Guild Wars 2

Wowzers. Didn’t expect a few nerfs and buffs to shift the meta to where it is now. As a thief main, glad we’re considered “meta” but I use that term loosely because meta means nothing if u have no skill. Also because my thief build is way different than the one on meta battle.
Couple of notes:
- I noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to kill things. Warrior passives just adds to the annoying auto pilot gameplay this game has.
- Revs and Mesmers are prey for thiefs
- matchmaking is a lot more fun despite what people are saying. People will always complain about it because they aren’t winning 100% of their games like they think they should be.

Shovel Face.4512:

Couple of notes:
- I noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to kill things. Warrior passives just adds to the annoying auto pilot gameplay this game has.

I believe the PC term is “skilled” now.

And what of the non elite spec builds? Lol

9 out of 9 class are meta, I can’t think of a class which isn’t.

I agree. I see every profession now. It’s awesome! Now… If only AN could get their team to figure out a way to keep the game balanced with diversity

Pretty much every game has:

2 Guardians
2 Necros
1 Ranger (and quite often 2)

Seen plenty of games with 4 thieves as well, but every single game I’ve played in S3 has the above.

@Fivedawgs nah bro. like 1/12 out of 9/9 classes are meta. Most all of which are elite spec. So much of the classes are not being used its ridiculous. So saying any of the classes are meta is bullocks because its really just a build or two

Fivedawgs.4267:

9 out of 9 class are meta, I can’t think of a class which isn’t.

Dragonhunters say HI.

Can Fivedawgs get a ban already?

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

9 out of 9 class are meta, I can’t think of a class which isn’t.

Dragonhunters say HI.

Meta or competitive? Trapper dragon hunter are viable as it get, I seriously don’t get how DH sucks.

Silhouette.5631:

@Fivedawgs nah bro. like 1/12 out of 9/9 classes are meta. Most all of which are elite spec. So much of the classes are not being used its ridiculous. So saying any of the classes are meta is bullocks because its really just a build or two

So you agree with me since each class have a meta build? Look I am not talking about build diversity, the facts are each class has a meta build,and can perform quite well in high elo.

And about the xpac, if you haven’t switch to xpac then you are doing yourself a disfavor, the game and the community has moved on; and so should you.

Furajir.3815:

Can Fivedawgs get a ban already?

I actually wouldn’t mind but what is it that you are disagreeing with?

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

9 out of 9 class are meta, I can’t think of a class which isn’t.

Dragonhunters say HI.

Meta or competitive? Trapper dragon hunter are viable as it get, I seriously don’t get how DH sucks.

Look above you said META. Its not meta in anyone’s definition of the term.

Viable is not the same as meta.

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

9 out of 9 class are meta, I can’t think of a class which isn’t.

Dragonhunters say HI.

Meta or competitive? Trapper dragon hunter are viable as it get, I seriously don’t get how DH sucks.

Look above you said META. Its not meta in anyone’s definition of the term.

Viable is not the same as meta.

It’s meta to me and to every player who use it in PL. I get that it ni longer broken but classes don’t have to be broken to be meta.

I would not want to see a pvp season where trapper Dragonhunter was a must have on pro teams. Viable in Ranked for sure, but they have a low skill ceiling, and heavily countered by reflects.
Every profession can now q ranked and not feel like they are bringing down their team. That is progress.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

9 out of 9 class are meta, I can’t think of a class which isn’t.

Dragonhunters say HI.

Meta or competitive? Trapper dragon hunter are viable as it get, I seriously don’t get how DH sucks.

Look above you said META. Its not meta in anyone’s definition of the term.

Viable is not the same as meta.

It’s meta to me and to every player who use it in PL. I get that it ni longer broken but classes don’t have to be broken to be meta.

I played DH in S1 and S2. Its laughably weak now. It used to be something to worry about esp if two on enemy team. Now you can almost ignore them.

Oh and every team that used a DH in pro league lost.

mysticsicness.7598:

I would not want to see a pvp season where trapper Dragonhunter was a must have on pro teams. Viable in Ranked for sure, but they have a low skill ceiling, and heavily countered by reflects.
Every profession can now q ranked and not feel like they are bringing down their team. That is progress.

Yeah, no one is raging at DH like warrior or thieves during S1. If people want to dramatize little tweaks that’s on them. And also, it as if Anet is trying to increase the skill cap of each class, DH and revs were the first to get hammered.

Going through Sayain media trapper build which is 90% of the time counter by dps ele ( which Noone runes in rank), mesmer and another class. The arguement about DH not being meta is a joke.

@Spartacus have you considered the fact that DH was broken during S1? And was the almighty counter to melee class during S2? Sayain media trapper build listed 3 counter in 1 vs 1, so I am not following you. Revs are weak compared to S1 and S2 but they are still meta… Necros are weaker compare to S2 but they are still meta Ele are weaker compared to S1 and 2 but they are still meta. Druids are weaker than the bunker S1 or S2 druids but they are still meta .. mesmer are weaker than S1 and S2 mesmer and yet they are still meta.

I agree that classes feel relatively balanced now. I never see team comps now and think, “oh crud, they have x and we have x”. Seems like every class has something to offer.

DH is not considered meta, but it is a viable class, just bottom tier.

Fivedawgs.4267:

So you agree with me since each class have a meta build? Look I am not talking about build diversity, the facts are each class has a meta build,and can perform quite well in high elo.

And about the xpac, if you haven’t switch to xpac then you are doing yourself a disfavor, the game and the community has moved on; and so should you.

@Fivedawg No…Im not playing an Xpac build. Same way Im not playing an ele, or an engi, or another game entirely. Im plaything this game. With my character.

It needs to get balanced instead of every tryhard metawanabee scrub thinking that having a game with overpowered builds for them to play is the only way for them to show how 1337 they are and acting like everybody playing something else that they’ve actually taken time to learn, get better at, and reach a higher degree of perfection, deserves to be underpowered.

This is not pvp. THIS IS NOT COMPETITION. This is having fun with the flavor of the week.

I would like to see and fight people who have actually played the same kind of character for a year. I used to do that before HoT. It was fun, it was exciting. Now its just a giant game of rock paper scissors. Where most people are beat by all three

Also since when do you speak for the developers? If i thought anet was gona permanently leave all base builds in the dust i woulda quit the kittening game by now. And if you think the “community has moved on” nah bro, plenty of people agree that this craps toxic. Its just people like you who are OK with it. Go back to whatever screwy balanced game you came from and please stop trying to convince people ours is the way it should be.

Silhouette.5631:

Fivedawgs.4267:

So you agree with me since each class have a meta build? Look I am not talking about build diversity, the facts are each class has a meta build,and can perform quite well in high elo.

And about the xpac, if you haven’t switch to xpac then you are doing yourself a disfavor, the game and the community has moved on; and so should you.

@Fivedawg No…Im not playing an Xpac build. Same way Im not playing an ele, or an engi, or another game entirely. Im plaything this game. With my character.

It needs to get balanced instead of every tryhard metawanabee scrub thinking that having a game with overpowered builds for them to play is the only way for them to show how 1337 they are and acting like everybody playing something else that they’ve actually taken time to learn, get better at, and reach a higher degree of perfection, deserves to be underpowered.

This is not pvp. THIS IS NOT COMPETITION. This is having fun with the flavor of the week.

I would like to see and fight people who have actually played the same kind of character for a year. I used to do that before HoT. It was fun, it was exciting. Now its just a giant game of rock paper scissors. Where most people are beat by all three

Also since when do you speak for the developers? If i thought anet was gona permanently leave all base builds in the dust i woulda quit the kittening game by now. And if you think the “community has moved on” nah bro, plenty of people agree that this craps toxic. Its just people like you who are OK with it. Go back to whatever screwy balanced game you came from and please stop trying to convince people ours is the way it should be.

I am of the same opinion but we have to pick battle we can win. Marketing and what not, pretty much makes the current state of the gane ( which is betterr than s1 and s2) a necessity. It just that unless I have access to free depressant or mode enhancer, playing a subpar build is tatamount to torture since Anet won’t change their stance on it due to financial reason.

As a power warrior, I had trouble dropping the discipline e line for zerker but after 1 month I got used to it. But I undertsand you are a man of principle.

PS: I think Anet dev team has finally decided to bring elite down to core level; an observation based on the amount of nerf I am seeing.

@fivedawgs
6 months ago if you had told me anet would disbalance the game for financial reasons i woulda told you to shove a foot in your mouth. Now I’m at the point that I don’t think the game will even be relatively balanced IN 6 months.

And you’re right, PvPing when you don’t have all the stuff you should is torture. When you say something about it people either say “change class” or “just dodge”.

So at this point if I wanna play my character I just need to stick to PvE and WvW. I went up into ruby last season and in hindsight that almost give me a friggin stroke from pure rage. Nope, not worth it. Thank you for showing me that

P.S. If they bring elite specs down to guardian core level we might not be able to complete the new LS content thats coming

Shovel Face.4512:

- Revs and Mesmers are prey for thiefs

Yet there are still people that spout nonsense like “rev always wins a thief 1v1!” when they can technically kite a rev forever after the RS nerf.

@PS yeah they might not down them to that level, but they are sure getting tone down. Thieves, warrior and condi dmg might get hit by the end of this season.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Going through Sayain media trapper build which is 90% of the time counter by dps ele ( which Noone runes in rank), mesmer and another class. The arguement about DH not being meta is a joke.

@Spartacus have you considered the fact that DH was broken during S1? And was the almighty counter to melee class during S2? Sayain media trapper build listed 3 counter in 1 vs 1, so I am not following you. Revs are weak compared to S1 and S2 but they are still meta… Necros are weaker compare to S2 but they are still meta Ele are weaker compared to S1 and 2 but they are still meta. Druids are weaker than the bunker S1 or S2 druids but they are still meta .. mesmer are weaker than S1 and S2 mesmer and yet they are still meta.

Sure im gonna accept your assertion that DH is meta and ignore a Pro League team members ranking (and pretty much every other pro league’s view of DH)

The only thing DH counters well are Thieves.

Merc amulet removal from Mesmers and Necros means DH could do more damage to them now but the amount of projectile hate is still out there and True shot is 20% weaker. The buffs to LB 3 skill is a joke since you have to be literally asleep not to be able to side step that skill.

The rise of the condi warrior is the death knell for DH. War has better sustain, has projectile reflect, better condi cleanse and more on point pressure than a DH could ever have. I very much doubt any pro league team will run a DH this season unless its to troll. There are 5 better classes out there.

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Going through Sayain media trapper build which is 90% of the time counter by dps ele ( which Noone runes in rank), mesmer and another class. The arguement about DH not being meta is a joke.

@Spartacus have you considered the fact that DH was broken during S1? And was the almighty counter to melee class during S2? Sayain media trapper build listed 3 counter in 1 vs 1, so I am not following you. Revs are weak compared to S1 and S2 but they are still meta… Necros are weaker compare to S2 but they are still meta Ele are weaker compared to S1 and 2 but they are still meta. Druids are weaker than the bunker S1 or S2 druids but they are still meta .. mesmer are weaker than S1 and S2 mesmer and yet they are still meta.

Sure im gonna accept your assertion that DH is meta and ignore a Pro League team members ranking (and pretty much every other pro league’s view of DH)

The only thing DH counters well are Thieves.

Merc amulet removal from Mesmers and Necros means DH could do more damage to them now but the amount of projectile hate is still out there and True shot is 20% weaker. The buffs to LB 3 skill is a joke since you have to be literally asleep not to be able to side step that skill.

The rise of the condi warrior is the death knell for DH. War has better sustain, has projectile reflect, better condi cleanse and more on point pressure than a DH could ever have. I very much doubt any pro league team will run a DH this season unless its to troll. There are 5 better classes out there.

All are strong points, it just that the skill gap between an inexperienced DH and an experience guardian is Huge. You can actually tell… I’ve seen some great guardian build in ranked and unranked.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Going through Sayain media trapper build which is 90% of the time counter by dps ele ( which Noone runes in rank), mesmer and another class. The arguement about DH not being meta is a joke.

@Spartacus have you considered the fact that DH was broken during S1? And was the almighty counter to melee class during S2? Sayain media trapper build listed 3 counter in 1 vs 1, so I am not following you. Revs are weak compared to S1 and S2 but they are still meta… Necros are weaker compare to S2 but they are still meta Ele are weaker compared to S1 and 2 but they are still meta. Druids are weaker than the bunker S1 or S2 druids but they are still meta .. mesmer are weaker than S1 and S2 mesmer and yet they are still meta.

Sure im gonna accept your assertion that DH is meta and ignore a Pro League team members ranking (and pretty much every other pro league’s view of DH)

The only thing DH counters well are Thieves.

Merc amulet removal from Mesmers and Necros means DH could do more damage to them now but the amount of projectile hate is still out there and True shot is 20% weaker. The buffs to LB 3 skill is a joke since you have to be literally asleep not to be able to side step that skill.

The rise of the condi warrior is the death knell for DH. War has better sustain, has projectile reflect, better condi cleanse and more on point pressure than a DH could ever have. I very much doubt any pro league team will run a DH this season unless its to troll. There are 5 better classes out there.

All are strong points, it just that the skill gap between an inexperienced DH and an experience guardian is Huge. You can actually tell…

Yeah, it is pretty obvious

Yeah, very glad to see this, but we do need to be a bit careful. It’s still early days in the season. The meta will probably shake one or two of these classes down.

Still, glad that the early picture is so good. Just need to get those Dragonhunters patched up and then ANet can start looking into some broader build diversity improvements.

Shovel Face.4512:

Couple of notes:
- I noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to kill things. Warrior passives just adds to the annoying auto pilot gameplay this game has.

Why is auto knockback on guardian longbow still a thing?

Shiyo.3578:

Shovel Face.4512:

Couple of notes:
- I noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to kill things. Warrior passives just adds to the annoying auto pilot gameplay this game has.

Why is auto knockback on guardian longbow still a thing?

Because we need it…….

mrauls.6519:

Shiyo.3578:

Shovel Face.4512:

Couple of notes:
- I noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to kill things. Warrior passives just adds to the annoying auto pilot gameplay this game has.

Why is auto knockback on guardian longbow still a thing?

Because we need it…….

And it is on a 10 second ICD.

Shovel Face.4512:

- Revs and Mesmers are prey for thiefs

Come at me bro…

Fivedawgs.4267:

9 out of 9 class are meta, I can’t think of a class which isn’t.

DH are out, for sure.
Reapers are mostly out, albeit can perform to some extent.
Revs, Zerks and Scrappers can fight for the 5th place.

Meta would be Chrono, Druid, Tempest and Daredevil.

It doesn’t matter if you “need” it or it’s on a 10 second ICD, auto-cast CC should not exist in PVP.

Shovel Face.4512:

- I noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to kill things. Warrior passives just adds to the annoying auto pilot gameplay this game has.

This season I’m playing two classes/builds. Phantasm Lockdown Chrono, and Demoserker. Both are dedicated to singling out and eliminating targets, and meta targets at that. You’re right in that things do feel harder to kill these days, but under this setup the kill counts are always high at the end of my matches.

A good team focus under a string of stun/bursts makes good work of pretty much everything. Except Scrappers. Scappers make warriors look like kittens in the sustain department XD