turrets, and while the engy hides in it, can’t kill him either.
I don’t say it’s OP, the problem is that the counter to engy turrets is pure teamplay : you just need to leave the point. I don’t think that it’s healthy for the game to have such a heavy influence on a match in the hands on a -let’s face it- completely kittened build.
Smart dudes here saying “just kill the turrets”. Some turrets have 30k HP, heal, and can’t be crit, pushback when they die. Some classes just can’t kill those turrets, and while the engy hides in it, can’t kill him either.
I don’t say it’s OP, the problem is that the counter to engy turrets is pure teamplay : you just need to leave the point. I don’t think that it’s healthy for the game to have such a heavy influence on a match in the hands on a -let’s face it- completely kittened build.
30k hp, what on earth? The only turret worth killing is the rocket turret and that has 7k hp. Even thumper doesn’t have anything near 30k hp.
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I would rather deal with Turret spam than Condition Engineer’s, D/D ele’s and Shoutbow Warriors any day. It’s rather humorous to see people complain about a spec that can be beaten with relative ease compared to the three I just mentioned.
I would rather deal with Turret spam than Condition Engineer’s, D/D ele’s and Shoutbow Warriors any day. It’s rather humorous to see people complain about a spec that can be beaten with relative ease compared to the three I just mentioned.
From my PoV.
Condi engi – gotta keep attention what he throws and calculate what you can facetank and what to dodge. Underestimated is annoying and can wipe a team.
D/D ele – damage isn’t that great unless will finish stacking might, but sustain, condition cleanse and heal spikes are very annoying. Vigor spam, so timing high damage skills is more difficult. Aaand annoying mobility, where they always can just flee away.
Shoutbow war – annoying sustain and health regen.
Turret Engi? – damage pressure and he’ll die, w/o even destroying turrets. 2OP2015.
Condi-engie: Quite a bit of sustain, mobility and a little bit of CC. Not to mention the Condition access. Best healing skill on top of a low cd block makes it difficult.
D/D Ele: Agreed with you but again, with its high sustain, you’ll attain those stacks with relative ease.
A lot of the issue’s presented are with the professions themselves, not so much the amulets/runes. Go take a look at their traits/skills and you’ll see it’s a bit much. The amulets just accentuate the problem with more sustain.
Yep.
But I don’t call those stuff issues.
Of course, those builds are annoying if it comes to damage mobility or sustain.
But, to be frank.
Those builds in all aspects require player being skilled in handling that build and knowledge about other classes and builds mechanics.
I’ve seen countless people on those builds, and I’ve met only few per each class that were really good in handling those builds in 1v1 without even using the environment for it.
So, sorry to people who believe otherwise, but many many people proved that each build is good if played well. There is no build that makes you perma invincible and there is always a trick or two against every build.
I have to disagree there Tao, having more skill-access doesn’t make a profession harder to play. In fact, it gives the player more of an opportunity to pressure their opponent/sustain themselves than other professions.
It’s really not a l2p issue when there’s only so much you can dodge/pressure as another profession.
Edit: I don’t mind having a discussion with you, lets just keep it civil and provide factual information together.
Smart dudes here saying “just kill the turrets”. Some turrets have 30k HP, heal, and can’t be crit, pushback when they die. Some classes just can’t kill those turrets, and while the engy hides in it, can’t kill him either.
I don’t say it’s OP, the problem is that the counter to engy turrets is pure teamplay : you just need to leave the point. I don’t think that it’s healthy for the game to have such a heavy influence on a match in the hands on a -let’s face it- completely kittened build.
30k hp, what on earth? The only turret worth killing is the rocket turret and that has 7k hp. Even thumper doesn’t have anything near 30k hp.
The effective hp of the rocket turret with the metal plating trait is 10k Hp. The thumper is about 15k+ hp with the trait. No where close to 30k hp but a lot tougher than mesmer illusions…
Wanna make people mad? Run a Turret Engi with a Shoutbow War. Condis are no longer an issue and the turrets are even more difficult to take down. Unless I’m mistaken I think another Engi with traited Tool Kit can also heal allied turrets as well.
Many posts here seem to look at Turret Engis as a singular entity and not as a part of a team.
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Thumper turret is around 12k HP base. With the -33% damage reduction, that goes up to about 18k. All that with 5% health regen every 3 seconds, immunity to condis and crits.
Dude that kitten is a better tank than bunker guards. And I’m barely trolling.
