I just don’t get this condi: whenever i use it in PvP as Thief it seems that it doesn’t have any effect on my opponents. I can spam Blindness forever but still being destroyed within 4 or 5 seconds lol. If i use it on pve mobs, especially Black Powder and Shadow Shot, it works as intended, but in PvP, nope. I use Shadow Shot on Guardian, he hits me for 50% of my health in next 0.5 seconds. Blind him again and again with Shadow Shot or Black Powder, nothing happened, i am dead just 3 sec latter.
I understand there is a condi cleanse in the game but they can’t just spam it, like i can spam Blindness, right? How can my opponent hits me over and over again in melee range, if i stand in Black Powder is beyond me.
Once a single attack misses it goes away. Plus all the normal cleanse applies so it can be a very short lived condition. And an attack with multiple strikes will only miss on the first strike.
Blinding Powder pulses so they miss one attack every pulse they are hit with. However, if they are hit twice before they attack it still is only one attack that is missed (stacks duration).
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It’s good if you know enemy skills & attacks, if you see a certain skill coming and you have a quick blind available that will make that one attack miss.
In general it’s kinda hard to use well though. But just know hat the next attack they do will miss.
But yeah, it’s rather useless against moves with multiple hits.
In your example of guardian most use smite condition and have quite a number of cleanses, smite condition will cleanse the blind and hit you for more damage because it cleansed. Then you’ll have the attack they throw out added on top of that so you take a big chunk of damage anyway.
That’s without mentioning how DH has a much better match up vs the thief in PvP anyway.
If you were fighting a necro then blind would be significantly stronger as you can dodge the few multi hitting attacks and blind the few strong hitting attacks. There’s also a lot of other places where shadowshot is much more useful and against some off meta builds it’s far better too but you’re not likely to see them in PvP.
I just don’t get this condi: whenever i use it in PvP as Thief it seems that it doesn’t have any effect on my opponents. I can spam Blindness forever but still being destroyed within 4 or 5 seconds lol. If i use it on pve mobs, especially Black Powder and Shadow Shot, it works as intended, but in PvP, nope. I use Shadow Shot on Guardian, he hits me for 50% of my health in next 0.5 seconds. Blind him again and again with Shadow Shot or Black Powder, nothing happened, i am dead just 3 sec latter.
I understand there is a condi cleanse in the game but they can’t just spam it, like i can spam Blindness, right? How can my opponent hits me over and over again in melee range, if i stand in Black Powder is beyond me.
Thank you for very good topic!
I believe it’s fully useless in PvP now, but it can be fixed by Arenanet, if they will introduce stacks for Blind, like for [Stability], then normal skill have to provide 3-4 stacks of blind, then it will be more remarkable.
well Blind it’s still negating one attack atleast. Might be a big important skill, or the weakest non-crit auto-attack.
But It’s still some mitigation.
IMO, blind should be a good defense against things like Whirlwind Attack or Surge of the Mists, where your opponent is using a fast charging attack at you. IMO, it’s skilled play to be able to predict an attack like that and blind ought to prevent the damage or cc. Unfortuantely, it doesn’t work because these attacks hit multiple times.
Maybe it’d be better if a blind prevented all damage from the next skill regardless of how many times it hits?
I just don’t get this condi: whenever i use it in PvP as Thief it seems that it doesn’t have any effect on my opponents. I can spam Blindness forever but still being destroyed within 4 or 5 seconds lol. If i use it on pve mobs, especially Black Powder and Shadow Shot, it works as intended, but in PvP, nope. I use Shadow Shot on Guardian, he hits me for 50% of my health in next 0.5 seconds. Blind him again and again with Shadow Shot or Black Powder, nothing happened, i am dead just 3 sec latter.
I understand there is a condi cleanse in the game but they can’t just spam it, like i can spam Blindness, right? How can my opponent hits me over and over again in melee range, if i stand in Black Powder is beyond me.
Thank you for very good topic!
I believe it’s fully useless in PvP now, but it can be fixed by Arenanet, if they will introduce stacks for Blind, like for [Stability], then normal skill have to provide 3-4 stacks of blind, then it will be more remarkable.
Lich has a good point actually.
I don’t know about stacks but duration time should blind all attacks for that duration.
This would actually help curb some of the DPS that is being brought in from PoF.
Just make sure the durations are greatly shortened on blind effects.
Lich has a good point actually.
I don’t know about stacks but duration time should blind all attacks for that duration.
This would actually help curb some of the DPS that is being brought in from PoF.
Just make sure the durations are greatly shortened on blind effects.
No. It would be absurdly overpowered and that’s coming from a guy who loves thief. Blind is one of the components in PvP that actually takes some skill to be used effectively and when that happens, it’s incredibly powerful. I’m sorry but if you want to find the use of blind, it’s a l2p issue. If you want to have something against channeled attacks, use headshot and get easy pulmonary impact damage.
It’s very good for stomping, it’s pretty easy to drop something like black powder and get an easy stomp since they will likely miss any interrupts. AOE blindness is actually pretty good damage mitigation also, like nightfall on necro for example since it pulses and covers the whole point.
It is immensely strong condition if you understand other professions. Definitely takes much more skill to use than weakness where you just put on opponent and benefit immediately.
Just one example from mesmer perspective. Shadow shot shuts down mesmer shield block hard. The skill is unblockable and a blind mesmer will not be able to summon the shield phantasm. Given how important phantasm is to a chronomancer, preventing is from spawning is very impactful in the fight.
Anyone remember old black powder? How it used to make you mostly immune to damage for it’s duration? Lets not go back to that please.
For anyone who wants to experience old black powder go to WvW and fight a camp scout in melee, they changed black powder for players but forgot about those guys.
The Black Powder is only on a 2-second pulse which means at least half of the enemy’s attacks will slip through even if they’re standing stock still in the field. Most NPC enemies in PvE will only attack on that 2-second interval which is why PvE is so stupidly easy compared to PvP. Once you realise that many NPC mobs ignore the complexities of mechanics like evades, stun breaks, blocks, blinds and invulnerability, you can kill anything in PvE.
Problem is another player has full access to ALL those mechanics depending on the class so you’re gonna get rekt if your only means of avoiding damage is blind. Same goes for any player of any class. Careful strategy is what makes blind work effectively, rather than just spamming the blind fields like a tool.
Especially in 1:1 instant or fast blinds are very useful. Spaming into AE clusterkitten or multiattacks is very weak … I main scepter ele and have two blinds in the weapon that are very helpful. Stacking blind is dangerous. I am shure it will bring some OP combinations with smokefields ..
It is immensely strong condition if you understand other professions. Definitely takes much more skill to use than weakness where you just put on opponent and benefit immediately.
Just one example from mesmer perspective. Shadow shot shuts down mesmer shield block hard. The skill is unblockable and a blind mesmer will not be able to summon the shield phantasm. Given how important phantasm is to a chronomancer, preventing is from spawning is very impactful in the fight.
you are talking about thief, may be its just overpowered by using such blind
but other professions have almost useless blind on skills:
Elementalist:
Blinding Flash, once per 10s, so we skip 1 attack from 1 enemy during 10s.
Lets take thief: thief can make 20-40 attacks during this time at least if not more, in sPvP enemy may push 1 target to get it down, lets take 3 enemy: then I may receive 60-120 attacks in 10s, so its around 1/60 – 1/120 = 1.6% – 0.8% of damage reduction, so we may assume about 1% of damage reduction (if all attacks are equal),
so it’s just nothing, you can not rely on it, you should not event think that it helps.
its like a lottery with 1% chance, than may be it pevent not 100 damage, but 7k damage with crit. lottery where you will loss in 99% cases. vs 1 enemy chances bit higher, but still about nothing, we can not rely on it
It is immensely strong condition if you understand other professions. Definitely takes much more skill to use than weakness where you just put on opponent and benefit immediately.
Just one example from mesmer perspective. Shadow shot shuts down mesmer shield block hard. The skill is unblockable and a blind mesmer will not be able to summon the shield phantasm. Given how important phantasm is to a chronomancer, preventing is from spawning is very impactful in the fight.
you are talking about thief, may be its just overpowered by using such blind
but other professions have almost useless blind on skills:
Elementalist:
Blinding Flash, once per 10s, so we skip 1 attack from 1 enemy during 10s.
Lets take thief: thief can make 20-40 attacks during this time at least if not more, in sPvP enemy may push 1 target to get it down, lets take 3 enemy: then I may receive 60-120 attacks in 10s, so its around 1/60 – 1/120 = 1.6% – 0.8% of damage reduction, so we may assume about 1% of damage reduction (if all attacks are equal),
so it’s just nothing, you can not rely on it, you should not event think that it helps.
its like a lottery with 1% chance, than may be it pevent not 100 damage, but 7k damage with crit. lottery where you will loss in 99% cases. vs 1 enemy chances bit higher, but still about nothing, we can not rely on it
Ok, first of all – adressing thief specifically – the fastest attack rate thief can do is the dagger AA which is 4 hits in 1.68 seconds, in 10 seconds that would be ~24 hits. But the thing is, that’s hardly the point. You’re watching blind too much from a PvE perspective, where mobs attack with the same patterns and attacks all over again. In that case, frequent blind that matches attack frequency is useful for DPS mitigation. In PvP however, blind should be used for negating dangerous attacks, for example warrior bursts, hard CC, high-damage attacks and so on. That is the reason why using blind in PvP effectively takes skill. If it would just reduce your effective DPS intake by a percentage or a fixed amount it would be pretty much mindless blind spamming without any assessment of the situations necessary.
Blinding flash is actually an amazing blind because it is instant cast, so it doesn’t interrupt other skills and you can even use it while being stunned. For example you fail dodging a warrior’s shield bash and he follows up with an eviscerate, blinding flash can save your life by completely negating eviscerate’s damage.
Blind is a powerful condition. It has always an effect. At least is mitigates damage. At best it negates it completely.
Blind is the main reason reaper greatsword is useless against thieves. Blind is the main reason I destroy warriors on thief.
It’s true that blind is countered by fast attacks but single fast attacks are usually weak and only the channel/sequence makes them strong giving you time to react with a dodge, block or interrupt. A strong single attack can instakill you and is negated completely by a blind.
usually blind duration is for 5 sec. when you put it up players go for AA only not to waste hard hitting attack and big cd. so sometimes you will see players back off and w8ing for couple of seconds till it wear off or just AA.
work wonder versus warriors till they pop up resistance. destroy their cc attacks mainly
work nice on power rev
work great versus ranger and his pet if its aoe blind also
work great versus necro attack
work great versus engi attacks
work great versus mesmer clones shatter or summon phantasms.
semi work versus thief. if you hit them with blind b4 the burst they will w8 so you bought yourself few second. but their AA hits nevertheless hard.
Are in THEORY intended to work as counters to powerful attacks.
However in PRACTICE, when you take into account, unclear casting animations, real short interrupt windows, latency, multiple hit skills so on and so forth, end up becoming proactive and minimum damage mitigators with wild variation in regards to their effectiveness. You might end up blocking a warrior burst skill around which revolves a large amount of their mechanic or you might end up blocking an auto attack, its mostly random.
WoW does this much better. Skills that are meant to be high effect and to be interrupted have 3s casting times. Skills that are meant as interrupters are instant cast. Skills that can be interrupted but are meant to be spammed have around 1.5s cast. That of course does not work for a game where you go from 100% to 0% in 5 seconds flat.
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WoW does this much better. Skills that are meant to be high effect and to be interrupted have 3s casting times. Skills that are meant as interrupters are instant cast. Skills that can be interrupted but are meant to be spammed have around 1.5s cast. That of course does not work for a game where you go from 100% to 0% in 5 seconds flat.
I disagree. Though it has been several years since the last I played WoW, playing a caster back then in PvP was annoying as hell since you spent half your time fakecasting which, in the end, was a gamble between you and the other guy. In GW2 it’s kinda reversed, you have more frequent access to interrupts but in turn your timing and your reactions have to be better. If you prefer the WoW system, that’s fine but I personally enjoy the GW2 playstyle a lot more.
Though you’re right that blinds with high casting times are just as much of a gamble.
WoW does this much better. Skills that are meant to be high effect and to be interrupted have 3s casting times. Skills that are meant as interrupters are instant cast. Skills that can be interrupted but are meant to be spammed have around 1.5s cast. That of course does not work for a game where you go from 100% to 0% in 5 seconds flat.
I disagree. Though it has been several years since the last I played WoW, playing a caster back then in PvP was annoying as hell since you spent half your time fakecasting which, in the end, was a gamble between you and the other guy. In GW2 it’s kinda reversed, you have more frequent access to interrupts but in turn your timing and your reactions have to be better. If you prefer the WoW system, that’s fine but I personally enjoy the GW2 playstyle a lot more.
Though you’re right that blinds with high casting times are just as much of a gamble.
GW2, could have similar system to wows but in reverse, you could have the high impact skills be either long casting or channeled and have more access to interrupts instead of blinds
As it stand right know, in general, there is little difference between high impact skills and low impact skills other than the effect them selves. There are certainly exceptions, but they are not the norm. GW2 is notorious for keyboard dancing.
the concept is simple, asume the following sequence of numbers is a skill cast and its impact (the number it self).
GW2 looks something like this:
2-2-2-2-5-2-2-2-3-1-2-3-1
WoW would look something like this:
2-2-8-7-2
Both in the same amount of time.
The term Exploit means nothing in GW2 –
Vials Maize Balm Exploit(Halloween) 2014
Locked out of JP (Wintersday) 2015
