Guild Wars 2

Some aoe fields are just too big in PvP, or can be spammed too frequently. I’ve pugged against some teams that can collectively cover the whole area in aoe conditions and usually there is just isn’t a way to get out quick enough without dying (especially with chill and immobilise thrown in the mix). I’ve noticed warriors can spam huge fire fields, eles with meteor shower, or engis that can spam small AoE fields so frequently it covers an entire capture point. No field(s) from a single player should be so big that you can’t even double dodge out of it.

This problem is even more exacerbated as Anet decided to design a few classes that have limited condition removal. No class should have minimal condition removal in a game that has conditions constantly flying all over the place. I would say reduce the largest fields so a double dodge can evade it, reduce the spamability of certain fields, or increase condition removals for classes that have few viable options.

I’m interested in knowing the community’s view on this.

AoE boons,healing and cleansing are off the charts compared to conditions. Queues are random you don’t know what you will fight so you just do your best. What class/spec are you talking about?

Sagat.3285:

AoE boons,healing and cleansing are off the charts compared to conditions. Queues are random you don’t know what you will fight so you just do your best. What class/spec are you talking about?

Please read my post again.

Vague Memory.2817:

Sagat.3285:

AoE boons,healing and cleansing are off the charts compared to conditions. Queues are random you don’t know what you will fight so you just do your best. What class/spec are you talking about?

Please read my post again.

What class/spec are you talking about?

Sagat.3285:

Vague Memory.2817:

Sagat.3285:

AoE boons,healing and cleansing are off the charts compared to conditions. Queues are random you don’t know what you will fight so you just do your best. What class/spec are you talking about?

Please read my post again.

What class/spec are you talking about?

I’m talking about size and spamability of AoE condition fields. What are you talking about? My post is fairly self explanatory. You say cleansing is off the charts, and I mentioned classes with limited condition removal.

Vague Memory.2817:

Sagat.3285:

Vague Memory.2817:

Sagat.3285:

AoE boons,healing and cleansing are off the charts compared to conditions. Queues are random you don’t know what you will fight so you just do your best. What class/spec are you talking about?

Please read my post again.

What class/spec are you talking about?

I’m talking about size and spamability of AoE condition fields. What are you talking about? My post is fairly self explanatory. You say cleansing is off the charts, and I mentioned classes with limited condition removal.

Every class has cleansing, only specs are limited which one are you talking about? Condition classes are complaining AoE cleansing is too much and you are stating the opposite so I want to see specific details of what you are trying to say.

Sagat.3285:

Vague Memory.2817:

Sagat.3285:

Vague Memory.2817:

Sagat.3285:

AoE boons,healing and cleansing are off the charts compared to conditions. Queues are random you don’t know what you will fight so you just do your best. What class/spec are you talking about?

Please read my post again.

What class/spec are you talking about?

I’m talking about size and spamability of AoE condition fields. What are you talking about? My post is fairly self explanatory. You say cleansing is off the charts, and I mentioned classes with limited condition removal.

Every class has cleansing, only specs are limited which one are you talking about? Condition classes are complaining AoE cleansing is too much and you are stating the opposite so I want to see specific details of what you are trying to say.

It sounds like you are trying to be obstructive. I’m asking for peoples option on the thread topic, which you don’t seem to be very interested in. Devs have already stated numerous times that they gave certain classes weaknesses, one of these are condition removal, for example in Mesmers. The topic is not specifically on condition removal, or even conditions in general it is specifically on aoe field size and spamming. Do you have an opinon on this?

What AoE can not be double dodged out of?

Do not talk about classes with low self condition cleanse in the second main paragraph if it’s not your main focus. AoE conditions gets “nullified” by the fact that there is usually a couple of Celestial classes that are able to perform AoE condition cleanse.

“On Topic”: I don’t think AoEs are big nor spammable. They may feel a little abussive in some circumstances due the Conquest nature. Some AoE can fill a good portion of the capture point but: a) they don’t do a lot of damage if they are spammable and b) tank or classes with high sustain are the ones to stay on point, therefore eating AoE is necessary if you want to capture a game.

Outside of the capture points I can even argue that AoE are too big, being this game mode so mobile. As I said, some of them can be very effective thanks to the capture points (grenades for everyone! Yey!).

So yeah, I don’t think they are big nor spammable. And again, don’t talk about classes with low condition cleanse if then you are going to be bad mannered to other player. Peace

I used to think this was a problem. Stronghold sort of proved otherwise. The issue isn’t the aoe at all, in some cases it’s very necessary for AOEs to be big to get any real use in open combat. The bigger issue is the way conquest is designed, it favors aoe and cleave because it tends to force people to a point. It’s the same way knockbacks and stability are overvalued. A single game mode has created misleading ideals.

Poliator.7021:

Do not talk about classes with low self condition cleanse in the second main paragraph if it’s not your main focus. AoE conditions gets “nullified” by the fact that there is usually a couple of Celestial classes that are able to perform AoE condition cleanse.

“On Topic”: I don’t think AoEs are big nor spammable. They may feel a little abussive in some circumstances due the Conquest nature. Some AoE can fill a good portion of the capture point but: a) they don’t do a lot of damage if they are spammable and b) tank or classes with high sustain are the ones to stay on point, therefore eating AoE is necessary if you want to capture a game.

Outside of the capture points I can even argue that AoE are too big, being this game mode so mobile. As I said, some of them can be very effective thanks to the capture points (grenades for everyone! Yey!).

So yeah, I don’t think they are big nor spammable. And again, don’t talk about classes with low condition cleanse if then you are going to be bad mannered to other player. Peace

I don’t think I was being bad mannered, if someone is asking irrelevant questions because they couldn’t be bother to read the post properly. Pretty much the same as you have done. Read the post again, I suggested that the big aoe field(s) should be reduced in size and spamability “or” give more condition removal to classes that have limited access to it.

“on topic”: thanks for your opinion. Peace to you too

You still never answered sagats question, what build or class are you talking about that can’t cleanse? Every class has some sort of cleansing.

If you are immobilized in an aoe chances are you are being focused. AoE is literally in every game, get used to it. There I no aoes that you can’t avoid in this game.

Well, personally, I hate conditions with a passion, but you can more or less just walk out of a warrior’s fie field easy. Sure, necros can spam a thousand marks to make your day harder, but, fortunately, they’re easy to kill. Engis with their grenades can also give you a hard time if you don’t have the ability to remove at least three condis per minute, but again, grenades are so very telegraphed that its almost like dodging a PvE boss’ attacks. Things like meteor shower only do damage when the actual meteor hits you, so if you stay frosty you should be fine, also there’s counting how vulnerable it leaves the ele when they’re casting it since its so easy to interrupt/rip em to pieces with pretty much any power build.

Vague Memory.2817:

Poliator.7021:

Do not talk about classes with low self condition cleanse in the second main paragraph if it’s not your main focus. AoE conditions gets “nullified” by the fact that there is usually a couple of Celestial classes that are able to perform AoE condition cleanse.

“On Topic”: I don’t think AoEs are big nor spammable. They may feel a little abussive in some circumstances due the Conquest nature. Some AoE can fill a good portion of the capture point but: a) they don’t do a lot of damage if they are spammable and b) tank or classes with high sustain are the ones to stay on point, therefore eating AoE is necessary if you want to capture a game.

Outside of the capture points I can even argue that AoE are too big, being this game mode so mobile. As I said, some of them can be very effective thanks to the capture points (grenades for everyone! Yey!).

So yeah, I don’t think they are big nor spammable. And again, don’t talk about classes with low condition cleanse if then you are going to be bad mannered to other player. Peace

I don’t think I was being bad mannered, if someone is asking irrelevant questions because they couldn’t be bother to read the post properly. Pretty much the same as you have done. Read the post again, I suggested that the big aoe field(s) should be reduced in size and spamability “or” give more condition removal to classes that have limited access to it.

“on topic”: thanks for your opinion. Peace to you too

A couple of things. It was not an irrelevant question that Sagat asked. Different classes have different levels of mobility through access to swiftness, cripple removal, vigor, and if they can teleport or not. The point that Sagat was trying to make is maybe it’s not about the condition fields themselves, but a particular class’s ability to react to those fields, thereby considering a small rework of one class as opposed to going through every condition field and shrinking them down. Not taking this aspect into consideration at all would not be beneficial to the conversation.

As for the size of the fields, I have been in the middle of some huge condition bombs. We’re talking massive scale, covering the entire middle point in Legacy of the Foefire kind of big. That particular example is not one AoE field, mind you, but I don’t think it makes sense to be able to escape from something like that, not without teleports. According to the wiki, the Elementalist Meteor Shower has a radius of 360 units, and dodge rolls will give you 300 units over .75 seconds per dodge. The only time you can’t double dodge out of these fields is if you are immobilized, chilled, or crippled; which is the point. Even then, as long as you’re not standing dead-center, you should be able to sometimes even just walk out of the AoE.

I’m not too sure it’s a big problem, to be honest. Condition is tough to deal with, sometimes, but an AoE condition build is not going to just steamroll over everyone.

Jelzouki.4128:

You still never answered sagats question, what build or class are you talking about that can’t cleanse? Every class has some sort of cleansing.

If you are immobilized in an aoe chances are you are being focused. AoE is literally in every game, get used to it. There I no aoes that you can’t avoid in this game.

ITS DIFFERENT THING to have Warriors longbow Fire aoe
and
Enginners Bomb Kit + Grenades
+ with 100% uptime
+ cover all over the cap point size where you have to fight …

AND THERE IS DIFFERENT THING to get away from the oaes and cleanse it ……..

Did sagat get it too ?

Just to clarify the thread, OP is talking about spammer, Sagat is talking about spamee.

OP is talking about war, ele and engi spamming large AoE.

Sagat is asking about which class does OP play that he can’t get out of AoE or clear conditions caused by AoE/Focus.

Hope this helps.

Sagat hit the issue that needs to be addressed

I want to know what class / build has issues clearing conditions and dodging out of a aoe field, because a double dodge usually allows you to dodge Completely over most AOE fields in the game and every class has condi purging.

There needs to be information on this. It’s not obstructive to just not blindly agree with what the OP is saying because he has not provided a specific case of this happening.

Opinion? It’s conquest I expect AoE spam or not, hell that’s why current meta has so much AoE everything.

Your title and paragraph make it sounds like you are complaining and asking for a change instead of unbiased opinion thread.

hmm… complaining about cleanses prolly means mes, teef, or engi… cuz he couldnt possibly be complaining about a lack of cleanses on war, guard, necro, ranger, or ele

ronpierce.2760:

I used to think this was a problem. Stronghold sort of proved otherwise. The issue isn’t the aoe at all, in some cases it’s very necessary for AOEs to be big to get any real use in open combat. The bigger issue is the way conquest is designed, it favors aoe and cleave because it tends to force people to a point. It’s the same way knockbacks and stability are overvalued. A single game mode has created misleading ideals.

i think ronnie is right. i was going to type, almost verbatim, what he said, but he said it, so i will agree w/ it 2×. w/ the first sentence, and the second. maybe 4x if u count the prev sentence and this one.

insanemaniac.2456:

hmm… complaining about cleanses prolly means mes, teef, or engi… cuz he couldnt possibly be complaining about a lack of cleanses on war, guard, necro, ranger, or ele

Null field, Shadow Embrace, Elixir Gun Super Elixir\Healing Turret alt.

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insanemaniac.2456:

hmm… complaining about cleanses prolly means mes, teef, or engi… cuz he couldnt possibly be complaining about a lack of cleanses on war, guard, necro, ranger, or ele

If i build my warrior as i build my mesmer then my warrior lacks condition cleanses too. Thats why people asked OP what class/build he was talking. Mesmer have excelent condition cleanses with utilities / traits. People just dont use them. Thief can also have very good condition clears.

silentnight warrior.2714:

People just dont use them.

thats kind of my point guys.

Um, ranger doesn’t even have condi cleanse unless he traits all the way in Wilderness Survival.

The real offenders are ele, guard, and warrior. Shadow arts thief can also cleanse plenty of conditions.

Zenith.7301:

Um, ranger doesn’t even have condi cleanse unless he traits all the way in Wilderness Survival.

The real offenders are ele, guard, and warrior. Shadow arts thief can also cleanse plenty of conditions.

Rangers really? We have a heal,pets and SoF. One thing this thread need to realize is that those specs didn’t take cleansing just because they can but because it would hurt not to take it think about that even war once BS is over the only thing saving them is LB+CI high HP doesn’t mean jack. The issue is that it got out of control and it pushed conditions away from meta.

The only problem I have with big fields is when they stack in intensity.

When fields are big enough, they should stack in other ways other than intensity.

Pop two Combustive Shots on the same location at the same time, and that should not hit anyone twice. They could hit 10 targets between the two of them, but both could not hit the same at the same time, as their overlapping areas would merge instead stacking, and count as one.