Guild Wars 2

I do think they were messing around here, but I did stop doing tournies myself due to toxic behavior. It’s generally not very welcoming and there is a clear bias from a high-tier inner circle that even extends to casters and the devs which can be very frustrating to deal with. They don’t take loses very well, and take any opportunity to find something wrong with how you won to belittle you (especially in 2v2 tournies) or are otherwise a bit snarky. It’s just not a fun environment. But that’s sort of what you can expect when it’s all high tier friends running the casts, and not being “officially” handled.

Frankly a lot of these tournies feel like a high-tier friend gem-factory.

Anyways, end rant. Wish they’d go back to having game-rand tournies instead of hosted ones.

I don’t think there was too much toxicity here that should put people off, after all it’s a bit of harmless competition. The players cursing in map chat could maybe be toned down a bit but I didn’t see much trash talking at all, I saw relevant criticism throughout more often than not. At the end of the day this is an amateur tournament, and they’re going to make mistakes, the Ranger talk was pretty relevant as that Ranger wasted quite a few cool downs and didn’t have a particularly strong positioning.

We need to encourage competition not punish what little of it we have, and I think maybe the toxicity could be toned down (a small few of the “top” players are average players with skilled egos), but at the end of the day this isn’t exactly disastrous behavior.

nearlight.3064:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

nearlight.3064:

Well after watching that part it really didn’t seem like a huge deal. Yeah, I personally don’t like trash talking but the OP for this post made it seem like a huge horrible deal, when it turns out that it wasn’t really that big of a deal, since it was only one little moment.

As for the ranger comment, I don’t think its a huge deal either. Rotations and teamwork mean so much more than what builds and classes you play, as long as they all create one synergistic team in the end. I will say though that condi ranger (settlers bunker to be precise) is probably a better and more versatile pick than power ranger over all, but if they can make that team comp work, then I think its fine.

yes but to a unskilled or non team player watching this for casual entertainment will take those comments to heart comming from a high tier player , the trash talk at the end i don’t care that much.

the ill attempt at Sarcasum about ranger Viability not needed.

In a competitive game, there will always be optimal picks, and non optimal picks. Our idea of what is and isn’t optimal is based on what we see that people can do with that pick. Maybe the reason that power ranger isn’t considered viable for them is because there haven’t been many players good enough to show the classes true potential in a competitve environment. Besides the ranger in this tourney, I know Eurantien has shown that power ranger can work well in the past, but since we haven’t seen much of him in recent tourney streams, its not really in the public perception.

There’s plenty of good rangers out there. The problem is simply that the class is not good enough in its current state to compete with other (meta) classes in PvP in essential areas. Team support with boons or heals? Guard and Ele can do it better, because ranger spirits are still trash and its shouts are still worse than those of other classes. Same for bunkering a point. Thief and mesmer offer better spike damage and have the added advantages of having more and easier access to stealth, the ability to strip boons, and can employ teleport skills to ensure their own survivability. This means taking survival utility skills and signet of stone are pretty much mandatory to compensate for the lack of stealths and teleport skills, making both standard glassbow and condi ranger builds very selfish, whereas thief and mesmer can take skills such kitten and Mass Invis in their glass builds and still have some useful team supporting capabilities.

Then there’s its class mechanic, the pet, which suffers from its own set of problems across all three game modes of GW2, but I’ll spare you a rant on that. Let’s just say it’s not as good as the class mechanics of other classes and the fact that it’s supposed to make up 20-30% of the ranger’s total DPS only makes it worse.

Ranger was once a strong class in PvP. Then came the nerfs. Right now it’s “alright,” but simply not as good in anything in particular as other classes can be.

Discussing the Viablity ..it not what this topic was about but i’ve got 5 points for you.

1. did the Ranger Successfuly Support in the role of prevention on Far into Mid : yes
2. was the Build able to Stand upto Meta builds : yes
3. Did the build provide Ample CC : yes
4. Was the player a Great ranger Maybe not as great if he Practiced a bit more but was he able to play without any Handicap : yes
5 . was he able to win Cap / de-cap nodes : Yes

all those points = Team Viablilty
weather or no Ranger is Viable even if it is in the Alright Catagory because the build he was running Was not Opptimaised to its Full potentional he missed fears , used CC at wrong times and generaly could of done better , including using Taunt or Wolf fear while being more than the required units away.

on that note , he played well , the build is good could he be the +1 in G,W,E,E yes the class can and since it is a option I class that as Viable!

Elincia.5174:

I was the elementalist on the other team and I have no idea how any of you would get offended by that. I am very familiar with the team we fought and am friends with most of them. It was literally playful banter. There was no harmful intention behind it. This hasn’t been the first time those words have been used in Guild Wars 2 and won’t be the last. If you have children watching COMPETITIVE tournaments, then that’s at your hands, not the players. I am not limiting my language because of a couple kids watching. It is the Internet, nothing is censored. You should be the smart one to figure that out.

The sad thing is that the SJWs will keep posting regardless of your clarification.

Velimere.7685:

Elincia.5174:

I was the elementalist on the other team and I have no idea how any of you would get offended by that. I am very familiar with the team we fought and am friends with most of them. It was literally playful banter. There was no harmful intention behind it. This hasn’t been the first time those words have been used in Guild Wars 2 and won’t be the last. If you have children watching COMPETITIVE tournaments, then that’s at your hands, not the players. I am not limiting my language because of a couple kids watching. It is the Internet, nothing is censored. You should be the smart one to figure that out.

The sad thing is that the SJWs will keep posting regardless of your clarification.

yeah. social differences are actually very nice because it makes the game more exciting, funnier, memorable etc.

the video of op was nothing special and not out of order. troll thread

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

Discussing the Viablity ..it not what this topic was about but i’ve got 5 points for you.

1. did the Ranger Successfuly Support in the role of prevention on Far into Mid : yes
2. was the Build able to Stand upto Meta builds : yes
3. Did the build provide Ample CC : yes
4. Was the player a Great ranger Maybe not as great if he Practiced a bit more but was he able to play without any Handicap : yes
5 . was he able to win Cap / de-cap nodes : Yes

all those points = Team Viablilty
weather or no Ranger is Viable even if it is in the Alright Catagory because the build he was running Was not Opptimaised to its Full potentional he missed fears , used CC at wrong times and generaly could of done better , including using Taunt or Wolf fear while being more than the required units away.

on that note , he played well , the build is good could he be the +1 in G,W,E,E yes the class can and since it is a option I class that as Viable!

On topic, I think that the OP is making a storm in a glass of water, the same for all the other people complaining about the commentaries, it actually is good to see someone commenting on plays, skill usage and teamcomps like Nos did, even professional sports casters do this on Football, Soccer and even Olympic events,what made them actually lash out is beyond me.

Returning to your post if something is viable it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s optimal, if we’re talking of things at a competitive level being viable is not enough, you have to perform the best you can and that includes teamwork, communication, personal skill and skills as a whole team, 1 player doesn’t make a team, 1 bad play doesn’t lose a game, but accumulated bad choices, bad plays, bad communication and lack of skill and teamwork do, the team as a whole took some bad decisions as the casters stated and that made them lose.

See those NFL Players that are 6’2 and 264lb? they used drugs to enhance themselves even if they say they don’t and even if the tests say they don’t, why do they do it? it’s the most effective way to achieve such a heavy weight and having that much muscle to achieve optimal performance in their sport, the same goes for cyclists, gymnasts or any other sportsman.

Every profession can be viable if you have the personal skill to make it viable, if it is optimal for a given role is a completely different thing, that’s why metagames exist, if something gives you the best results with the least effort, or it has a high risk high reward approach but you’re actually can manage it well, you’re gonna use it, top players and teams follow this concept in every e-sports game at a competitive level, that’s why you see teams running 2 mesmers, 2 eles, 1 thief nowadays. Even Phantaram has stated Abjured he wanted to make a team with the best players he could find of what he thought were the strongest professions to have the best results they could, go ask the guys that’ve won WTS and they’ll probably agree with that, why? simple they earn extra money for their daily life out of that.

If you’re not at a competitive player, you can play solo with a condition signet Elementalist or a Cavalier Signets Warrior, just don’t expect people on your team to welcome, cheer on you and react well if you don’t perform as expected even if you’re not palying at a top level.

Elincia.5174:

I was the elementalist on the other team and I have no idea how any of you would get offended by that. I am very familiar with the team we fought and am friends with most of them. It was literally playful banter. There was no harmful intention behind it. This hasn’t been the first time those words have been used in Guild Wars 2 and won’t be the last. If you have children watching COMPETITIVE tournaments, then that’s at your hands, not the players. I am not limiting my language because of a couple kids watching. It is the Internet, nothing is censored. You should be the smart one to figure that out.

Take a look at the board, it’s full of whining about nerfing classes instead of asking for advice to get better, sparring partners or hardcounter to x or y builds/professions. If I’ve seen anything is people ranting from elitism in this game end up acting the same as the elitist people they call out, if they don’t like something they’ll just rant and neglect in the same way, go try and give advice to someone and you’ll get the next answer: I know what I’m doing I’ve been playing since beta, have 50,000 APs, it’s just a game, and kitten you I play whatever I want, whenever I want. The best thing to do is to just go on, shut up, and ignore them like you would do in your daily life, sucks because at least in PvP the competitive community won’t grow for good if people don’t try to get better at the game, I might come of as rude or whatever but it’s just a fact, you have to try to get better until you get better at something and hey you might as well get yourself something useful, like some extra money from weekly tourneys, it’s not much but it can pay your gas or something.

a load of baffle , so yes Viable but his build was not Optimised nor used to its full Potentional i saw so many missed f2’s or he forgot to use F2’s but he still was able to play well enough even at a 75% Attention level i say 75% attention level because he forgot about the pet quite a few times.

where or not it was optimal or not , did it do the Job! did it Meet expectations yes it did ergo its Viable , just say its Viable and get on with it stop trying to make reasons to keep it out of Team set ups , people will not learn to Effectively play ranger if they don’t play it often enough in a Competent team or a team that knows how to manipulate a rangers ability to cover two caps at one time , if those caps are +1’ed.

he was the 3rd ranger i’ve seen in a Tournament and nearly all of them we’re playing without enough practice or just " was not having a good day" but still managed to get to semis or finals , the fact they can do that without letting down the team just means they are A Acceptable choice for a +1 slot.

none of this Optimal crap Real life is different , if our charaters could use Drugs to boost performance that would be hacking , if a player himself used Drugs to improve Reaction times that would be vastly clear with a Eye test so no, thats not being optimal the Abjured chose those classes because they already knew what those classes could do and went by face Value of the Utilities simple straight forward here is Play Tactic A , somthing happens heres Tactic B which is only possible using a Mass invis and might stacking team ect.

ranger has not had the chance to be a Main Feature of a team comp since they have to build around a old Preexsisting team comp which has not changed classes or set up , it is still Port tactics be it lighting flash or blink or ports with might stacking , medi guards ports ect.

Ranger Requires A different type of Team comp which has not been Tried yet and that is the reason why they are not choosen people just don’t know how to utilize a Ranger on a team which only knows how to do Port Tactics or Stealth tactics , beyond that you have Engis,necros and rangers which play on a Equal but totaly Different type of team style.

seeing D/d after the patch again and mesmer after patch again + guardains again , same old its getting boring if the AG is just a Friendly Tournament why not try somthing different that the same old stuff we;ve seen for years Excluding the breef time Spirit ranger was viable.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

ranger has not had the chance to be a Main Feature of a team comp since they have to build around a old Preexsisting team comp which has not changed classes or set up , it is still Port tactics be it lighting flash or blink or ports with might stacking , medi guards ports ect.

Ranger Requires A different type of Team comp which has not been Tried yet and that is the reason why they are not choosen people just don’t know how to utilize a Ranger on a team which only knows how to do Port Tactics or Stealth tactics , beyond that you have Engis,necros and rangers which play on a Equal but totaly Different type of team style.

Again whats used is the most effective, even if it’s not a way to enhance directly 100% the performance of a player, IMO what you’re trying to do is speak about Rangers being called as bad, top players not using Rangers or Rangers being out of the meta, so that’s a rant between the lines so I’m assuming you play Ranger… anyways I do agree with you, the guy wasn’t playing at the whole potential of the build, meaning he still has room to grow, mix and match and fine tune.

There in fact have been teams with Rangers and top players using Rangers, take ROM fas an example he used Ranger in a match against TCG in the last Go4 cup, and if I remember well rank 55 dragons also ran with ranger in some matches and made it to the finals several times.

Another problem is that there’s not someone at least in the scene that can play Ranger at the same level as let’s say Chaith or Helseth can play their professions, if there was that kind of player it would actually benefit the reputation of ranger and thus it would get picked more often.

Wanna see 3x the toxic behavior seen in the video? Follow higher tier Moba players; their twitch channels and forum posts.

This is nothing compared to the Esports world.. there’s hardly any drama on the forums regarding other specific players.

Oh noes naughty language in a game, I’m so offended. So not professional, oh wait because it’s not a profession but a game.
/nope

Im sorry i saw nothing wrong, i know alot of people here are key board warriors but to alot of these guys its probably there sport. I can recall alot of trash talking and maybe not the best sportsmanship growing up in bball tourneys.

Lastly why cant the dude have his opinion? Hes not fond of rangers and the ranger was a really good player. People didnt like Dirk Nowitzki and guess what if a 1 ranger can come out of GW2 the equivalent of that guy, the ranger bashing will stop.