Guild Wars 2

OMG I am so enranged with ANET. Boo Hoo Mesmers won a few matches, nuke nerf them for a couple of years again.

I need to go spend my money on Black Desert or Star Citizen because the devs seem to have a personal issue with Mesmers.

As a mesmer main.
Bunker mesmer was OP, and unfun to play.

calm down it was the worst build of all time. not only massively OP but so annoying to fight against, it simply made pvp not fun on any level of play. it ruined the pro league and the league system launch. props to devs for hotfixing it. The build is still OP in a way, but at least it has a major downside.

Mesmer is so strong in general due to alacrity, it will still have a place in the meta. But at least this bunker abomination is dead.

Pro players don’t complain about a class for being “balanced”. These aren’t noobs who should learn to play but very skilled players.

Stilgar.6437:

calm down it was the worst build of all time. not only massively OP but so annoying to fight against, it simply made pvp not fun on any level of play. it ruined the pro league and the league system launch. props to devs for hotfixing it. The build is still OP in a way, but at least it has a major downside.

Mesmer is so strong in general due to alacrity, it will still have a place in the meta. But at least this bunker abomination is dead.

So very wrong.

DD ele after spec patch before they nerfed blinding ashes was the worst build of all time. They literally had to change the ESL rules to prevent people bringing 4 and a thief and dominating any team not bringing 4 eles.

Funny how people forget the way teams stacked 2-3 of guards, engies, eles and warriors at various times but suddenly lose their kitten if 2 of necro, ranger, mesmer and probably thief get stacked.

apharma.3741:

Stilgar.6437:

calm down it was the worst build of all time. not only massively OP but so annoying to fight against, it simply made pvp not fun on any level of play. it ruined the pro league and the league system launch. props to devs for hotfixing it. The build is still OP in a way, but at least it has a major downside.

Mesmer is so strong in general due to alacrity, it will still have a place in the meta. But at least this bunker abomination is dead.

So very wrong.

DD ele after spec patch before they nerfed blinding ashes was the worst build of all time. They literally had to change the ESL rules to prevent people bringing 4 and a thief and dominating any team not bringing 4 eles.

Funny how people forget the way teams stacked 2-3 of guards, engies, eles and warriors at various times but suddenly lose their kitten if 2 of necro, ranger, mesmer and probably thief get stacked.

DD Ele was the worst in terms of single profession stacking during ESL tournies (still never went past 2 Eles on a team at the top levels), but games back then didn’t have scores of 35-0 after 10 minutes of play without a single cap for either team. That’s the difference between DD Ele and Bunker Mesmer. Both were dominant builds, but one at least allowed the game to progress.

Soryuju.8164:

apharma.3741:

Stilgar.6437:

calm down it was the worst build of all time. not only massively OP but so annoying to fight against, it simply made pvp not fun on any level of play. it ruined the pro league and the league system launch. props to devs for hotfixing it. The build is still OP in a way, but at least it has a major downside.

Mesmer is so strong in general due to alacrity, it will still have a place in the meta. But at least this bunker abomination is dead.

So very wrong.

DD ele after spec patch before they nerfed blinding ashes was the worst build of all time. They literally had to change the ESL rules to prevent people bringing 4 and a thief and dominating any team not bringing 4 eles.

Funny how people forget the way teams stacked 2-3 of guards, engies, eles and warriors at various times but suddenly lose their kitten if 2 of necro, ranger, mesmer and probably thief get stacked.

DD Ele was the worst in terms of single profession stacking during ESL tournies (still never went past 2 Eles on a team at the top levels), but games back then didn’t have scores of 35-0 after 10 minutes of play without a single cap for either team. That’s the difference between DD Ele and Bunker Mesmer. Both were dominant builds, but one at least allowed the game to progress.

Thats because DD Ele couldn’t see future!

I believe it’s a vendetta against Mesmers. I was so happy when Chronomancer came out. But they make a special hotfix to nerf it. That just makes me so angry I don’t know what to do. Why can’t anet let Mesmer be successful?

apharma.3741:

Stilgar.6437:

calm down it was the worst build of all time. not only massively OP but so annoying to fight against, it simply made pvp not fun on any level of play. it ruined the pro league and the league system launch. props to devs for hotfixing it. The build is still OP in a way, but at least it has a major downside.

Mesmer is so strong in general due to alacrity, it will still have a place in the meta. But at least this bunker abomination is dead.

So very wrong.

DD ele after spec patch before they nerfed blinding ashes was the worst build of all time. They literally had to change the ESL rules to prevent people bringing 4 and a thief and dominating any team not bringing 4 eles.

Funny how people forget the way teams stacked 2-3 of guards, engies, eles and warriors at various times but suddenly lose their kitten if 2 of necro, ranger, mesmer and probably thief get stacked.

Both builds were unhealthy but the d/d ele right after June 23 patch was the most powerful build in the history of this game. Unlike chrono bunker that could hold off 2 maybe 3 opponents, post June 23 d/d ele had enough dps to actually down the 2-3 opponents.

Ithilwen.1529:

OMG I am so enranged with ANET. Boo Hoo Mesmers won a few matches, nuke nerf them for a couple of years again.

I need to go spend my money on Black Desert or Star Citizen because the devs seem to have a personal issue with Mesmers.

Take a look at the state of PvP. Even mesmers wanted this change looking at the mesmer forum.

apharma.3741:

Stilgar.6437:

calm down it was the worst build of all time. not only massively OP but so annoying to fight against, it simply made pvp not fun on any level of play. it ruined the pro league and the league system launch. props to devs for hotfixing it. The build is still OP in a way, but at least it has a major downside.

Mesmer is so strong in general due to alacrity, it will still have a place in the meta. But at least this bunker abomination is dead.

So very wrong.

DD ele after spec patch before they nerfed blinding ashes was the worst build of all time. They literally had to change the ESL rules to prevent people bringing 4 and a thief and dominating any team not bringing 4 eles.

Funny how people forget the way teams stacked 2-3 of guards, engies, eles and warriors at various times but suddenly lose their kitten if 2 of necro, ranger, mesmer and probably thief get stacked.

not a lot of people complained about d/d ele as much as i did. but the chrono kitten is/was way worse. at least you could hit the ele with attacks. and no meta ever was worse then this 0-0 evade everything, cap 1 point to win a match BS.

Ithilwen.1529:

OMG I am so enranged with ANET. Boo Hoo Mesmers won a few matches, nuke nerf them for a couple of years again.

I need to go spend my money on Black Desert or Star Citizen because the devs seem to have a personal issue with Mesmers.

Seriously, stop being so dramatic and start thinking smartly.

I really don’t get how people can defend something so gamebreaking as WoP was. Do you really want things like this to be in game?

Bunker Chrono created a boring meta where many games didn’t even get to 300 points. Well of precog had a bad initial design and there is really no defending it. I didn’t know there were people who enjoyed a meta like this. Hopefully this nerf is enough to do away with it. Even if there are bunker tempests and druids, I doubt as many
(if many at all) games will go to time limit.

Y’all must be playing a different PvP or watching paid players on twitch. I’ve litterally never had a game even approach time limit in the current season.

Ithilwen.1529:

Y’all must be playing a different PvP or watching paid players on twitch. I’ve litterally never had a game even approach time limit in the current season.

The players you are playing with and against arent very good then.

I’m actually gratified that I’m largely being matched with players near my level at this point. Based on your signature, you are an outlier. The fact is that most PvP players are closer to my level than to yours.

ANET needs to be looking at regular people matches. Twitch and youtube don’t represent the vast majority of players.

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m actually gratified that I’m largely being matched with players near my level at this point. Based on your signature, you are an outlier. The fact is that most PvP players are closer to my level than to yours.

ANET needs to be looking at regular people matches. Twitch and youtube don’t represent the vast majority of players.

While this is true, you must take into account that high level games are how the game is played if played at the skill threshold. Which also means that if they ignore us, we will be stuck with 3 point splits right from the get go and bunkers fighting for points for an eternity resulting in the game hitting the timer rather than score limit.

Also, twitch and youtube are how they promote their game so..

- post june 23 dd ele – you could still kill it but it probably killed you first

- chronobunker – you’ve wasted all your CDs on it and still has full hp and node capped. no worries it prolly cant kill you but it has CCs and boons that will help his teammates kill you real fast

Although the ele was more powerful, chronobunker had greater influence and control in conquest. I think they are still good but just not as godly.

If you think mesmers feel weak after this nerf, it’s a l2p issue.

Ithilwen.1529:

That just makes me so angry I don’t know what to do.

I main a vanilla s/d thief. Let’s trade classes for a week and we can each gain a little perspective.