Guild Wars 2

From my experience the Apex classes in GW2 seem to be ones with;

• self water+blast finisher combo OR
• lots of stealth (to escape and heal/recover)

The other classes seem to have to depend upon one another for support.

My questions are

1. Am I missing something?
2. Shouldn’t all classes have access to the above Apex abilities?

No, and that is based on class concepts not all classes should fill every roll or have the similar skill sets, that would make the classes very boring and exasperate the massive amount of power creep, would you want a warrior who has some of the best passive trait defenses in game to also be able to stealth or blast water fields making him even more powerful in the defensive department while still doing as much damage?

Look at Engie he has access to both of those skills and they are one of the strongest classes in game in terms of pvp.

Some classes were given those due to them having little to no strong passive defenses or base line defenses, Ele, and Thief. If anything they need to go back and redefine and separate the class concepts since a lot of them have been blurred with recent changes.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

No, and that is based on class concepts not all classes should fill every roll or have the similar skill sets, that would make the classes very boring and exasperate the massive amount of power creep, would you want a warrior who has some of the best passive trait defenses in game to also be able to stealth or blast water fields making him even more powerful in the defensive department while still doing as much damage?

Look at Engie he has access to both of those skills and they are one of the strongest classes in game in terms of pvp.

Some classes were given those due to them having little to no strong passive defenses or base line defenses, Ele, and Thief. If anything they need to go back and redefine and separate the class concepts since a lot of them have been blurred with recent changes.

Since the last nerf, nobody would say scrapper is the best 1v1 meta classes.

Even if we bring water field + blast, we are much more efficient for supporting fights now, since tempest got DELETE from the game.

Jourdelune.7456:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

No, and that is based on class concepts not all classes should fill every roll or have the similar skill sets, that would make the classes very boring and exasperate the massive amount of power creep, would you want a warrior who has some of the best passive trait defenses in game to also be able to stealth or blast water fields making him even more powerful in the defensive department while still doing as much damage?

Look at Engie he has access to both of those skills and they are one of the strongest classes in game in terms of pvp.

Some classes were given those due to them having little to no strong passive defenses or base line defenses, Ele, and Thief. If anything they need to go back and redefine and separate the class concepts since a lot of them have been blurred with recent changes.

Since the last nerf, nobody would say scrapper is the best 1v1 meta classes.

Even if we bring water field + blast, we are much more efficient for supporting fights now, since tempest got DELETE from the game.

+1 I agree

I didn’t say best, I said one of the strongest….and even with the nerfs they are still pretty strong just not as face roll like they were

Svarty.8019:

From my experience the Apex classes in GW2 seem to be ones with;

• self water+blast finisher combo OR
• lots of stealth (to escape and heal/recover)

The other classes seem to have to depend upon one another for support.

My questions are

1. Am I missing something?
2. Shouldn’t all classes have access to the above Apex abilities?

Lol, better yet is not needing stealth or healing… AKA invuln Now that’s APEX

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I think (perhaps even heard somewhere) its something you get after you’ve master death shroud.

Jayce.5632:

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I think (perhaps even heard somewhere) its something you get after you’ve master death shroud.

Nope:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stealth

Svarty.8019:

Jayce.5632:

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I think (perhaps even heard somewhere) its something you get after you’ve master death shroud.

Nope:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stealth

You missed the joke.

Sartharina.3542:

Svarty.8019:

Jayce.5632:

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I think (perhaps even heard somewhere) its something you get after you’ve master death shroud.

Nope:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stealth

You missed the joke.

I did, but now I’m laughing all the way to respawn.

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I don’t even…. Know… How….

Slippery Nec.

But anyway back to the point. Is there something I’m missing? (besides a slippery necro)

sephiroth.4217:

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I don’t even…. Know… How….

Slippery Nec.

But anyway back to the point. Is there something I’m missing? (besides a slippery necro)

You forget DH has access to stealth so that leaves Rev and War as the Subpar by Op logic.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

sephiroth.4217:

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I don’t even…. Know… How….

Slippery Nec.

But anyway back to the point. Is there something I’m missing? (besides a slippery necro)

You forget DH has access to stealth so that leaves Rev and War as the Subpar by Op logic.

With traps yea and I realised that slippery Nec was meant to be Ranger, so by default I think Ranger is the best “APEX” class because it has stealth and water and blast?

sephiroth.4217:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

sephiroth.4217:

Svarty.8019:

sephiroth.4217:

I might be missing something but doesn’t Ranger, Engie, Ele, Thief with steal have water blast and mes/nec/engie/thief have stealth leaving Rev/War/Guard as your subpar classes?

In which case you would be right as Guard is kinda supportive to other classes by means of boons while the Warrior and Rev has it’s DPS builds.

I’m interested in this necro stealth. Tell me more.

I don’t even…. Know… How….

Slippery Nec.

But anyway back to the point. Is there something I’m missing? (besides a slippery necro)

You forget DH has access to stealth so that leaves Rev and War as the Subpar by Op logic.

With traps yea and I realised that slippery Nec was meant to be Ranger, so by default I think Ranger is the best “APEX” class because it has stealth and water and blast?

By op logic yes.

I think it would be better to say apex aspects/mechanics.

High mobility.
High sustain.
Scaling damage mitigation (outright immunity to direct and/or condi damage).
Stealth.
Group support.
Number of auto procs.

Those are what I would say are the apex aspects or rather aspects of apex builds/classes.

apharma.3741:

I think it would be better to say apex aspects/mechanics.

High mobility.
High sustain.
Scaling damage mitigation (outright immunity to direct and/or condi damage).
Stealth.
Group support.
Number of auto procs.

Those are what I would say are the apex aspects or rather aspects of apex builds/classes.

Soooo…Scrapper and DH?
-both have stealth
-both have very very good burst
-both have long-duration blocks, invulns, etc
-both have strong self and aoe heals
-both have nearly permanent quickness (not to the same extent as thief or rev, mind you, but they will always outrun a necro or warr or ele) plus long-distance jumps/blinks/charges
-both have extremely powerful CC

There’s a wee bit of a difference between an invuln where you can’t cleanse any conditions and can’t do any damage, and an invuln where you can pummel the crud out of someone and have access to your skills. …. Just saying