Guild Wars 2

My block list is getting pretty hefty. Pretty much as soon as somebody starts getting mouthy or aggressive I block that person. Unfortunately in solo queue I usually end up on their team for the next match. So if by chance they happen to have something constructive to say I have the choice of losing that information or unblocking them.

90% of the time it just ends up with more abusive text in chat.

Please can we not be matched up on the same team with players we’ve blocked. Having to play alongside and potentially communicate with these abusive players in matches makes the blocking completely pointless.

This would be awesome. Now I can block the PvE achievement hunters/hot join heroes.

Also I can block anyone better than me so I won’t have to face them again!

Do you see any problems with your suggestion yet?

I wager you would be someone I would block

No as I said, only prevent matching up on the same team, not the opposite team. So you’d only be blocking people you don’t want on the same team as you.

So you could have the opposite effect (blocking everybody you deem ‘unworthy’ of being on your own team) but I’d still prefer that then having people swear their heads of and omfgnewb every 10 seconds.

Narkodx.1472:

This would be awesome. Now I can block the PvE achievement hunters/hot join heroes.

Also I can block anyone better than me so I won’t have to face them again!

Do you see any problems with your suggestion yet?

You have valid points, however your last comment (not quoted) was unnecessary.

Yeah I didn’t want to draw attention to that line, it was precisely the kind of attitude that prompted this post.

GOSU.9574:

Narkodx.1472:

This would be awesome. Now I can block the PvE achievement hunters/hot join heroes.

Also I can block anyone better than me so I won’t have to face them again!

Do you see any problems with your suggestion yet?

You have valid points, however your last comment (not quoted) was unnecessary.

Playing Solo Q will leave you a bit salty sometimes lol

Either way it is a bit of a ridiculous thing to ask. There are like 100 people who PvP regularly. The fact that he acknowledges he gets matched up with the same people again should tell you not enough people play PvP for us to be able to “block” people we dont want to play with.

Population too small. Too easy to exploit.

OK point taken – I can’t come up with a way to counter abusing my suggestion! @D

Agreed. I would love to see this…but I could see how this could complicate the queue system.

I can only suppose that’s what team queue is for at the end of the day – being on teams with people you want to be on a team with.

lol, block all noobs and leave only top players. OP so smart

Ha maybe I’m just being soft but making suggestions here is like being poked with a blunt spoon.

Hi,

cassius.5809:

OK point taken – I can’t come up with a way to counter abusing my suggestion! @D

I like your suggestion, actually. This is a game, what’s the point of not enjoying it by playing with people you have a problem with – be they rude, or of a different level than you are, or whatever? Also, what abuse could there be, when one’s free to decide to play based on subjective reasons? Forcing bad matchups because the population is too small is IMHO a poor reason – one should rather address the primary cause(s) of the population being too small in the first place…

In the meanwhile, do not hesitate to block, and possibly report rude players. Rude behaviors are bad for the community, in that they degrade persons, remove focus from the game (significantly lowering the overall quality), deter players from participating (diminishing the total population), and induce neutral players into being rude themselves – worsening the whole situation in a basic feedback loop.

Loosing one’s cool is not an indication of fine play anyway, so you’re very unlikely to miss anything. Also, I am not sure that blocking people prevents you from seeing indications on the minimap (alarms, drawn signs or numbers, and so forth) – although there are tons of players abusing this, too.

Regards.

Perhaps a compromise would please all sides in this debate? (except, of course, for ANet, who would have more work to do implementing “new content”)

Create a PvP “veto list” that can hold up to 1-5 (up to further discussion) players so it is not subject to excessive manipulation/abuse. Additional stipulations may have to apply, though.

If the matchmaker assigns you and someone you have vetoed into the same match, it will be you, not them, who is replaced from the roster.

If, after 5-10 minutes, the matchmaker cannot create a match without including both of you, then it will temporarily ignore the veto.

Before someone brings up switching the two so you’re on opposite teams, it would completely defeat the purpose as it could be used as a “veto or play against” measure simply to ensure a player under your standards will not play against you.

Hi,

DaveGan.8065:

Create a PvP “veto list” that can hold up to 1-5 (up to further discussion) players so it is not subject to excessive manipulation/abuse. Additional stipulations may have to apply, though.

Why not use the standard blocking list? When I block someone, this is for a definitely good reason, and I’d rather not play at all than play with someone on that list (or against such a person, as you have judiciously pointed out).

DaveGan.8065:

If the matchmaker assigns you and someone you have vetoed into the same match, it will be you, not them, who is replaced from the roster.

Well, that makes sense – since I’m the one blocking, it’s fair game that I’m the one excluded from the team comp. I however suspect that better algorithms can be found (for instance if a player has been blacklisted by four others, then it’s more efficient to exclude that person rather than the other four).

DaveGan.8065:

If, after 5-10 minutes, the matchmaker cannot create a match without including both of you, then it will temporarily ignore the veto.

I’m a polite person, so would rather endure 10-15 minutes of insults or bad play rather than abandoning my team (although I’d probably disable chat channels, as recently recommended to me by fellow posters). Others would maybe not be that understanding, and not mind making an AFK or a 4v5, out of frustration. Why, some already do it for that very reason, forcefully sharing their bad experience with up to 9 other players.

Honestly, I’m just arguing for the sake of it. I’ve given up soloQ, despite some fun moments, precisely because of the toxic attitude displayed by people there. Trading pain is a bad deal. If anything could protect me from it though, such as the OP’s proposal, then I’d get back to it with pleasure.

Regards.

I would love to block certain rude players so I didn’t have to deal with them rageing

Elegie.3620:

Why not use the standard blocking list? When I block someone, this is for a definitely good reason, and I’d rather not play at all than play with someone on that list (or against such a person, as you have judiciously pointed out).

Because while you use it for “a definitely good reason”, many others will use it for less pure ones. This might be a bit harsh (although I won’t apologize for it), but if you are blocking that many people with the desire to never see them again (rather than temporarily seek relief from them) then the problem may not lie entirely with those players.

If we just used the standard block list, what would stop me or anyone else from blocking every inexperienced or bad player I encountered to ensure I only get paired with decent ones?

EDIT: If you want this taken to extremes, guilds or groups of friends could distribute a do-not-include list of all inexperienced or bad players so that entire groups would have them on block. There are undoubtedly plenty of “hardcore” players who would be more than happy to have the power to exclude as many “casuals” as they could block.

Anton.1769:

lol, block all noobs and leave only top players. OP so smart

This may be why we’ll never see this feature. If blocking someone affected whether you ran into someone again in an sPvP match, people would definitely abuse this.

/blocks all decap engis and MM necros

DaveGan.8065:

Because while you use it for “a definitely good reason”, many others will use it for less pure ones. This might be a bit harsh (although I won’t apologize for it), but if you are blocking that many people with the desire to never see them again (rather than temporarily seek relief from them) then the problem may not lie entirely with those players.

My policy is to block any player uttering insults to any player, and not only myself. When I mean insult, I certainly don’t mean the usual “noob” or “l2p”, but way harsher things. I play up to 20 hotjoin games per day, hence my possibly long list of blocked players.

You’re entitled to think I block wrongly – but I’d like to kindly remind you that blocking policies are personal, and that my blocking someone will not make you happy or unhappy, only myself. If I feel pain at reading insults, then it’s my right to block the originators of this pain. Do you really contest that?

DaveGan.8065:

If we just used the standard block list, what would stop me or anyone else from blocking every inexperienced or bad player I encountered to ensure I only get paired with decent ones?

That’s the very point: why would you not do it, and rather spend 10-15 minutes of not having fun? I actually have no problem with a player blocking another one because of his perceived level (¹). Players should definitely be accountable for their own blocking policy.

Regards.

¹ Naturally, one always starts as a beginner before going stronger, so I do not think that such a policy would be viable. People doing so would probably have to reconsider the list after a while, possibly adjusting the underlying policy after truly understanding the matter.

Maybe just not put u in a match with these people for 24 hours then your block list gets reset. To be honest I only come across the same 10 players or so day after day. It’s more my original issue where u repeatedly get put into matches with people who were kittens not 15-30 mins before.

Elegie.3620:

My policy is to block any player uttering insults to any player, and not only myself. When I mean insult, I certainly don’t mean the usual “noob” or “l2p”, but way harsher things. I play up to 20 hotjoin games per day, hence my possibly long list of blocked players.

You’re entitled to think I block wrongly – but I’d like to kindly remind you that blocking policies are personal, and that my blocking someone will not make you happy or unhappy, only myself. If I feel pain at reading insults, then it’s my right to block the originators of this pain. Do you really contest that?

DaveGan.8065:

If we just used the standard block list, what would stop me or anyone else from blocking every inexperienced or bad player I encountered to ensure I only get paired with decent ones?

That’s the very point: why would you not do it, and rather spend 10-15 minutes of not having fun? I actually have no problem with a player blocking another one because of his perceived level (¹). Players should definitely be accountable for their own blocking policy.

Well, at least you’ve shown consistency in your view that all of those things would be acceptable. My main issue would be people who felt entitled to block “trolls” but then cried outrage at others’ ability to utilize the same rules to their own advantage. Since you don’t exhibit this hypocrisy, my posts apply not to you but to those who do/would.

At the same time, I don’t feel you “block wrongly”, but I have not yet gone ahead and equated (interchanged) blocking someone from chat and blocking someone from your matches. I do still see a meaningful distinction there.

This said, if such a rule really became reality I would like the ability to automatically block any player with an active block/veto list over 20-50. I have no interest in playing with someone who might perceive kneejerk levels of offense and proceed to cut off communication at best, and spite the entire team at worst.

DaveGan.8065:

This said, if such a rule really became reality I would like the ability to automatically block any player with an active block/veto list over 20-50. I have no interest in playing with someone who might perceive kneejerk levels of offense and proceed to cut off communication at best, and spite the entire team at worst.

Fair enough. As I’ve said, blocking policies are personal, and yours looks reasonable to me, provided you do not underestimate the number of people each player tends to block on average.

Anyway, I’d like to state, for the record, that I find it disappointing that people rage and insult one another over trivial matters in a mere game, while there are so many opportunities to have fun together and meet nice people. That I have to increasingly dismiss inter-players communication in a such a game is definitely not something I enjoy doing.

Regards.