Guild Wars 2

Hi there.

For the TL;DR people who don’t want to waste their time – this talks about how Sigil of Torment/Earth can bypass the Incendiary Powder/Soothing Wave nullification

If you are unaware, when an Engi vs Ele using the Engi’s Incendiary Powder against the Ele’s Soothing Wave whilst having Cleansing Wave (6 into Water traitline), Soothing mist will completely nullify Incendiary Powder since they have the both internal cooldown as well as behaving critically.

I have tested a curve around this nullification and have figured out that Sigils that apply a condition on critical hit can work through these two traits:

Sigil of Torment/Earth – When applied, most of the time, Incendiary Powder will be nullified against Soothing Wave. An odd event that the sigil will crit before Incendiary Powder and will break the interval canceling between both traits. This will last a few intervals but will go back to the two traits nullifying eachother again. Note that these 2 specific traits are divisible by 10 seconds (soothing mist/incendiary powder ICD), meaning they are able to occur before or after the trait(as in the condition can be applied before or after burning) – that is why this is able to happen. Sigil of Blight will not work because it is not in the interval divisibility and will never apply when both traits proc.

Even though this is not 100% guaranteed, the meta sigils for the Celestial Rifle engi should still be considered since it does not perform the best overall but only specifically against eles whereas it doesn’t always bypass the two traits nullifying eachother.

Although, I would still consider this as an option because of possible scenarios of a 1v1(engi vs ele) on point, engi would have an upperhand against the ele if the sigil procs before the trait since a good meta cele ele against a good meta cele engi would be stalemate.

Thanks for reading.

Crucify.1649:

Hi there.

For the TL;DR people who don’t want to waste their time – this talks about how Sigil of Torment/Earth can bypass the Incendiary Powder/Soothing Mist nullification

If you are unaware, when an Engi vs Ele using the Engi’s Incendiary Powder against the Ele’s Soothing Mist whilst having Cleansing Wave (6 into Water traitline), Soothing mist will completely nullify Incendiary Powder since they have the both internal cooldown as well as behaving critically.

I have tested a curve around this nullification and have figured out that Sigils that apply a condition on critical hit can work through these two traits:

Sigil of Torment/Earth – When applied, most of the time, Incendiary Powder will be nullified against Soothing Mist. An odd event that the sigil will crit before Incendiary Powder and will break the interval canceling between both traits. This will last a few intervals but will go back to the two traits nullifying eachother again. Note that these 2 specific traits are divisible by 10 seconds (soothing mist/incendiary powder ICD), meaning they are able to occur before or after the trait(as in the condition can be applied before or after burning) – that is why this is able to happen. Sigil of Blight will not work because it is not in the interval divisibility and will never apply when both traits proc.

Even though this is not 100% guaranteed, the meta sigils for the Celestial Rifle engi should still be considered since it does not perform the best overall but only specifically against eles whereas it doesn’t even bypass the two traits nullifying eachother.

Although, I would still consider this as an option because of possible scenarios of a 1v1(engi vs ele) on point, engi would have an upperhand against the ele if the sigil procs before the trait since a good meta cele ele against a good meta cele engi would be stalemate.

Thanks for reading.

I read the TL;DR.

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t condi removal FIFO? As an engi, you should be able to cover IP with no problem. I don’t see the point of this thread. You are also comparing a GM and M traits vs 1 m trait…

@Gabriell.4856 – No, condition removal is not FIFO in this case. At first, I thought this too. The reason why this is an issue because when burning procs on crit (Incendiary Powder), Regen on crit (Soothing Wave)will also happen at the same time which means it will automatically trigger the Cleansing Wave trait; removing burning instanteously. You will not see this with your eyes.

Crucify.1649:

@Gabriell.4856 – No, condition removal is not FIFO in this case. At first, I thought this too. The reason why this is an issue because when burning procs on crit (Incendiary Powder), Regen on crit (Soothing Mist)will also happen at the same time which means it will automatically trigger the Cleansing Wave trait; removing burning instanteously. You will not see this with your eyes.

Still, that doesn’t justify comparing now…3 traits to 1…

@Gabriell.4856 – I’m not very sure why you’re “comparing”. It’s not a comparison between Incendiary Powder and Soothing Mist, it’s a chain reaction from applying Incendiary Powder on crit, to gaining regen when crit, and removing a condition when you gain regen.

Crucify.1649:

@Gabriell.4856 – I’m not very sure why you’re “comparing”. It’s not a comparison between Incendiary Powder and Soothing Mist, it’s a chain reaction from applying Incendiary Powder on crit, to gaining regen when crit, and removing a condition when you gain regen.

I know, its a chain reaction of three traits which are soothing mist, cleansing water, and cleansing wave. Still don’t think your observation worth a review when you are talking about 1 master trait being countered by 3 traits.

/thread

@Gabriell.4856 – I’m not sure how you’re getting 3 traits but, if your only argument is still a comparison (“1 master trait being countered by 3 traits.”) after I explained it, then there’s no real reason for me to explain to you.

Thanks for reading anyways.

This is a pointless thread really. It’s not like IP is too weak. Stop complaining about a master and grandmaster trait can counter it.

Do you want the dhuumfire treatment?

@Laraley.7695 – I’m not sure how you saw a complaint out of anything in what I said, but I have yet to complain. But what you said was as pointless as what Gabriell.4856 was trying to troll about.

I never considered this, and have been informed. Thread successful.

Omg, it’s like people saw Incendiary Powder in the title and came in here ready to throw down arguments without even understanding the thread in the slightest bit. Too funny. And an educational read as well. This thread is a win.

Crucify.1649:

@Laraley.7695 – I’m not sure how you saw a complaint out of anything in what I said, but I have yet to complain. But what you said was as pointless as what Gabriell.4856 was trying to troll about.

So, this thread is here just to inform us that two condi cleanse traits will counter a trait that causes conditions?

Shall we start topics like ‘’Corrupt boon nullifies Balanced stance’’?

@Boggs.6482 and Shaogin.2679, I appreciate the response!

well nice find there, it was interesting to read and comprehend.

Laraley.7695:

Crucify.1649:

@Laraley.7695 – I’m not sure how you saw a complaint out of anything in what I said, but I have yet to complain. But what you said was as pointless as what Gabriell.4856 was trying to troll about.

So, this thread is here just to inform us that two condi cleanse traits will counter a trait that causes conditions?

Shall we start topics like ‘’Corrupt boon nullifies Balanced stance’’?

Poor Laraley, reading is hard, it’s ok. Go find you a nice easy troll thread to argue in, might make ya feel better. ;P

OP isn’t complaining about anything. He’s saying that, ordinarily, soothing wave + cleansing water will counteract IP because they have the same ICD and trigger conditions (10s on crit). OP then points out that the engie can get around this by equipping sigil of torment (ICD of 5s) or sigil of earth (ICD 2s). There’s a chance that when you proc IP, you will also proc one of these sigils, and the ele’s soothing wave + cleansing wave combo will sometimes clear the torment/bleed rather than the burning.

To the OP: I think an easier workaround to consider would be to just proc IP with a skill that already applies conditions (such as Grenades 2-5, or any of the pistol skills). I haven’t actually tested which condition Soothing Wave + Cleansing Water prioritizes if you get hit with a Grenade2 (bleeding) that also procs burning, though. But using this method would let you get around having to equip suboptimal sigils.

@jim.5380 – Thank you for reading! Glad you enjoyed it

@ResJudicator.7916 – Yeah, that is what I would think would happen but because both traits are both on crit with the same interval, IP will always trigger Soothing Wave instantly. Note that condition-applying weapon skills like Grenades 2-5 or any of the pistol skills are not on crit and apply regardless of the situation and will not affect Soothing Wave whatsoever. The only thing I cannot explain is the Sharpshooter minor trait (applies bleeding on crit with 33% proc and no interval cooldown), but it does make sense that since both traits are 10s, they would have to work against eachother at the same time. A great suggestion and would be beneficial if it worked so you wouldn’t have to use on crit sigils to work around this!