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Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Issues.5789:

Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Really? Warriors are the worst class in pvp. Give us a kitten break! You are viable on tourney teams, warriors are not.

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Really? Warriors are the worst class in pvp. Give us a kitten break! You are viable on tourney teams, warriors are not.

Judging by your username; you’ve had too much of that. Please read my entire post and stop picking at certain parts.

Issues.5789:

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Really? Warriors are the worst class in pvp. Give us a kitten break! You are viable on tourney teams, warriors are not.

Judging by your username; you’ve had too much of that. Please read my entire post and stop picking at certain parts.

Judging by your username; you have issues. Please read my entire post and stop ignoring how you are viable and warriors are not.

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Really? Warriors are the worst class in pvp. Give us a kitten break! You are viable on tourney teams, warriors are not.

Judging by your username; you’ve had too much of that. Please read my entire post and stop picking at certain parts.

Judging by your username; you have issues. Please read my entire post and stop ignoring how you are viable and warriors are not.

Sounds like a nice echo. Great reply; I’m glad you used my template. Apply some eyedrops into your eyes; and read my part clearly
“secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem..”

Issues.5789:

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Really? Warriors are the worst class in pvp. Give us a kitten break! You are viable on tourney teams, warriors are not.

Judging by your username; you’ve had too much of that. Please read my entire post and stop picking at certain parts.

Judging by your username; you have issues. Please read my entire post and stop ignoring how you are viable and warriors are not.

Sounds like a nice echo. Great reply; I’m glad you used my template. Apply some eyedrops into your eyes; and read my part clearly
“secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem..”

You will get your turn. And your thread title accuses the devs of bias because they are talking to the worst class in pvp.

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

pot.6805:

Issues.5789:

Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Really? Warriors are the worst class in pvp. Give us a kitten break! You are viable on tourney teams, warriors are not.

Judging by your username; you’ve had too much of that. Please read my entire post and stop picking at certain parts.

Judging by your username; you have issues. Please read my entire post and stop ignoring how you are viable and warriors are not.

Sounds like a nice echo. Great reply; I’m glad you used my template. Apply some eyedrops into your eyes; and read my part clearly
“secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem..”

You will get your turn. And your thread title accuses the devs of bias because they are talking to the worst class in pvp.

Warriors are not viable in Spvp. That’s the only place; WvW and PvE they are very great assets to team play/groups. Thieves lack in PvE/The nerfs are applied in WvW as well. That is all I’m saying. And there is a bias; look at the reply ratio.

This is the structured PVP forum btw so their replies here to warriors make sense.

pot.6805:

This is the structured PVP forum btw so their replies here to warriors make sense.

I’m aware; I’m moreso addressing the whole aspect of the class. While warrior thrives in 2/3 zones(wvw + pve); thieves barely thrive in 1/3 (spvp) zones of the games. Plus check warrior and thief forums and you’ll see the reply difference as well.

The offhand pistol is fine, its the main hand pistol that needs to be looked at.

Turn the pistol 2 into a blast finisher so that it synergies with pistol 5.

Vulnerability needs to be looked at. It is too easily removed for requiring 15 initiative and several seconds to stack to full.

Last refuge needs to not cause revealed, since it often triggers mid weapon swing and locks the thief out of stealth when he needs it most.

Pistol whip feels really awkward rooting the thief in place and may be 1 initiative too costly for what it does.

Sword could use a damage buff.

Hexs.8015:

The offhand pistol is fine, its the main hand pistol that needs to be looked at.

Turn the pistol 2 into a blast finisher so that it synergies with pistol 5.

Vulnerability needs to be looked at. It is too easily removed for requiring 15 initiative and several seconds to stack to full.

Last refuge needs to not cause revealed, since it often triggers mid weapon swing and locks the thief out of stealth when he needs it most.

Pistol whip feels really awkward rooting the thief in place and may be 1 initiative too costly for what it does.

Sword could use a damage buff.

Agree, mainhand pistol is terrible.. Pistol whip is very slow/you can move out of the cast about 3/4’s of the way into it + dancing dagger is useless damage wise; Sword I think needs a speed; the chain is so predictable as to when to dodge. And short bow trickshot activation time is nowhere as it says it is.

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

The world doesn’t revolve around you; this is not a personal attack on your home. Please read the opening post before you start to sob on the forums.

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Are you serious? your logic is so flawed. none of what you said actually change the fact that warriors are the worst in pvp. i can’t even tell if this is a bad troll or not.

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

The world doesn’t revolve around you; this is not a personal attack on your home. Please read the opening post before you start to sob on the forums.

i can totally say the same to you tbh, please read my post before you start to cry about anything

Lighter.5631:

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Are you serious? your logic is so flawed. none of what you said actually change the fact that warriors are the worst in pvp

Says that “my logic is so flawed”

Doesn’t explain how or why.

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Wow, if all that was true and worked outside of theory, we’d be the best pvp class in the game. Except we are at the bottom. I can tell you’ve never actually played a warrior.

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Are you serious? your logic is so flawed. none of what you said actually change the fact that warriors are the worst in pvp

Says that “my logic is so flawed”

Doesn’t explain how or why.

I thought i said it. Ok, ill say it again, since you can’t seem to see it

*None of what you said have any thing, literally nothing related to the fact that warriors are the worst in PvP. *

I can’t imagine how can you base a class’ strength base on it’s build diversity. Oh and did i mention that there’s something called useless build i thought you would know that.

pot.6805:

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Wow, if all that was true and worked outside of theory, we’d be the best pvp class in the game. Except we are at the bottom. I can tell you’ve never actually played a warrior.

I have played a warr, albeit not as a main. Furthermore, I’ve played against many a warrior and seen many a good warrior via Twitch as well.

Also, what causes it to work in theory but not in practicality? Because you don’t explain.

Lighter.5631:

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Are you serious? your logic is so flawed. none of what you said actually change the fact that warriors are the worst in pvp

Says that “my logic is so flawed”

Doesn’t explain how or why.

I thought i said it. Ok, ill say it again, since you can’t seem to see it

*None of what you said have any thing, literally nothing related to the fact that warriors are the worst in PvP. *

I can’t imagine how can you base a class’ strength base on it’s build diversity. Oh and did i mention that there’s something called useless build i thought you would know that.

Yes, none of it is related to the “fact” that warrs are the worst in PvP because that isn’t a fact, is a pretty godawful opinion and for some reason you expect my post that was meant to counter that idea to still support your bias. It’d be like me saying that rangers are horrible in PvP, then you listing out why that isn’t the case, and then me telling you that none of that is true because none of it states why rangers are horrible in PvP. You still haven’t established the base condition of why warrs are horrible in PvP, and you haven’t actually countered my points stating as to why they’re actually not bad in PvP, you’ve simply said that they’re irrelevant because they don’t support the original idea that you posted that has no evidence to support it.

Furthermore, build diversity is extremely useful in devising team strategy. Because warrs can pretty much fulfill all of the roles that may be needed on a team, you’re allowed to use the other players on your team much more flexibly to stick with the strategy that you’re trying to implement.

Sweet thread, people are silly.

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

Arganthium.5638:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

Please, kitten more.

Warrs have great control options (all of the physical utilities, “Fear Me!”, hammer, mace, shield, and then a lot of control spread out among all kinds of other skills), and the largest build diversity as they have the most flexible set of weapons. They can bunker, tank, provide boon support, become very mobile, go high damage- low survivability, or go all-out GC. Their utility skills allow for vastly different playstyles, from control (physical utilities) to soloing (signets) to mobile team support (shouts) and all the way to creating fortresses of boons support with banners.

So please, don’t even start that.

Are you serious? your logic is so flawed. none of what you said actually change the fact that warriors are the worst in pvp

Says that “my logic is so flawed”

Doesn’t explain how or why.

I thought i said it. Ok, ill say it again, since you can’t seem to see it

*None of what you said have any thing, literally nothing related to the fact that warriors are the worst in PvP. *

I can’t imagine how can you base a class’ strength base on it’s build diversity. Oh and did i mention that there’s something called useless build i thought you would know that.

Yes, none of it is related to the “fact” that warrs are the worst in PvP because that isn’t a fact, is a pretty godawful opinion and for some reason you expect my post that was meant to counter that idea to still support your bias. It’d be like me saying that rangers are horrible in PvP, then you listing out why that isn’t the case, and then me telling you that none of that is true because none of it states why rangers are horrible in PvP. You still haven’t established the base condition of why warrs are horrible in PvP, and you haven’t actually countered my points stating as to why they’re actually not bad in PvP, you’ve simply said that they’re irrelevant because they don’t support the original idea that you posted that has no evidence to support it.

Furthermore, build diversity is extremely useful in devising team strategy. Because warrs can pretty much fulfill all of the roles that may be needed on a team, you’re allowed to use the other players on your team much more flexibly to stick with the strategy that you’re trying to implement.

When most of the people even the developers of arenanet and top team managers say that warriors are the worst in PVP and when you can’t see a warrior in any of those top team matches. you know that it’s a fact. or only if your logic is flawed

oh and you say build diversity is extremely helpful? What about every other professional can do better then warriors in any build? and they can do alot more.

and you know what arenanet said about gw2?everyone can bunker dps control support. you know why i don’t even want to bother myself to explain anything to you? because your statements lack the basic informations.

Lighter.5631:

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

The world doesn’t revolve around you; this is not a personal attack on your home. Please read the opening post before you start to sob on the forums.

i can totally say the same to you tbh, please read my post before you start to cry about anything

Lol did you even read the opening post? Read your first reply; and read my first message. Let me know if a light bulb clicks and you see a correlation to anything.

why does every thread have to devolve into this nonsense

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

The world doesn’t revolve around you; this is not a personal attack on your home. Please read the opening post before you start to sob on the forums.

i can totally say the same to you tbh, please read my post before you start to cry about anything

Lol did you even read the opening post? Read your first reply; and read my first message. Let me know if a light bulb clicks and you see a correlation to anything.

Please get yours clicks 1st then talk to me.

Lighter.5631:

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

The world doesn’t revolve around you; this is not a personal attack on your home. Please read the opening post before you start to sob on the forums.

i can totally say the same to you tbh, please read my post before you start to cry about anything

Lol did you even read the opening post? Read your first reply; and read my first message. Let me know if a light bulb clicks and you see a correlation to anything.

Please get yours clicks 1st then talk to me.

+1 for a great response; thanks for your contribution

face palms

k he mentioned warrior so he could get bumps from all the people who play warrior. He plays thief.

This thread is just a circle jerk of crying and complaining. If you want ANet to actually respond to thief issues or feedback in general this thread is a bad example.

However, I will agree thieves have a ton of useless abilities traits, and weapon sets that don’t even get looked at because of the dominance of d/p (still greater that p/x) or s/d.

Traps for example, and Scorpion Wire.

Warriors on the other hand have build most players in this game haven’t even played or seen (not saying that these alleged builds are good). Most likely what we will see from ANet is bring more utility buffs in for the warrior, and survive. That’s what they need.

Thieves AND warriors have their own place of uselessness on a team.

Arganthium.5638:

Doesn’t explain how or why.

Allow me.

Warriors lack sustain. I’d direct you to the Warrior forums where there are some great discussions and detailed breakdowns of the problems and faults with the class. Anyone who has ever played a Warrior, (as obviously you haven’t,) is in agreement that our lack of effective sustain in fights is one of, if not thee, primary problem with Warriors in PvP.

Jonathan Sharp has also recently acknowledged this exact problem and as such, has committed to addressing this in upcoming balance patches. When the majority of the community, (not just Warriors themselves,) and the Developers all recognise there is a problem, it’s safe to say, there is a problem.

All of the “positives” you’ve listed are negated by the fact that on paper, Warrior builds appear to be strong. In reality however, things play out very differently. How can we bunker/tank when our sustain, healing, damage mitigation and condition management are sub-par? What use is glass-cannon, high damage when we cannot reliably inflict that damage? Mobility if fine for running away (when our movement skills aren’t impaired by numerous conditions,) but fleeing doesn’t kill enemies, nor does it cap or defend points. Banners in PvP? That’s just laughable, as is your comment about using a Signet build for soloing. Deary me.

Warriors suffer from woeful condition management, kiting issues, poor Traits and badly realised trees, (an issue also recognised by Jonathan Sharp,) and terrible, terrible healing – arguably the worst in the game.

So yes, Warriors have the “largest build diversity”. The problem is that none of them are strong enough to be taken seriously in competitive PvP. Maybe if they gave Warriors a cheesy, spammable, unblockable, evasive, boon-stealing chain-skill we’d do much better? Pfff.

No tears here though.

Sure glad this site has moderators. Keep up the good work!!!

Issues.5789:

Is this a joke.. I’m a main thief and secondary class Warrior. While I do agree that warrior needs major attention in Spvp; Arena net devs are replying to which I’m saying congrats! You’re acknowledging the problem.. but do you plan to do anything about thieves… There has been zero replies to hundreds of ideas in the thief section and not one reply; meanwhile warrior gets 5-10+ arena net replies.. This in no way is fair; Pistolwhip / Dancing dagger have been nerfed due to quickness and need revamping , P/P set, a few trait lines.. This is my knowledge of thief only; I’m sure other classes are being neglected as well..

Yeah, ANet is biased in regards to balancing-issues that make sense….

We see at least 3 Viable Thief-Builds in sPvP and probably 80% of Teams run a Thief. The S/D-Thief might even be quite OP (we need a bit more time to know that for sure). Thief also has been top-tier in the competetive scene basically since the game came out.

On the other Hand, we have the Warrior, which is heavily Underpowered, has no really viable builds in sPvP and is almost never played competetively and it has been like that for months.

MY GOD, how come people managed to turn a Q/A thread into a WAR ZONE?
Please follows the Guidelines and Respects the others OR at least pretends you ARE.

If you wish ,you can start your own thread and battle it out there. Otherwise please leave this alone when you don’t have an answer or even try to answer it.

As for the question, if someone didn’t get it then I will repeat the question and answer it with my honest opinion.

Q: Why are Thief’s threads being ignored while Warrior’s threads being sweet-hearted with?

A: I think Jon Peters is busy trying to make his warrior works out and is likely that Thiefs will get nothing in the upcoming patch beside a few tooltips fixed.

While I agree the topic starter probably should’ve placed this topic in the general section, the guy does have a point. Hear me out here.

I’ll start with a couple of examples as to why I feel the thief is on the bad side of the bias:

1.
When the signet changes came in, the warrior powersignet was changed to pierce through block because they felt the activation on the power signet felt hard to justify when the passive already gave power. The thief power signet activation effect however was NOT changed while it was basically the same thing. It now gives 180 power passively and 15% on 5 attacks on activation (with a wicked 45sec cooldown). You don’t need to be a rocketscientist to see this is a really silly signet now. Specially when you see the warrior version was changed for this exact reason!

2.
Then I also notice thiefneglection when I run in southsun when an instigator champ burns me and Hide in Shadows (heals, grants stealth, grants regen and clears poison, burn and bleed) doesn’t clean the burn of the instigator. What is that about?! 20second burn on me and my burncleaner doesnt clean that burn!

3.
And the thief, being squishy as we are and being as reliant on dodging as we are. Has to invest heavily with long cd utilities to halfarsedly (for example the heal withdraw which SHOULD dodgeroll away while cleaning immob. and healing but doesn’t roll anywhere because the condition cleanse for some mysterious reason is the LAST step of that spell) get rid of immobilizes which last a rediculous long time. Because of this, immobilizes are almost like stuns against us. Also, thieves were said to be the mobile class of the game. What did ANet do? They gave warriors extra means to counteract this condition while the thief is still stuck with it feeling like a stun to us and that withdraw spell still not going anywhere after what, 8 months? come on. (Now don’t get me wrong, i agree the warrior needed that buff, but so did we. Except you got it and we, again, did not).

4.
ALL our damage comes from traits. Our base damage quite frankly is pretty rediculously WEAK. Speccing a thief as a hybrid simply doesn’t deal enough damage to kill ANYTHING in pvp and speccing full bunker isnt an option either when things like immobilize shut us down as hard as they do.

5.
Then there’s out traits. Have you taken a look at them? Except for the SA line, it’s extremely dull. 5% damage on this, 7% dmg under that condition, 5% critchange with that, 5% critchance with this. It goes on and on like that. There’s no fun or diversity anywhere in those traits and they, on themselves, don’t even do a lot to begin with. But a thief is forced to pick them anyway since without these BORING traits, he hits like a wet noodle. Warrior’s may not be in a good place for pvp but their traits sure are a lot more interesting choices!

6.
When the quickness change came in. The countereffects of all quickness granting spells were halved. But the thief again bites the dust because while the regeneration part of the countereffect did get halved, it still destroys my entire endurance bar when I activate Haste. Whats up? Oh and nerfs on spells because of the old quickness did NOT get reverted making these spells beyond bad now.

7.
Some hard bias here: Thief is the only class in the entire game to not have a 1200 range auto attack. (stealth is a bad excuse since that didn’t stop the mesmers from getting a 1200 range attack either)

8.
PistolMH is still TERRIBLE. Attack activation time on both the SB and the Pmh are way slower than what the tooltip says. And pistol2 costs a lot while doing basically nothing. Spend all that intiative on a short duration stack of vulnerability? For what? I got no initiative after that to take benefit from it and in group play vulnerability stacking isn’t an issue at all for a thief to need to resort to such methods. It’s absolutely useless. Adding to this the fact P/P has no mobility or stealth entry at all on a stealth heavy dependent class.

I can go on forever about stuf that keeps getting ignored on thieves while other classes keep getting buffs.

But thieves really do need some attention right about now and not in the form of nerfs!

My number 1 wish for thief is to please rework the boring dmg boosting traits into interesting traitchoices and up the base dmg of the thief so it doesn’t feel pressured to go glass anymore (and with reworking the traits, glass staying an option while not becoming more powerful per se depending on changes).

Vyxion.6358:

Because of this, immobilizes are almost like stuns against us.

U can perfome <evasive attacks>> while immobilizes , taking no damage :P

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Vyxion.6358:

Because of this, immobilizes are almost like stuns against us.

U can perfome <evasive attacks>> while immobilizes , taking no damage :P

Cost on those are too high when you want to use them for this purpose with them having such short evasion timers only covering like half of the animation time. Not really an option. Specially considering how many you would need to chain to cover even a little 2 second immobilize (not enough initiative to cover even 1 second i can tell you that). But you got what i ment right? No need to nitpick on 1 little thing.

U can use Shadowstep or Shortbow 5th attack , or Swords 2th attack to cleanse the imobilize , if u dont like evasive attacks :P

Killthehealersffs.8940:

U can use Shadowstep or Shortbow 5th attack , or Swords 2th attack to cleanse the imobilize , if u dont like evasive attacks :P

Ye ye a long cd utility (like i alrdy mentioned in my post? come on…) as a counter so I don’t have it ready for a real stun? Ye that sounds like fun …

Shortbow5 is heavy on initiative and requires a weapon swap, might as well go all the way then and run for it because you can’t really fight back after swapping to SB and then SB5 to get out of a measily immobilize.

Sword2 requires to be setup beforehand, can’t really see in the future personally. Must be handy!

but let’s drop this nitpicking on 1 point I made.

Look at the size of my post, and all you do is comment nitpickily on 1 little point which misses the point I tried to make entirely. Come on …

U can use Sword 2 on the spot , activating the 2 parts in 0.5 sec and cleansing 1 condition .
Whats better for u ? Lying on the ground , or burn out some initiative ? :P

6 months ago ago , i proposed in the Thief mega thread , that u can combine felline grace+ deathblosom+ uncatchable , creating a defensive thief spec , but ppl thought i was crazy
But Thats Handy Now ! (and no even a thank u !)

In ur place i wouldnt like to increase my character base damage
It will open a new devercity for sure , open new paths for hydrism , but in the same they will freely to neuter something in its place :P

Killthehealersffs.8940:

U can use Sword 2 on the spot , activating the 2 parts in 0.5 sec and cleansing 1 condition .
Whats better for u ? Lying on the ground , or burn out some initiative ? :P

6 months ago ago , i proposed in the Thief mega thread , that u can combine felline grace+ deathblosom+ uncatchable , creating a defensive thief spec , but ppl thought i was crazy
But Thats Handy Now ! (and no even a thank u !)

In ur place i wouldnt like to increase my character base damage
It will open a new devercity for sure , open new paths for hydrism , but in the same they will freely to neuter something in its place :P

Man seriously. That doesn’t happen in 0.5 seconds and it’s again a lot of initiative and you would have to run sword for it. And what if the condition cleanse on sword2 return picks other conditions to remove instead of immobilize? Then you are still screwed because immobilize-removal through teleportation really doesn’t work if you don’t actually port away from your spot with it. Sitting in immobilize with your sword out, you probably were in melee range. activating part 1 of sword2 would not move you, nor the return. So you would be entirely reliant on the conditioncleansing of that return which may or may not be in your favor at a high initiative cost if it’s all you used it for. Which is what you suggested. Sure it works, just like other options mentioned, but at what cost? Other classes don’t pay that much to remove immobilize while not being punished by it as much as us to begin with, THATS THE POINT I MADE.

Condition thief in tpvp is not viable, you can thank our boring traits for that.

Your last remark by the way made no sense whatsoever after I deciphered what you even said. Hastily posted?

Actually I don’t understand at all what you are trying to do here?
All this talk about 1 point I said (as an example mind you) of the bigger picture?

I’ld rather you replied about the big picture instead of nitpicking on a single example of a large post and then actually not even get the point of that example …

Here’s how i’d fix P/P.

• Make 2 into a leap back finisher that deals little to moderate damage.
• Give the vulnerability to unload. Make each shot apply one stack.
• Improve the firing rate of vital shot and change the bleed duration so it remains stable at 5 to 6 stacks.

This makes P/P better at both condition and direct damage. Because cripple and weakness not only help you kite but also help cover those bleeds so it won’t be removed so easily. The damage from unload will scale during the animation wich might lead people to think that spamming will be better, but if the vulnerability duration is short then the stack will last for only one or two activations making people worry more about getting all the shots than just spamming it.

Here’s just one combo you could with this set. Black Powder>Body Shot>Sneak Attack>Unload.

Vyxion.6358:

Other classes don’t pay that much to remove immobilize while not being punished by it as much as us to begin with, THATS THE POINT I MADE.

Actually I don’t understand at all what you are trying to do here?

I dont even understand why u dont use ur class mechanics to stay alive (evasive attacks or teleportations) , while other classes have to invest utilities spots or traits to migrade some attacks while imobilized ?

GuilguiS.2738:

Here’s how i’d fix P/P.

• Make 2 into a leap back finisher that deals little to moderate damage.
• Give the vulnerability to unload. Make each shot apply one stack.
• Improve the firing rate of vital shot and change the bleed duration so it remains stable at 5 to 6 stacks.

This makes P/P better at both condition and direct damage. Because cripple and weakness not only help you kite but also help cover those bleeds so it won’t be removed so easily. The damage from unload will scale during the animation wich might lead people to think that spamming will be better, but if the vulnerability duration is short then the stack will last for only one or two activations making people worry more about getting all the shots than just spamming it.

Here’s just one combo you could with this set. Black Powder>Body Shot>Sneak Attack>Unload.

A leap on pistol mainhand would probably be too strong since P/D has a distancegainer too on P/D3. My vote would go to it being a blast finisher type of spell but then it can’t be shooting ranged at the target cuz it would break the P5>P2 stealth entry combo then. Since P/P also lacks an evasiontype spell maybe have Pistol2 be something like:

Pistol#2: Tracer Bullet (X Initiative)
Fires the pistol to the ground with an explosive tracer bullet while jumping straight up, evading enemy attacks for x/x second in the guise of the light emitted by the bullet shot. Tracer bullet burns up to 5 targets in X aoe range for Y seconds.
- X dmg
- X second evasion (probably like half a second? maybe a quarter?)
- Blast Finisher
- X second burn : (x dmg)

I just though of this and it would solve so many problems the pistol mainhand has.
It would add another condition to the condition thief portfolio, it would add synergy with P/X sets, it would give defense to P/X sets without giving something double.

ps. I like your idea on unload, it should do more than only straight up dps mediocrely. Either up the dmg or give it something extra, yeah.

edit: went off and created suggestion topic for my pistol idea
Support if you like it! https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Thief-Pistol-Mainhand-2-rework-suggestion/first#post2099800

Whats up with the thief crying.. P/P iS kitten but so are many sets for all classes.
Should i make a topic about how anet is biased and wont make staff ele part of team comps or you would laugh at me cause ele sees big tourney play.
Point is that yesterday there were many thieves participating and zero warriors.
So..Wait for your turn!Besides devs said that every class regardless will get a lot of love next patches !!

ryston.7640:

face palms

k he mentioned warrior so he could get bumps from all the people who play warrior. He plays thief.

Are you satisfied; all knowing and humble god?

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

Issues.5789:

Lighter.5631:

No, leave us alone. Not like you didn’t get your attention back then. Warriors have been the worst class in PVP and the most ignored for a long time now. Just leave us alone

The world doesn’t revolve around you; this is not a personal attack on your home. Please read the opening post before you start to sob on the forums.

i can totally say the same to you tbh, please read my post before you start to cry about anything

Lol did you even read the opening post? Read your first reply; and read my first message. Let me know if a light bulb clicks and you see a correlation to anything.

Please get yours clicks 1st then talk to me.

+1 for a great response; thanks for your contribution

Says the guy who responded to my comment respond with so much constructive ideas. No, thank you.

Siva Mira.3546:

MY GOD, how come people managed to turn a Q/A thread into a WAR ZONE?
Please follows the Guidelines and Respects the others OR at least pretends you ARE.

If you wish ,you can start your own thread and battle it out there. Otherwise please leave this alone when you don’t have an answer or even try to answer it.

As for the question, if someone didn’t get it then I will repeat the question and answer it with my honest opinion.

Q: Why are Thief’s threads being ignored while Warrior’s threads being sweet-hearted with?

A: I think Jon Peters is busy trying to make his warrior works out and is likely that Thiefs will get nothing in the upcoming patch beside a few tooltips fixed.

That’s exactly what i mean’t and see what OP said?

“The world doesn’t revolve around you; this is not a personal attack on your home. Please read the opening post before you start to sob on the forums.”

While he shamelessly cry for attention they had for a long time, because the worst and ignored class are getting more attention then their decent/good class for a few days. Oh the irony

The assassin/dps class that makes casuals uninstall gets nerfed. It will remain objectively weaker than the good guy/paladin class for the rest of the life of (insert MMO).

Sorry.

Hot dogs! Popcorn! Get’cher hot dogs here!

Backscratcher! BackScratchers!

If that’s your biggest qualm with the game…
Anet did a great job.