Guild Wars 2

HoT pvp, 2 months before, any conclusion, suggestions?

I have tried all the elite spe in both pvp and pve and my conclusion are pessimistic:

- war and thief: the idea of the elite spe are not bad but actually those are not usefull because of the tones of AOE in the game. All the spe have got so much Aoe Cc, blind, frost, weakness, condi etc etc that the game is not really skilled. People in pvp just spam Aoe without real focus and will see the first opponent that will die… Where is the skill here? With all those AOE, rogue and war are muffled. Just see your recount, so often 50% of my life gone just with Aoe of a person that doesn t focus me.
All the strong elite actually have really good Aoe both offensive and defensive:

+ tempest: aoe cc, heal, dispel, condi, damage, boons, utility
+ drood: aoe cc, heal, dispel, condi, damage
+ rev: aoe cc, damage, condi, boons
+ scrapper: aoe cc, damage, condi, boons, dispel
+ dh: aoe cc, damage, boon, condi
+ necro: aoe cc, condi, damage, utility
+ chrono: aoe cc, condi, damage, utility, heal

Both thief and war have some good spots: damage, condi etc but they can t easily spam aoe blind, frost, weakness, slow, snare etc they just eat and die. This my ele i can play all the game without targeting anyone and do a lot of damage, heal, cc, boon share. And it´s not normal. I hate playing thief it´s not my taste but i really enjoy plaing against a good thief really skilled, there is a real challenge, but now in pvp they can go nothing, just dodge and hit, they take a lot of aoe condi…

- Testing war and thief: i have realized that gw2 pvp have LOST a lot level with HOT. What is a player skill for you??? Have a good mastery of your profession? The spell gestion? What is the real skill?
In gw2 pvp many time the skill is just finding a good professions, build, team, strat. No really the gestion of the caracter. When you see pro league player, do you seen amazing player or just good builds, and good strats? When i see wow are a pro players or Lol players i see amazing pro gamers. It´s not the case in gw2.
Why??
1) in gw2 the profession, the build, stat are more important than the player skill. For example: a bad reaper can easily eat a good berserker,

2) real unbalance between professions, between profession tree lines, between traits. Normally traits are just a way to play but its not a case some traits are useless others are mandatory.

Finally, i have discussed with friend about gw2 pvp and wow pvp to compare. In wow, we find in pvp a real skill, you have to target friends, ennemis, to cc a cast in a precise time, to coordinate cc, dps with friends to take down an healer, etc. In gw2 HOT just spam AOE cc, condi, heal, damage, and finish the target.
In gw2, when you kill an ennemy always you can read “noob it´s because your profession is OP”, and it´s not so false. I want to play pvp and show my own skill, not my build!

Any suggestions to improve the pvp skill? Not just nerf a thing, nerf another etc etc a constructive dial.

Please don’t put thieves in the same rank of warriors. So much differences in playstyle and nerf-time, not to mention the difference in abilities. Warriors got it bad now- that’s for sure, but thieves got it bad for years. At least warriors still got defensive abilities and have enough base health and toughness to not get 1-shotted by random AAs, which gives more room for mistakes and build-diversity. Sure, both classes are in bad spot now, but the distinction must be made, in my opinion.
Buff warriors, re-make thieves totally please.

I’ve come across a bunch of perma-dodge daredevil’s that totally carried…out of curiosity, why is DD lumped in with the war/thief “QQ crisis”?

Salamander.2504:

I’ve come across a bunch of perma-dodge daredevil’s that totally carried…out of curiosity, why is DD lumped in with the war/thief “QQ crisis”?

The fact you had a condi thief carry your team makes me wonder just how legit that claim is; where as, Thief/Warrior complaints are legit atm

I’m not referring to the condi spec, and I’m not saying it carried my team (I’m sure they have, but I’ve also played against teams where their DD won them the match). Bounding dodger DD+signet of agility is plenty of dodges. I’m surprised you’re questioning my claim…is it so hard to believe that there are people out there kicking kitten with Daredevil?

Salamander.2504:

I’m not referring to the condi spec, and I’m not saying it carried my team (I’m sure they have, but I’ve also played against teams where their DD won them the match). Bounding dodger DD+signet of agility is plenty of dodges. I’m surprised you’re questioning my claim…is it so hard to believe that there are people out there kicking kitten with Daredevil?

If a thief is kicking kitten , it means the other team is terrible. Any competent player on ele, engi, druid, dh, or chrono should have 0 problems against DD.

Well, I guess the majority of players are incompetent then.

My personal crises with the class is without Daredevil, you can’t do anything. All classes (yes, you too mr warrior QQ) can do SOMETHING in a teamfight. Old Thief can do almost nothing, and in a 1v2 runs the risk of being a RALLY bot to the enemy player. Yes, power creep is that strong. Our damage is questionable but usually decent (could be higher for skills like backstab. argue all you want but I’ll just point at things like True Shot), our survivability is negated by Weakness and Reveal very often, all that Thief truly has is mobility. This means in PvP sure its “viable” but only in the sense that a warrior can stand on point and be a banner bunker (still a thing at lower elo’s). Basically if you say that’s totally fine, I want you to LEAVE pvp and go to a friggin raid. I bet you money if they really wanna beat the raid content they will drop you like a unwanted disease.

The easiest way to pick Thief up is through a few select changes, then you can balance around those. When you “Fix” thief you can’t touch the damage. People cry about hell freezing over if backstab actually hurts them because omg Stealth (meanwhile all classes have stealth and have had for a long time, so thats moot). So that leaves alternating mobility for survivability. And build diversity. All builds that have been successful in spvp have taken Trickery because for a protracted battle with any class, you need Preparedness. The rest is icing, but Preparedness makes and breaks Thief- so make it baseline. Can’t argue this btw, when Mesmer gets Illusionary Friggin Persona and Graves can’t get a cigar.

Too lazy to argue most of these so: Acrobatics adept minor traits grants 2 seconds of swiftness and removes weakness when using a dodge. Reveal in pvp reduced by 1 second, all classes. Preparedness baseline. Balance Thief from here with an open mind.

Salamander.2504:

Bounding dodger DD+signet of agility

Will not get you “perma” evade.

Like I said you exaggerate and your opinion can’t be taken seriously since it’s full of misinformation and bias.

Have a nice day

Salamander.2504:

I’ve come across a bunch of perma-dodge daredevil’s that totally carried…out of curiosity, why is DD lumped in with the war/thief “QQ crisis”?

DD is really easy to counter with persistent aoe and channeled spells.

I main Theif, I think theif is in a good spot with damage aslong as we don’t get targeted. When i get targeted, I melt like butter over popcorn!

Preparedness baseline means more traitlines. I will say it again and again and again. This is the single biggest thing that involves literally NO change in power. Yet, it could solve so very much. Say it with me.

thief DD is actually very strong in pvp…I had seen quite a fair number of DD killing ppl in less then 6s….hell I even see a lot of DD able to kill a reaper or DH really fast. Thief currently is ok It just that those good thief/DD is keeping their meta build to themselves =) and not wanting to share it with ppl. Warrior however is in need of a serious buff =(

princode.2750:

thief DD is actually very strong in pvp…I had seen quite a fair number of DD killing ppl in less then 6s….hell I even see a lot of DD able to kill a reaper or DH really fast.

Easy way to spot a liar. Only way a thief is going to beat a DH is if they are brain dead.

As a warrior main i think thiefs need a passive defensive buff to add toughness and vitality based on the number or enemies within 800 range…this would help their survivability without breaking them and would help them escape the immense drop rate of aoes. I also think warriors need something major done with it, as it is really hard atm to fight close range when classes full heal every 3 secs and spam aoes and condis

WAR RIOR!

HUH

YEAH

WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?!

ABSOLUTELY NUTHIN’

SAY IT AGAIN Y’ALL

So ye. When people fight over who is worse instead of simply agreeing both need help, it makes it understandable devs do ~absolutely nuthin’~.

Thief: Capable of moving quickly. Must end engagements fast as potential burst is very low and usually on entry. Meta is focused on bunkers who reduce burst and lengthen engagement timers- this means moving point to point usually results in no gain, however if unfilled we can take it. Huzzah, avoid everyone but play PvZone.

Warrior: All arounder. Has not been substantially updated in weapon abilities (for reference, see Mesmer/Necromancer). To fix, adding a little something to all weapons would be fantastic- even if its just a SINGLE change to each set (all 5 sword, all 5 axe, all 5 mace, all 5 hammer, all 5 ETC). Warrior is good at short engagements as well via zerker builds. At this time, it is defenseless past a good 7 or 8 seconds. This means stances are burst survival, physical burst engage, and now you have other things.

Don’t even go into PvE or raids. Warriors are taken for banners, Thieves are booted unless someone is willing to put even more effort into Raid completion. Yep. =) Argue all you want. The facts are laid bare.

Salamander.2504:

Well, I guess the majority of players are incompetent then.

That’s true. People are so used to spam things without even get a target or even know what they are hitting, that they might lose when they meet any decent player.
Agree with OP that this game is far from being a skilled game nowadays and pro teams have pro teamplay, pro builds and pro sinergy between them but there are only few pro players.