Guild Wars 2

Good evening.

When the patch hit on June 23rd, we knew there was something terribly wrong in the mists, wasn’t there? Eles were roaming freely across our maps. Unchecked, unchallenged, sustaining at will. Eles playing dd cele build with vamp runes.

How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly the balance team is more responsible than others, and they will not be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? Rampage, Mesmers, burning. There were a myriad of problems in PvP which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your previous playstyle. Taunt got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now dominating class: Cele-Ele.

But there were some that resisted. An alliance of B-tier classes believed in frequent balance changes, and on the PvP forum, they cried for their viability. It soon became clear we couldn’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We stood united in our common interest. We were fighting for our right to live, to exist in the meta.

Victory was near….

Josh Davis.6015:

Rune of Vamp downstate bug was fixed on Tuesday.

… but the power of the fire line could not be undone.

It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Anet reduced burning application and cantrip might gain. DD Ele, the nightmare of all soloQ PvP’ers, was nerfed.

From this moment forth the 29th of september will no longer be known as an ordinary patch day, but as the day when the B-tier classes declared in one voice:

WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT!
WE WILL NOT VANISH WITHOUT A FIGHT!
WE’RE GOING TO LIVE ON!
WE’RE GOING TO SURVIVE!
WE WILL BE VIABLE AGAIN! (except rangers)

Today, we celebrate the Ele nerf!

Ele players will still wreck people, period.
Your tears are delicious.

This was a nerf to Zerk Ele, not Cele Ele. D/D Ele is still going to decimate.

well burning wasnt nerfed really. 2 cantrips, burning speed, fire aura, dodge – they deal the same burn, drake breath is 1/2sec less and RoF got buffed to apply guaranteed 2x burn but less on cross (overal buff for smaller scale fights, slight nerf to teamfights).
Lost about 3 stacks of might (can still easily go 15-25). Vigor change doesnt have a impact on d/d ele.

There are still 2 tiers in pvp. Tier 1 – d/d ele, Tier 2 – every other build. You really think that 1/2s of burn on one skill and 3 stacks of might is what made ele so dominant? Give it a bit you will see, nobody is droping their eles for something else. Maybe next patch they remember to work on ele.

WereDragon.6083:

This was a nerf to Zerk Ele, not Cele Ele. D/D Ele is still going to decimate.

I just want to clear out this misconception.

Per phantaram, the best zerker ele build is marauder S/F air/earth/arcane. I don’t see how it was nerfed considering it doesn’t run fire traits, dagger skills, or ice bow, but actually did get buffed with more damage on two very lackluster skills.

So yeah, zerker ele wasn’t nerfed, since the only good zerker ele builds in pvp weren’t abusing fire to begin with.

nearlight.3064:

WereDragon.6083:

This was a nerf to Zerk Ele, not Cele Ele. D/D Ele is still going to decimate.

I just want to clear out this misconception.

Per phantaram, the best zerker ele build is marauder S/F air/earth/arcane. I don’t see how it was nerfed considering it doesn’t run fire traits, dagger skills, or ice bow, but actually did get buffed with more damage on two very lackluster skills.

So yeah, zerker ele wasn’t nerfed, since the only good zerker ele builds in pvp weren’t abusing fire to begin with.

S/F is a very good build because of all the defensive focus skills which lets you run a more aggressive amulet setup but it’s got crap healing compared to S/D or D/D so I think it’s a bit of a trade. The buffs on scepter aren’t even worth mentioning.

As long as D/D ele will have that ridiculous sustain coupled with that ridiculous mobility they will still be op, or at the very least extremely frustrating and basically the cancer of GW2 PvP.

Here’s the thing. It’s fine if something is the best. Something always has to be the best.

The issue is, D/D Ellie is/was the best by such a wide margin, it literally made everything else completely pointless in all possible situations outside of extreme niches.

It will probably take another balance patch to get it quite right, but a little nudge down like this is appropriate and welcome. D/D Ellie is still going to be tough nut to crack but it’s at least closer to reasonable than it was.

As much as I hate DD ellies I don’t want ANet to knee jerk and just destroy it completely like they did with turret engineers. That’d be stupid. Rework it, make it different, tone it down, but keep it viable.

nearlight.3064:

WereDragon.6083:

This was a nerf to Zerk Ele, not Cele Ele. D/D Ele is still going to decimate.

I just want to clear out this misconception.

Per phantaram, the best zerker ele build is marauder S/F air/earth/arcane. I don’t see how it was nerfed considering it doesn’t run fire traits, dagger skills, or ice bow, but actually did get buffed with more damage on two very lackluster skills.

So yeah, zerker ele wasn’t nerfed, since the only good zerker ele builds in pvp weren’t abusing fire to begin with.

Renewing stamina 50% time reduction. With that build you cant have vigor from cantrip so its a huge nerf to SF maradeur ele. And for that build Dodge into water is the only condi clear out of magnetic wave. So this hurt more SF that DD

Nathaira.6583:

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Were you channeling your inner-Tolkien there?