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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

We had a Yes/No Vote a while back.

A Yes vote meant we would queue up with 1 class and stay with that class up until the match is completed. We cannot swap before the match starts.

  • Pros – MMR would be a bit more accurate, yielding better matchmaking. Anet said they’d have more flexibility to alter Matchmaking in terms of class stacking and how MMR is formed on a team. Anet stated we can have a Class Specific Leaderboard
  • Cons – There’s a chance that you could get a bad comp vs a good comp without able to swap at start of match.

A No vote meant we would queue up with 1 class but able to swap that class before the match starts. MMR is based off of our rating vs their team rating as oppose to class specific rating.

  • Pros – We can swap classes before a match starts.
  • Cons – Players may not want to swap at all, regardless of team comp. Anet can do very little in terms of changing the Matchmaking layout for future fixes.

At the time Voters were a little uneducated in what a Yes and No vote yielded. Some said they wanted a revote because they didn’t know the difference between the two votes.

I propose that the polling comes back to stay up between the season for a revote. Reason: Improper forum education between the two votes at the time of submission.

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Posted by: Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318

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How many people were uneducated about what this entails? Not everybody who posts at the forum votes nessisarily. players ingame are given a link when they start a game to polls as well.

U could argue the same was the case for the yes or no to team solo que only option.

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

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woudl be good but don´t know what will happen. Most still won´t know what it means.

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Posted by: Kako.1930

Kako.1930

I think instead of a poll they should just roll out a huge patch to fix everything all at once:

• link each account to a phone number or require rank 80+ to play in the ranked season to prevent smurfing.
• separate leaderboards with solo ONLY in one and team only in the other.
• profession locking with removal of class stacking all at once.

And if they could add new game modes as well then that would be great lol. Idk, going through the trouble of polling people about one tiny fix that could potentially lead to bigger fixes in the distant future just seems like a waste. They should just get it over with or admit that the game mode is as good as done for.

In B4: the PvP population isn’t big enough to support these changes.

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Posted by: BikeIsGone.8675

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While I agree, that there was certainly confusion regarding the poll options …all in all I am happy that it turned out the way it has. And yes: I voted “No”.

A No vote meant we would queue up with 1 class but able to swap that class before the match starts. MMR is based off of our rating vs their team rating as oppose to class specific rating.

  • Pros – We can swap classes before a match starts.
  • Cons – Players may not want to swap at all, regardless of team comp. Anet can do very little in terms of changing the Matchmaking layout for future fixes.

The main problem with that “No -Con”-argument is, that it can just as easily be a “Yes – Con” too. Creating a matchup based on classes alone doesn’t automatically mean that it is ‘fair’ when people can run all kinds of different builds with different roles.

The fairest matchup possible would obviously be a mirror-setup, where both sides respectively run the same classes AND builds!
Now how ‘fair’ would you rate a setup, where both teams have one ranger each for instance…only that one is running the meta druid build and the other one plays core condi ranger?

While this might not be much of an issue in plat or higher divisions, where basically pretty much everyone runs the meta builds (or at least some very similar variations), such a system would completely destroy balance in the lower ranks, where random builds are FAR more common.

In all honesty, I think Anet might just want to use the WoW concept. There you get asked what ROLE you play, before you are able to Q. Obviously they would have to adjust that concept to fit for the conquest gamemode, where it’s not just XvsX deathmatch.

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Posted by: Vicariuz.1605

Vicariuz.1605

The con for the No vote is subjective, the rest is objective. People not being educated enough to swap or being stubborn, isn’t a con for the no vote. It’s a lack of game knowledge on the players part. When they strictly prohibit class stacking, impose roles, and balance those roles, then we can have a yes vote.

I was VERY vocal about the consequences of both actions when the poll was up, and what I warned about, population, balance, etc ended up being true. You cannot subject every one to a broken system and then grade people on their performance accurately. It will never happen, 1 because people are allowed to abuse the current systems in place, along with abusing uncontrollable things (queue dodging/alting/alt dodging at 4 and 5 am during the week). Especially when that type of behavior is encouraged. It’s an illusion of activity. Just like the current US government administration, Anet ONLY cares about the optics, of pvp. It’s time to accept that the developers themselves consider this a side game, BARELY even a game mode. They will just never admit the real problems because it makes them look bad, and PR is way more important than game balance and apparently quality.

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Posted by: Nightshade.2570

Nightshade.2570

Do not do any further polls unless you are going to:

A. Word them clearly without anyd oubt in peoples minds.
B. Explain the ramifications of each vote clearly for people in the poll not in a thread seperately.
C. Put up a notification for the people in the mists with a link to vote.
D. Send a letter to people after they complete a pvp match inviting them to vote in the poll.
E. Hire me to help manage this for you Okay Just Kidding thats pretty cheeky.

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Posted by: Crinn.7864

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A Yes vote meant we would queue up with 1 class and stay with that class up until the match is completed. We cannot swap before the match starts.

  • Pros – MMR would be a bit more accurate, yielding better matchmaking. Anet said they’d have more flexibility to alter Matchmaking in terms of class stacking and how MMR is formed on a team. Anet stated we can have a Class Specific Leaderboard
  • Cons – There’s a chance that you could get a bad comp vs a good comp without able to swap at start of match.

And you’re saying the ‘no’ people where being ignorant.

They where not making MMR more accurate. They where not doing anything about class stacking, and they where not adding any kind of comp matching. And they never said anything about class specific leaderboards.

All they where going to do was take the existing matchmaker and enable the class mmr in the algorithm (the current algorithm already includes class specific mmr, it’s just disabled.) The reason for doing this was to make playing alts easier.

And by “Chance of having a bad com”, you mean like half the time. Locked classes makes comp-centric class like necromancer literally unplayable. But hey you’re a guardian which works on every comp so you don’t care.

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