Guild Wars 2

As of March 18, players will gain more rank points from every mode of pvp.
While this is good, it’s a slap in the face for every high-rank player out there.
It makes every player’s rank less significant if it’s easier to get it.
It’s the same thing they did with the new pvp merchant – offering high rank pvp gear to everyone, making it much less prestige.

Since pvp berly rewards any achievement points, the only actual achievement you get is ranks. You’ll see top pvp players with like 3k AP, while top pve players have over 10k.
Why doesn’t ANet compensate high-rank players with this change? It would make sense that every player would -one time only- get some AP based on their current rank:
Rank 10 would get 200 AP, rank 60 would get 5000 AP.

I don’t think it’s fair that people who invested a lot in pvp were not rewarded for it and now their achievements are even less significant.
I don’t think it’s fair that PvE players get so much more AP than pvp players.

Do something about this ANet. Stop punishing veteran pvp players. Compensate veteran pvp players for not being rewarded before these changes were implemented.

As much as I don’t want to defend Anet on this one I think you missed the whole thing.

AP is not for PvE or PvP or WvW only it is for the game as a whole or to be specifically it is for AP farmer who can play every contents in the game, can you do that or rather would you do that? No you won’t because you would rather play PvP only.

As for reward, everyone should have the right chose whatever fashion they wish to have given enough time. It is incredibly stupid to have to play PvP casually for over 10 years to just to reach rank 80 so that you can buy a T3 armor. On the other hand for veteran PvP players Anet should have something else offer for them for their time playing PvP which is something Anet failed from the beginning. One can only hope they get it right this time.

As far as I know, they havent even punished ppl who exploited skyhammer.

There’s also no compensation for all the glory boosters which will become worthless, or compensation in gold for the games palyed before you got money out pvp.

ANet doesnt care. Realize it.

everything about the upcoming changes shafts long term pvpers:

1. moving over to the gold/karma/whatever system will mean that PVEers will have a huge advantage since they have earned alot more gold/karma/whatever than pvpers.
what should they have done?
kept glory, it was fine, just change the way we unlock skins, change it to something like a glory shop where we can purchase all armour/weapon skins (with increasing prices for better skins)

2. as you said, increasing rank points now is a slap in the face to everyone whos taken years to reach high ranks, which the new players will be able to reach in a much shorter time.
what should they have done?
reduce the points per rank for the higher ranks, that way the high ranks won’t be getting cheated by new players reaching their rank in shorter amount of time, but reaching 80 won’t seem so impossible.

3. pvp/pve skins transferable, again PVEers are getting rewarded, since they have so many more skins, and easier access to them, not to mention legendaries.
what should they have done?
added all skins to pvp, and also added the glory shop i mentioned in 1.

i guess we can wait to see, but i can’t really see a plus side to any of the coming changes.

DanSH.6143:

Since pvp berly rewards any achievement points, the only actual achievement you get is ranks.

I get most of my pvp APs from the wins/profession tracks.

anywho.. a lot of these “veterans” with tons of rank points just farmed them in skyhammer anyway.. it’s nothing special or prestigious

DanSH.6143:

While this is good, it’s a slap in the face for every high-rank player out there.

So true. Many Pvp players played over 1 year to reach r50+. Even now it is possible to get r50 in less then 1 month.

Siva Mira.3546:

As much as I don’t want to defend Anet on this one I think you missed the whole thing.

AP is not for PvE or PvP or WvW only it is for the game as a whole or to be specifically it is for AP farmer who can play every contents in the game, can you do that or rather would you do that? No you won’t because you would rather play PvP only.

As for reward, everyone should have the right chose whatever fashion they wish to have given enough time. It is incredibly stupid to have to play PvP casually for over 10 years to just to reach rank 80 so that you can buy a T3 armor. On the other hand for veteran PvP players Anet should have something else offer for them for their time playing PvP which is something Anet failed from the beginning. One can only hope they get it right this time.

I Agree ranking up shouldn’t be so slow, and increasing rank gained is a good move. But compensating veteran players is crucial if such move is taken.

AP awards gold, gems, and account bonuses. PvE player’s acounts (not talking about ap farmers) are averagely better to play in, than pvp player’s accounts.
Over the past 1.5 year, a casual PvE player could already get several legendaries, a couple thousands gold, at the very least 8k AP, millions of Karma, minis, endless-tonics, etc.

While a dedicated hardcore PvP player would get 0 gold until the last pvp patch, 0 karma, not more than 3k AP, no legendaries, etc.
The pvp player did get to rank 60-70, which is now a lot easier to do, and would get even easier with the recent patch.
The player did get high-rank pvp gear, that most of it is now available to anyone at any rank via glory.

I’m up for any changes that would encourage PvE players to play PvP, and any changes that would make PvP feel more progressive. But within these changes veteran PvP players should be compensated for not being rewarded before these changes were implemented.

This is just one of many things that ANET has done to show that they just don’t give a crap about the veteran PVP players. And people wonder why the PVP community is kittened?

isolatedchimp.2510:

This is just one of many things that ANET has done to show that they just don’t give a crap about the veteran PVP players. And people wonder why the PVP community is kittened?

Let’s be honest here are they enough veteran PvPers to warrant actively pandering their every whim and needs?

It seems me if you only read this forum, that whatever future sPvP has, it is in the hands of the newer players not veterans.

something tells me that pvp’ers don’t give a flying kitten about AP

most veteran players complain about same issues as new players including
- lack of game modes/maps
- meaningless leaderboards
- lack of rewards
- balance issues/meta
- skyhammer duhhh
etc.

i didn’t meet a single player that been doing pvp since beta that complained about AP or people getting more rank points; i think for them it is also a plus, since they probably won’t have to pvp for another year to get to dragon…

silvermember.8941:

isolatedchimp.2510:

This is just one of many things that ANET has done to show that they just don’t give a crap about the veteran PVP players. And people wonder why the PVP community is kittened?

Let’s be honest here are they enough veteran PvPers to warrant actively pandering their every whim and needs?

It seems me if you only read this forum, that whatever future sPvP has, it is in the hands of the newer players not veterans.

I can’t speak for others but I’m currently still playing. But the way things are, I might just go take a long break again.

And it’s funny how you say “pander to their every whim and needs”. What exactly has ANET done to pander to veteran players at all? You made it sound like veteran players always had their way. I mean ANET can’t even put out a balance patch that didn’t take longer than a few months.

@OP: First rank is blah. I could care less what they do with it.

The bigger issue in my mind is that they are removing rewards for PvP without introducing something new. Keep the system in place as-is until a new rewards system is ready.

isolatedchimp.2510:

silvermember.8941:

isolatedchimp.2510:

This is just one of many things that ANET has done to show that they just don’t give a crap about the veteran PVP players. And people wonder why the PVP community is kittened?

Let’s be honest here are they enough veteran PvPers to warrant actively pandering their every whim and needs?

It seems me if you only read this forum, that whatever future sPvP has, it is in the hands of the newer players not veterans.

I can’t speak for others but I’m currently still playing. But the way things are, I might just go take a long break again.

And it’s funny how you say “pander to their every whim and needs”. What exactly has ANET done to pander to veteran players at all? You made it sound like veteran players always had their way. I mean ANET can’t even put out a balance patch that didn’t take longer than a few months.

Pandering might have been a strong word to use. More like they get a lot of lip (which is totally deserved) from the forum veterans and given the gloom and doom that is the constant theme on this forum, trying to turn that around might be a lost cause.

@OP: First rank is blah. I could care less what they do with it.

The bigger issue in my mind is that they are removing rewards for PvP without introducing something new. Keep the system in place as-is until a new rewards system is ready.

still don’t understand the logic behind that. At best we get a patch 2 weeks from march 18 (highly unlikely).

DanSH.6143:

It makes every player’s rank less significant if it’s easier to get it.

Ranks will most likely be extended into the hundreds with exclusive rewards being retroactive and obtained at a constant rate. Just because it will take less time to rank than it did at launch does not mean it is a slap in the face to all the veterans who will still have a higher rank than new players.

The only slap in the face are farmers able to keep their ranks, however, with exclusive rewards tied to ladders it won’t matter as much.

You understand that these changes are not to benefit you but to get more players from WvW and pve?

They dont really care about the small population of players/masochists that actually played pvp this long.

Should make rank points be removed if you die or lose a match =]

Cynz.9437:

something tells me that pvp’ers don’t give a flying kitten about AP

most veteran players complain about same issues as new players including
- lack of game modes/maps
- meaningless leaderboards
- lack of rewards
- balance issues/meta
- skyhammer duhhh
etc.

i didn’t meet a single player that been doing pvp since beta that complained about AP or people getting more rank points; i think for them it is also a plus, since they probably won’t have to pvp for another year to get to dragon…

You said it yourself, lack of rewards.

They simply don’t give a duck about pr0 or old players,they only want to push ppl to play spvp…but the only thing they’re are doing atm is to upset people with balance problems,skyhammer,spirit watch,blablabla, the same bla bla bla since 9 months…
relax,they won’t fix a duck as always…relax and enjoy the meta builds.
warrior is op? perfect,play warrior.
thief is op? perfect,play thief and so on…
why should i be upset about being permanent-oneshotted by a pistol whip thief when i play my ducking ele?np,i’ll play a wp thief too.

imho opinion they could remove glory points,ranks,and so on,the pvp is dead and they could simply delete the heart of the mist from the game,why should we play a game without rewards,skins,and so on for a 1,5 year with the same game mode,with the silly balance lol? just remove pvp from the game and gj,we will have only pve contents every 2 weeks with bugged boss,bugged events, all ducking bugged cause every thing they are doing isn’t tested at 100%…but HEYYYYwe will have a beautiful living story,YEAHHH!!!!

Oh ya I totally forgot all 9f these changes are probably fueled mainly by the chinese market. So just think of na and eu as beta testing for other potential markets.

ranks are already meaningless, it doesn’t matter

rank points was never something that motivated us to spvp. thought anet was focused on how to motivate players.

Swagginator.3246:

rank points was never something that motivated us to spvp. thought anet was focused on how to motivate players.

Speak for yourself. Rank points motivated me. Without them, I would never play PvP since there’s no other sense of progression. I’ve almost hit r50 and I would be kittened if others got it much more easily than I did.

Rewards – they are what motivate us to keep playing an MMO.

You need to play the whole game for maximum AP.

Instead of giving more rang points they should change the rang points requiered for the upper levels.

Well for someone who never farmed anything and hit rank 50 just liek week ago i would want some reward if you make ranks less meaningful or at least some LUBE

Nah I want to rank up faster

2 rank 60+ accounts within reach…. Heaaavvvyy

I could understand the “no retroactiv money for you” attitude considering how it may have been bad for the game’s economics on a scale larger than just pvp.

Then there was the 2x reward for soloQ and 3x for TQ.
Well, no retroactive rewards again.
As it looked more like a bonus than an actual balance i could deal with it, even though, well, ok, let’s move on.

But this ?
I don’t understand.
Ranks are a pvp only currency, where in the world would it be hurtful for the game not to say screw you no retroactive stuff this time again ?

Should i really shove my 6k games up my little cat and say forget it, i just lost thousands of rank points just because, hey look there’s something behind you /run ?
Is there a logical explanation that eludes me ? Would it be bad for the game’s economics ?

Anet ? Anyone ?

ranks in spvp is a level up system of: “hey look how much you scored” aka leveling up. not a currency, that was glory, which is now meaningless to as it’s being removed. the only reward we’re left with is gold, and it’s god kitten low.
i doubt anyone have time to win 50 games in a day in order to reach cap and then go “hey ill call it a day”.
WoW had more logic in their 10 arena games per day cap, and players still did more arena games when they felt like it.

rank points isn’t a motivation. for low level players they would try to gain the points as quick as possible just to be able to craft better looking gears and that’s it. but when you are at 40 or 50, there is no motivation at all and for most, reaching 60 seemed to hopeless to go for considering the amount of time it takes.

Just be thankful, Anet’s original intent was to remove both Glory and Rank.