Guild Wars 2

This season is the 4th for the year, the last of this set? Or maybe one more before the next one? Whatever, at some point they’ll consider this set of league seasons “done” and move on to the next one. I am asking, as someone who pre-ordered this game to get into the first open betas, who has been playing since pre-launch, pre-ordered HoT with all the bonus stuff, etc., please don’t give me any reason to play the next league season.

I have never particularly enjoyed PvP. I know some do, that’s great, but I am not one of them. I never PvP in other MMOs, and before the PvP overhauls a few years back I never did in this one. I just do not enjoy the fundamental core of all PvP experiences, that you are opposing other players, and one of the things that makes GW2 the very best MMO out there is that it encourages cooperative play in its core game mode. There will never be a version of PvP that I will genuinely enjoy as a gaming experience. Again, I know that there are others who feel the exact opposite, I’m just pointing out that both sides exist.

I LOVED GW2 sPvP when the game launched, it was the very best MMO PvP system I’d ever seen, because if a player didn’t want to participate in it, he had absolutely no reason why he should. The leveling and loot were kept entirely separate, if you wanted to PvP, you could, if you didn’t want to PvP, you were given absolutely no reason to do so. It was magical.

Since then, they’ve been adding more and more elements where if you don’t want to PvP, you’re missing out. They changed the dailies so that it’s very inconvenient to clear your required 4 without at least a few PvP ones. They made it so that loot acquired in PvP, some of it unique to PvP, carried over to the rest of the game, so that if you didn’t PvP, you could never earn those items. And then the absolute worst of it, the PvP Leagues, where if you wanted the Ascension wings, you were given no other option but to slog through the horrors of the league tiers.

Why?

I can see why they might want to get players to try PvP, to see if it’s for them. That’s all well and good. Give players unique rewards for dabbling in the game mode, for spending a few hours in it, but don’t require them to spend dozens of hours in that mode to unlock the rewards, that’s just cruel once the player knows for a fact that they’ll find no enjoyment in it.

And I can see why they’d want to reward their loyal PvP players. They should offer cool rewards to them, but either rewards that cannot be removed from the Mists (and thus would be irrelevant to people who don’t want to be in the Mists in the first place), or rewards that ONLY signify PvP expertise (without also being cool looking skins within their own right), or methods of allowing good PvPer to earn things more efficiently than through other game modes, so that PvPers feel like they come out ahead, without making it impossible to earn the thing outside of PvP.

But once those are accounted for, there is absolutely no advantage in trapping PvE players in PvP hell. Those players resent it, because they are not having fun when they could be out enjoying the lovely game world you’ve constructed. The PvPers don’t benefit, because they end up having to play along players who don’t want to be there, have no interest in fair matches, have no interest in “getting good,” and will just drag them down, or in the best case scenarios end up on the other team and just present un-competitive blowouts, which any true PvPer should hate just as much. And of course ANet doesn’t benefit, because it makes their PvP community into the burning trashfire we’ve seen throughout this league run, in which these two completely incompatible groups are forced into conflict, rather than allowing the actual PvPers to have their mode completely to their own interests.

So please, when you’re designing the structure and reward systems for the next big PvP push, please respect your players who will want no part of it. Maybe give them a reason to spend an hour or two playing the next PvP season, but then allow them to leave with their reward in hand, don’t force them to stick around the end just to get their shiny. Construct the rewards for the PvPers in a way that PvE players would not feel like they were missing out by not earning them through PvP.

Gated Loot has been in game since launch in every part of the game, Pve has legendary wings, you don’t have to do PvP for a legendary back shiny, you don’t need the wings you just want them, and why should PvP players be treated as second class citizens for loot? And can’t show off any PvP unique items in other game modes? a lot of pvpers also like some WvW or pve so having items that can be used in those game modes is key for those players.

Again no one is forcing you to PvP for shinies, you just want to take things away from other players this isn’t the first post by you I have seen like this you only want things to benefit yourself, so get over it learn to live with gated items they are everywhere and always have been.

Gated Loot has been in game since launch in every part of the game, Pve has legendary wings, you don’t have to do PvP for a legendary back shiny,

Yes you do. The PvE wings are different than the PvP ones. You don’t have to play the game at all if you just want any wings, you can buy plenty off the gem store, but if you want The Ascension wings, currently they can only be found through the league season. There is no argument to the contrary.

and why should PvP players be treated as second class citizens for loot? And can’t show off any PvP unique items in other game modes? a lot of pvpers also like some WvW or pve so having items that can be used in those game modes is key for those players.

It’s not about treating them as “second class,” it’s about not treating them as “first class” above all others by having unique rewards. Anything that can ONLY be earned in PvP should only be usable in PvP. Anything that can be used in other game modes should be earnable in those game modes.

Again no one is forcing you to PvP for shinies, you just want to take things away from other players this isn’t the first post by you I have seen like this you only want things to benefit yourself, so get over it learn to live with gated items they are everywhere and always have been.

No.

Ohoni.6057:

Gated Loot has been in game since launch in every part of the game, Pve has legendary wings, you don’t have to do PvP for a legendary back shiny,

Yes you do. The PvE wings are different than the PvP ones. You don’t have to play the game at all if you just want any wings, you can buy plenty off the gem store, but if you want The Ascension wings, currently they can only be found through the league season. There is no argument to the contrary.

and why should PvP players be treated as second class citizens for loot? And can’t show off any PvP unique items in other game modes? a lot of pvpers also like some WvW or pve so having items that can be used in those game modes is key for those players.

It’s not about treating them as “second class,” it’s about not treating them as “first class” above all others by having unique rewards. Anything that can ONLY be earned in PvP should only be usable in PvP. Anything that can be used in other game modes should be earnable in those game modes.

Again no one is forcing you to PvP for shinies, you just want to take things away from other players this isn’t the first post by you I have seen like this you only want things to benefit yourself, so get over it learn to live with gated items they are everywhere and always have been.

No.

They aren’t being treated as first class it is a PvP reward for doing PvP, the same pve has its on specific legendary back piece reward. And they had the whole PvP only skins and pve only skins people didn’t like it they removed that years ago, do a little reading on it you will be amazed, and again specific rewards for specific content Is a good thing, just because you don’t want to put the actual work in for content specific rewards is not a problem of Anets or anyone else’s except yours. You don’t see people complaining about how Ad Infinitum is not attainable in PvP.

And yes no one is forcing you to PvP, you only PvP because you want the shiny at the end, guess what pvping for the PvP back piece is the requirement to attain it.

You don’t see people complaining about how Ad Infinitum is not attainable in PvP.

People choosing to not complain about something does not mean that other complaints are not valid. If people do want to complain about Ad Infinitum not being attainable in PvP then they are free to do so, and I would support them in that, but that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

And yes no one is forcing you to PvP, you only PvP because you want the shiny at the end, guess what pvping for the PvP back piece is the requirement to attain it.

Exactly, that’s the problem I’m trying to correct moving forward.

The incredibly ironic thing is this could all be said for PvE. Even more so given the fact PvE has far more items only obtainable in it than PvP or WvW.

Having unique items for each game mode is what makes each mode in itself unique and rewarding. Many games do it, and it’s a good thing. You might not agree but many others do.

Dailies are doable without doing another game mode, this goes for each of them. You’re completely over exaggerating.

And as for your suggestion to not allow game mode specific rewards to not be used in other game modes? Ridiculous. Why should somebodys effort to earn something be wiped out and not be allowed to be used elsewhere, because of people like you?

So to your post in it’s entirity. No. If you want anything in this game, you should earn it. Regardless of the mode you earn it in.

I absolutely despise PvE but if I want to permanently glide or a Legendary weapon, I have to work on it like everyone else. Want a PvP back piece? Work on it like the rest of us.

There are PvP rewards just like there are PvE rewards (a lot more) and WvW ones, they are meant to reward your dedication.

Should divisions start awarding legendary weapons?
Just because you can’t be bothered playing a game mode doesn’t mean the rewards should be handed to you, you simply don’t deserve them.

Fun fact, to get fractal skins or fractal wings, you need to do fractals. Do you see people crying about it? No.

Wings are gated behind grind in pvp? Complains every season lol. They are not even that hard to get on first place. Easiest legendary in entire game.

Also, wth, i can’t show off my pvp dedication in other game modes? Really? But it is ok, if i show up with HoT legendaries in pvp?

I think the system is fine as it is, only thing i would change is make leagues and prestige indicators less grindy (atm anyone can farm it, anyone literary).

The incredibly ironic thing is this could all be said for PvE. Even more so given the fact PvE has far more items only obtainable in it than PvP or WvW.

Again, not relevant.

If you would like to argue that PvP or WvW should have more access to stuff in PvP, that is an argument for another time and place, but one that I would support you on 100%. That is not the discussion we are having here. This is about not wanting to have to PvP if one does not enjoy PvP. People who do not enjoy PvP should have no reason to enter the Mists at all, ever.

And as for your suggestion to not allow game mode specific rewards to not be used in other game modes? Ridiculous. Why should somebodys effort to earn something be wiped out and not be allowed to be used elsewhere, because of people like you?

That’s only one possibility, but it would solve the issue, since if a player never wanted to enter the Mists, then he would have no reason to have an item that can only be used there. It’s like since PvP does not allow you to use wings, there’s absolutely no need for PvP-only players to have any access to wings of any sort, right? Same basic idea, if PvP rewarded, say, an exclusive Finisher or something, no PvEer would care much about seeking it out, since it would add no real value to his PvE gaming experience. If it’s a weapon or armor skin though, that would add value to his PvE experience, and not having access to it where others do would harm that player experience.

Again, you don’t have to agree with this, just don’t get in the way of it.

So to your post in it’s entirity. No. If you want anything in this game, you should earn it. Regardless of the mode you earn it in.

Agreed, but you should not have to play elements of the game that do not interest you at all, for months on end, in order to earn the things that you want. There should be methods of earning those items elsewhere.

I absolutely despise PvE but if I want to permanently glide or a Legendary weapon, I have to work on it like everyone else. Want a PvP back piece? Work on it like the rest of us.

Why on Earth would you need to permanently glide when gliding has zero function outside of PvE? And as for Legendary weapons, as I said, if you want them in PvP, push for that, I’ll support you, but their current unavailability is not an argument against making other things more available.

Should divisions start awarding legendary weapons?

Again, an argument for a different thread, but sure they could, so long as the time and effort required to do so would be comparable to the time and effort it would take to earn them via PvE.

Fun fact, to get fractal skins or fractal wings, you need to do fractals. Do you see people crying about it? No.

They’re free to do so if they wish. Personally I don’t care because I don’t like the looks of the Fractal wings, but if I did I would be just as upset to see them locked behind Fractals, and even as they are, I would stand behind anyone who very much wanted them and didn’t want to run Fractals for them.

Wings are gated behind grind in pvp? Complains every season lol. They are not even that hard to get on first place. Easiest legendary in entire game.

If you enjoy PvP, sure. If you absolutely despise PvP then they’re a torturous and soul crushing grind to earn.

Also, wth, i can’t show off my pvp dedication in other game modes? Really? But it is ok, if i show up with HoT legendaries in pvp?

If all you want is to “show off,” then sure, the nametag pips and stuff are good for that. My point is that it shouldn’t make available armor or weapon skins that PvE players cannot earn through PvE.

Aren’t you the guy that made a thread about how the level 15 open world zone was too difficult for you to play on your level 80 mesmer?

Regardless, I do remember your name and you always seem to find something to complain about that no one else has a problem with. That’s fine I suppose, but the sheer number of people being baffled at your complaints has got to tell you something about the validity of your complaints.

I hate broccoli and I hate working out. I only like Big Macs and watching TV reruns…..But I really like the look of nice ab muscles.

So I want the reward or nice abs, but I only want to earn them my way. That’s totally fair. I only want to spend my time doing things I like and get all the rewards in life without ever having to change anything or try anything new or ever step out if my bubble.

I always take the time to read your constant PvP and Raid reward threads because I do find them very entertaining.

Your “participation medal for everyone regardless” mentality is a real generational problem.

We have PvE wings I kinda like but don’t want to grind for and we have PvP wings I like and do have now. You want Ad infinitum? Turn into PvE carebear and grind for them. You want Ascension? Get good at sPvP.
The point of this being there are pure PvP players that don’t want to do PvE but love some skins out there too. Don’t make them grind ever repeating boring fractals pls.

And personally, I find running PvE content fun for like 2-3 times, then it turns into hell for me because it ever repeats itself with the same templates all over again and if I do that too much I’d turn into bot-like players we have in SPvP sometimes. No thanks.

Aren’t you the guy that made a thread about how the level 15 open world zone was too difficult for you to play on your level 80 mesmer?

I don’t think so, but then Mesmer has never been my best class, so without context I can’t say for sure that I wasn’t having difficulties with some piece of unusual content in a level 15 map. I’m also someone who has cleared the story up through the current content and routinely plays in HoT maps though, so it’s not an “I just don’t know how to play” issue, if that’s concerning you.

Regardless, I do remember your name and you always seem to find something to complain about that no one else has a problem with. That’s fine I suppose, but the sheer number of people being baffled at your complaints has got to tell you something about the validity of your complaints.

How so? I don’t expect to get a ton of support for this on the PvP forum, but it is a PvP-related issue and if I didn’t start the thread here it’d be moved here eventually anyway. But read the other threads around here, and you’ll find them littered with people who clearly don’t give a kitten about PvP itself, and yet find themselves stuck in PvP in their progress towards The Ascension, and are therefore super salty about their progress, or lack thereof. None of these people would be on these forums if not for the broken reward mechanisms that incentivize self-destructive behaviors.

So I want the reward or nice abs, but I only want to earn them my way. That’s totally fair. I only want to spend my time doing things I like and get all the rewards in life without ever having to change anything or try anything new or ever step out if my bubble.

Hey, if you can make that happen, then more power to you. The main reason that doesn’t work in the real world is that the real world is not a videogame. Evolution did not design the human body to process Big Macs and lethargy into toned bodies, and so that’s not what we get, but if this were an artificial world where the rules could be changed to make our lives better, then obvious we would want the devs to cause Big Macs to be just as healthy as broccoli, and they would have no good reason to not do so, because they would want us to be happy, and it would be silly for them to encourage us to do things we wouldn’t enjoy doing.

Your “participation medal for everyone regardless” mentality is a real generational problem.

I don’t want participation medals, I just don’t want to have to participate in content that I do not enjoy, in order to acquire items that I want. I want to work hard, I want to earn my rewards, but I want to be able to choose the flavor of the content in which I do so, so that I will ENJOY the process of earning them. I don’t find that concept difficult to grasp, and yet people are constantly building strawmen to oppose instead of actually debating that premise.

And personally, I find running PvE content fun for like 2-3 times, then it turns into hell for me because it ever repeats itself with the same templates all over again and if I do that too much I’d turn into bot-like players we have in SPvP sometimes. No thanks.

Agreed, if you don’t enjoy PvE, then you shouldn’t have to do it either.

To each their own.

Why do people feed this guy replies? Every single time he makes some garbage thread and refuses to listen to any responses. Anet doesn’t care what he has to say but he garners like 5 pages in bait replies.

A truely professional troll.